Feel depressed about the future

[Hobnob39]

The election results have made me feel really bluuuuerrgh.
I HATED the divisiveness of indyref1, I don't want another referendum. I want our government to do a better day job, but independence is going to be the focus until it happens now isn't it? I don't want independence for the same reasons I didn't want Brexit - I feel we shouldn't be dividing ourselves off into ever smaller parochial wee groups who all think we are somehow better than everyone else. It's enough to make me want to move... my DH is English and he wants to, but I have resisted, but it's getting harder to explain why. The only problem I have though is that I see the results in England and feel they as bad - I don't understand why people who are shafted by the Tory party are the ones voting for them! I just do know where I belong now. It feels to me that Scotland is stuck with SNP and England stuck with Tory, and I'm adrift as I don't feel either represent me. Anyone else?

@Hobnob39

The toddler analogy is spot on *@Bytheloch*

Hobnob I came on to try and make you feel better as I hate to think of anyone feeling depressed due to the government of the country they live in. I hope the feeling goes as I know how I felt in the aftermath of '14.

Similarly depressed by it all. Another bloody referendum which I think will be close but not quite enough to get over the line and then we will back it n the circle until they finally get it but by that time the country will be destroyed due to the constant uncertainty.

I just don't see the logic in it.

It's a 1 way street to Independence.

If yes voters can keep changing the rules ergo referendums until 'yes' wins. Then they'll shut the door, presumably, so that the 'no' supporters are not afforded the same chance to reverse the vote.

I'm also totally depressed. Indyref1 was depressing and divisive and I felt unwelcome in my own country. Between that, Brexit and COVID it's been a really shit 8 years, and no end in sight.

I'm with the rest of you. My mental health took a battering in the last Independence Referendum, that "once in a generation" one in 2014.

I have an English DH, two children born in England and the oldest one still has an English twang in his accent despite moving back up here when he was 5. Last time DH was told to go back where he came from, I was told I wasn't properly Scottish anyway, the bile and ill-feeling were just awful.

And now it's started all over again. Like the OP, we have discussed moving jokingly in the past and are now more serious about it. We are already being hammered for extra tax in Scotland compared with in England. Really all that's stopping us is our life stage with children at school/Uni in Glasgow.

As for the "could Scotland survive" - of course it could survive. But all the figures indicate that in an independent Scotland there would be a LOT less money sloshing about government, and that's before the UK ask them to take their share of the debt caused by Covid. So the Scottish people would have to get used to huge slashes in spending.

@StarryEyeSurprise - I don't know how to quote but from posts, but in answer to you question about the 'undoing' I mentioned - I didn't mean Scottish Indy would be the undoing of them, I mean that I find it depressing that places like Hartlepool are voting Tory when they are the very places that are screwed over by them. The fact that England seems to be stuck in this place where even places once v Labour are voting Tory does make me see why some Scottish people are keen to break away, but at the same time, I lived in England for a lot of my early adulthood and the people I know and love there are no different to the ones I know and love here, so why would I want to break away from them?
The emotional side apart, this neverendum situation is draining. If we do have another referendum soon, and somehow SNP win, will that finally settle it?? Or will we have another 5 years of blaming Westminster for our many of own failings and have another one and another one until people like me (and I see others here) decide to just vote for independence to just get it over with. This constant unsettled state is horrible. My DH doesn't want to live somewhere he feels he's not welcome which is how he felt during the last referendum & I can't say I blame him.

I'm not so sure that indyref2 will happen as quickly as people think. I wonder if they will kick the can down the road a bit to allow time for younger voters to come up. NS will know that a vote now would quite possibly fail so hopefully the SG will concentrate on recovery first and referendum at a later date.

That should have said DONT win!

I feel exactly the same as you OP. I hate how divisive it feels. I actually wish they would get on with it though as it feels inevitable. I worry about the economic impact of it hanging over us.

I feel exactly the same way too 😟

It makes me mad that post Covid there is so much to sort but SNP are hell bent on another referendum! It’s wrong they had their chance it makes my blood boil...plus giving school kids and foreign nationals the vote is wrong all wrong. Sturgeon focussed on independence yesterday it’s all she cares about makes me so sad and so angry...we’d be walking off a cliff if it’s happens

I just want to know the financial position. If someone shows me it can work to our collective benefit then great.

