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Thirty years wasted

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backyourself · Today 07:42

So, had thought DP was acting oddly, nothing I could put my finger on. We’d booked to get married which he didn’t seem in the least excited about, which after 30 years together, we needed to do for inheritance purposes. I couldn’t shake the feeling, kept asking him, he said he was either tired, busy with work etc etc.
i go down to the kitchen on Friday morning and there’s his phone - so I checked it. He’d been messaging a woman over 30 years younger than him who works in his building. She’d initiated the contact, but he must have given her his number. She sent him a mirror selfie to which he replies ‘Beautiful, thank you!’ - they’ve met a couple of times in her office, with him responding ‘can’t wait for the next catch up’. I’ve told him it’s over between us but he says he’ll do anything to make it better, he doesn’t know what he was thinking, he didn’t know how to respond to her! I just feel so disrespected and disgusted, I can’t believe he’s done it. I feel like I don’t even know who he is, he’s in his 60’s FFS. The weirdest thing is, I feel validated, like I’ve trusted my gut and was right. It’s like the niggling doubts that I’ve had over the years but never taken further, I was probably right every time. I think I should feel devastated but I just don’t, is this shock?

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ThePerfectStormBird · Today 10:30

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 09:55

i think this all hinges on whether you want to date anyone else?

Nonsense. You do known it's possible for a woman to survive without a man, yes? We can own property and vote now, we don't need to limit our options to 'sticking with this man' and 'trying to find another man'.

You’ve misunderstood. Some people are winding down in their sixties. The garden becomes a priority, sex no longer holds the same interest. Other people are living it up, lots of holidays and meeting new people. I have no idea what sort of person OP is. If she is the winding down type she might not want to start again and starting again could take the form of dating, new home, new people, new job. Or she might be the kind of person that relishes that. This could be a second bite of life and with money behind her it could be amazing!

That’s what would drive my decision making. Do I want start again or do I want to forgive this old fool and tether us together protecting my kids inheritance. Personally I’d do the latter as I’m not interested in starting again but I know I might be in the minority with that mindset.

Cailin66 · Today 10:31

Gettingbysomehow · Today 09:45

Men are twats especially older ones. They get in a state about getting old.
They do stupid things.
I wouldnt break up a 30 year relationship over something that never happened.
You are expecting them to feel and think like a woman does and they don't.
A bit of flattery like this would have given him the validation his flagging ego needs.
Have a think about it.
Do what is best for you and dont rush into anything. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Id find it hard to get another job at my age quite honestly. Im 64.

This best sums up my views too.

You’ve had a shock, don’t do anything hasty, he clearly has been a good husband, father and grandfather. Don’t forget that, that’s worth do much more then him being stupid over a much younger women flattering his ego. He’s made a mistake, he knows it, work on that. Somewhere in his head he knows he’s being a fool. Take your time to process the shock before making any life changing decisions over an old age fools mistake.

Eristealviper · Today 10:31

Bountyhunter888 · Today 08:51

You dont end a relationship after 30 years because of this, you need to find out what happened, i very much doubt she wants an affair with him if hes 30 years older! Are you sure this women exists and hes not being scammed

that’s the point tho…. it was only a relationship , not legally married.

Really feeling for you OP, cyber hugs.

IwanttoWFH · Today 10:32

OneStarAwake · Today 09:27

We’d booked to get married which he didn’t seem in the least excited about, which after 30 years together, we needed to do for inheritance purposes

and

He’s always said he’s more bothered about getting divorced rather than getting married

Would set alarm bells clanging for me. You are right to be v suspicious of this.

This. Putting the messages to one side, why is he so reluctant to get married? Do the dates on the messages pre or post date him getting cold feet about the wedding?

You say you have children and grandchildren together, you have more assets than he does and have a happy life together. So, why doesn’t he want to get married?

The comments about divorce are concerning.

I think this is what you need to unpick.

MarilynMerlot · Today 10:32

@backyourself never mind, I’ve just seen the bit about she works in the building but not with him. Glad it gave you back some control.

Minasama · Today 10:33

I just think you’ve gone straight from 0-60 here - he hasn’t actually done anything except respond to a few texts. He hasn’t met the woman, he hasn’t slept with her, he has actually put her off when she suggested meeting.

I understand you feeling upset but this seems like a catastrophising over-reaction.

I do hope you can both work through this - a lot also depends on his reaction.

augustuss · Today 10:34

Billy47 · Today 10:15

Something did happen. He engaged with it. Being in a relationship doesn't mean you are dead from the waist down. Im sure people I'm long relationships find people attractive. He engaged with it and encouraged it. He didn't shut it down. I had someone in my husbands friendship group try to flirt with me. I shut it down immediately. I told my husband and I didn't socialise with that man again. He was thanking her for he'd photos 🤢 instead of saying hes in a relationship and old enough to be her father.

Yes.

Op, I also wonder when you spoke to the woman - did she know he lives with a partner, or he only mentioned the not-married part?
Did she try and justify sending him selfies in some way?

Ohnobackagain · Today 10:34

@backyourself first of all give yourself time. You have had one hell of a shock.

You need to let the ‘fight or flight’ feelings subside before doing anything.

I have to say, I am erring towards what @ChiliFiend and @ItsPickleRick have said. Not excusing or reducing your ‘betrayal’ feelings but he really does sound like the ‘no idea what to do with this or how to handle it’ camp, wasn’t looking for anything and it might be worth asking him what he thought would happen if things had got more complicated and she tried to take it further. I will also say I’m a similar age and situation to you. A couple of weeks ago my DP did something that caused a whole raft of these feelings in me and I almost blew the whole ship out of the water (family stuff). I would give it some time while you think. During that time, I would urge trying not to get into a stand-off as that won’t help either. Just be gentle with yourself.

Holidaymodeon · Today 10:35

You don’t need to ‘shatter their lives’ ! Billions of couples split in later life, just make up some cliche about being ready for a new chapter or some such, let him deal with his side of it. You can still sort everything legally just as you planned before, just in divorce instead of marriage

HardyFox · Today 10:36

I would put any marriage plans on the back burner for now but would definitely take steps to make sure 50% of what sound like considerable assets are in your name alone.
That way you wouldn't need to be married to safeguard your financial future and, if you did decide not to be with him in the future you can walk away far more easily than you would be able to if married.
I would also tell my children what has been going on, it's not your shame to have to keep secret and it would be good to ha ve them 'on side' if you do decide to split up in the future.
Sadly I think that once something is broken, even if it is mended, it can never be the same so your future will be different now. Whether this is acceptable is for you to decide in your own time.
So sorry you find yourself in this situation but knowledge is power.

5128gap · Today 10:38

You've long suspected your partner capable of this sort of thing, and now you've had it confirmed. Which is a positive as its good to know you haven't been imagining things.
Given the length of your relationship and your life stage, then you need to look at all your options and decide which is the best for you. Leave with all the upheaval that entails, stay, marry, and try to minimise it as a silly old fool one off (difficult given your long term suspicions) or stay and review your relationship.
The last is probably the pragmatic choice, at least in the medium term.
Stay put, wedding on hold, while adjusting to the confirmation that your partner is a weak man, who will put his ego and desire to be flattered ahead of his loyalty to you. That he has a serious flaw that means you can't trust him, either to respect your boundaries, or not do stupid things that could have him labelled a creep and land him in hot water.
Then balance this against his good points and what he offers to benefit your life. Decide if that's enough to compensate.
What I wouldn't do is believe his sorries and promises there will be no repeat. Because you suspect this isn't a one off but a bit of a habit, and habits don't break easily.

Oxymorons · Today 10:39

I think you are a badass OP. Assertive, confident, emotionally intelligent. This is difficult as normally I would be on team leave immediately. But I don't think I am. I think you are totally in shock, and reflecting back on a 30 year relationship that doesn't feel real to you anymore. That is a really horrible, awful feeling no one can understand unless it has happened to them.
Give yourself time. I would suggest relationship counselling for yourself. Hard to speak to friends, you need a proper outside perspective and get it all off your chest. He needs to do the same to understand how he could allow his boundaries to get so blurred.
I think there is hope for you two. I think he was very foolish, stupid, got validation and an ego boost. He needs to understand why and how. He can't afford to be emotionally stunted anymore with you
I wish you very good luck, I feel you would have a very good life whichever way you choose. But take your time OP.
I would ask to see his phone and go through social media watch and reel history and activities etc too. Look for onlyfans accounts etc etc. With him there.
Ask him for a complete, unvarnished explanation of his truth. Watch and listen♥️

Skybluecoat · Today 10:40

He wrote to her “can’t wait for our next catch up” and was calling her beautiful. That doesn’t sound like he’s been preyed upon or is any kind of reluctant party.

And now he’s all “poor me” according to OP? Why? Just because you know what a sleazy slimeball he really is?