Given that they haven't, I assume it won't. I wonder how the snp and greens will compromise on oil. Plus Covid restrictions have fucked the tourism industry.

Away to cry in a corner

I wholeheartedly agree @Hobnob39.

Very depressing all round.

Devolution should mean better governance than the Tories. But all we get is constitutional pish.

The truth is they don’t have a majority in favour of independence. I think people voted for NS with no desire for Indy but because the feel (bizarrely in my view) pleased with her handling Covid.

On any view, the margins are far too narrow to make it a good course of action. And once they are forced to lay out the actual economics people won’t be keen.

@titsintiers yes the finances.. I’m not sure there is any plan. It’s disingenuous though when NS claims she hasn’t studied the published reports into it, with their predictions of austerity for many years.

I think people voted for NS with no desire for Indy but because the feel (bizarrely in my view) pleased with her handling Covid

I think this is right, a few people mentioned this to me yesterday. It makes absolutely no sense to me but hey ho

The way I see it England keeps going down a darker and darker path that I just want to get away from. Maybe there will be a turbulent few years but isn’t that worth it to create a better country and society for our kids? I hate the tories, honestly they don’t give a fuck about anyone outside their own. They have no idea what life is like for real people. They think of Scotland as some quaint savage land that they can go shooting in a few times a year. I don’t want to be governed by people like that, getting away from that poison can ONLY be a good thing.

Nicola sturgeon is a strong leader and I trust her.

I don’t want to be governed by Tories or Nats.

All equally bad.

I don’t want to be governed by Tories or Nats.

I'm a natural Labour voter so I very much hope to be able to vote for Labour in an independent Scotland. I also hope that Conservative voters can vote for their party too and we have a democratic parliament which reflects the beliefs of Scottish people and acts on them accordingly.

Until and unless that happens, I'm voting SNP.

@LizzieMacQueen

Does anyone remember, in Indyref1, what financial info was put forward as evidence we could survive financially being separate from rUK?

It relied on oil revenue, which seemed fine at the time but not looking so promising now - and even that relied on Scotland getting the oil fields in the divorce.

It relied on oil revenue, which seemed fine at the time but not looking so promising now - and even that relied on Scotland getting the oil fields in the divorce.

No, that was never what the future plan relied on, unless you were only reading the unionist press?

Why would Scotland not get the oil fields in the divorce? Were we going to trade our waters for the Isle of Wight?

What was commented on was the fact that the oil revenue raised in Scottish waters would have made Scotland a very wealthy small country had it not been used by Westminster. Scotland didn't benefit from being an oil-rich country one penny more than other other countries of the UK who didn't have oil, actually it probably got less than England did.

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

It relied on oil revenue, which seemed fine at the time but not looking so promising now - and even that relied on Scotland getting the oil fields in the divorce.

No, that was never what the future plan relied on, unless you were only reading the unionist press?

Why would Scotland not get the oil fields in the divorce? Were we going to trade our waters for the Isle of Wight?

Ok, I'm listening, what untapped financial resource will finance the separation?

I say this as someone who was cautiously in favour of independence at the time of the 2014 referendum - I still believe independence is the way forward in the long term, but doing it right now IMO is an act of financial self immolation.

Shetland benefitted very well from the oil and I believe it was under the Zetland Act which allowed them to do so. Quite a remarkable piece of legislation at the time for them to pull off at that time. So a part of Scotland did benefit from the oil.

I read an article that should the SNP win a referendum, Shetland would campaign for their own referendum to become a UK Crown dependency (and keep the oil revenues).

There was a panel based poll yesterday interviewing 68 pc of young who voted for snp and independence. When asked if they were prepared to be £1000 p a. worse off when independent the support fell to 38 pc .

Nichola on Andrew Marr and had to admit we’d keep the pound for possibly several years and there would be challenges . ( for that read austerity on steroids )

I suspect before next referendum they will have to drill down into detail which they didn’t last time and it will scare most people away . Uk is a fabulous country which is why so many people want to live here .

Tories did a good job on vaccine roll out and Rishi is a star for which many in Scotland should praise instead of the endless whingeing. Whiners should try a stint in Russia or China and see what happens when you shout too loud . Or try a stint in some African countries I’ve lived in - electricity and running water to mention just a few things that we take for granted being on 24/7 in our incredibly privileged life . And as for corrupt governments- well ........we just don’t know how lucky we are .

Just remember when last labour government left power they left no money in till .