CloveRinse · Today 10:42

Bountyhunter888 · Today 08:51

You dont end a relationship after 30 years because of this, you need to find out what happened, i very much doubt she wants an affair with him if hes 30 years older! Are you sure this women exists and hes not being scammed

@Bountyhunter888

Are you reading the same posts as the rest of us?

The woman exists - she works with the DH. Also the OP spoke to the woman.

Comprehension is really important.

ginasevern · Today 10:43

@backyourself Don't try to protect him OP. Your children are fully grown adults with kids of their own and they will handle it. Too many women make themselves the sacrificial lamb to protect their husband's good name and familial relationships. I also think some of the comments on here are decidedly ageist. People assume you should just get on with it at your age and "settle". You should be gardening and visiting National Trust properties, not worrying your silly little head about your lecherous, lying partner. Take time to think this through and work out your finances. The last thing you want to be doing is marrying him and you don't want to find him lusting again over women his daughter's age ten years down the line.

MrMurphysComeuppance · Today 10:44

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CloveRinse · Today 10:45

moderate · Today 09:45

AIBU to think thirty happy years should count for something after a stupid flirtation?

Man here, in my sixties. DP and I have been together for thirty years, with children and grandchildren. Until this week I would have described us as happy. We enjoy each other’s company, go away together, do things as a couple and look after one another. I love her and had never imagined a future without her.
I’ve done something stupid, and I’m not asking anyone to tell me it was fine.

A much younger woman who works in my building started messaging me. I enjoyed the attention and let it become flirtatious. She sent me a selfie and I replied “Beautiful, thank you!” We’ve chatted in her office a couple of times and I said I was looking forward to the next catch-up.

Nothing physical happened. She suggested lunch and dinner and I avoided taking those suggestions up. I wasn’t trying to leave my partner or start another relationship. It was a bit of flattery that I indulged when I should have put a stop to it.

DP found the messages on my phone. She also spoke to the woman, and she believes us both that nothing sexual happened.

I handled being confronted badly. I tried to describe the meetings as business-related, which understandably looked ridiculous alongside the messages. I also said I hadn’t known how to respond. The more honest answer is that I liked being flattered and didn’t want to shut it down. I’m embarrassed by that.

I expected her to be furious. I expected to have to apologise, answer difficult questions and work to regain her trust. I’ve told her I’ll do whatever it takes.

What I didn’t expect was for her to say our relationship was over, start looking at houses and question whether she has ever really known me.

That’s the part I’m struggling with. She seems to be looking back at our whole life together and wondering whether every loving thing I’ve done was some kind of act. I tell her I love her because I do. I enjoy spending time with her because she’s the person I want to be with. Those things haven’t suddenly become false because I behaved badly.

We had booked to get married, partly to make things simpler when one of us dies. She feels I haven’t seemed enthusiastic enough. I can see how that looks now, but I’ve thought of us as spending our lives together for decades. I haven’t been keeping my options open.

I know she’s entitled to decide this crosses a line for her. But I’m finding her reaction devastating. She says she doesn’t feel heartbroken so much as that her feelings have gone. Meanwhile I’m terrified of losing her.

And, rightly or wrongly, it has made me wonder whether she loved me in the way I thought she did. I thought we had something strong enough to survive a mistake, including one that was entirely my fault. Hearing that she can contemplate ending it so quickly makes me feel as though our thirty years mean much less to her than they do to me.

I haven’t said that to her because I realise it could sound like I’m making my behaviour her fault. It isn’t. But it is how I’m feeling.

AIBU to think an inappropriate but limited flirtation is something a happy relationship of thirty years could recover from? I accept that I’ve damaged what we had. I’m struggling to accept that it means what we had was never real.

What did I just read?

She should leave you. No personal accountability whatsoever. Only self pity and justifications.

Horrible behaviour.

CloveRinse · Today 10:45

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Wrong thread I think!

SylvanMoon · Today 10:46

I can completely understand how you are feeling torn by all this and I too would be. But I think that even if stuff like this had happened previously and you didn't know about it, it doesn't really negate all the positive experiences you have had with this man. And since you're saying that he appears to be contrite about having been caught out, I would be as a first step exploring marriage counselling before jumping to LTB and also before going down the marriage route too.

NetZeroZealot · Today 10:46

HardyFox · Today 10:36

I would put any marriage plans on the back burner for now but would definitely take steps to make sure 50% of what sound like considerable assets are in your name alone.
That way you wouldn't need to be married to safeguard your financial future and, if you did decide not to be with him in the future you can walk away far more easily than you would be able to if married.
I would also tell my children what has been going on, it's not your shame to have to keep secret and it would be good to ha ve them 'on side' if you do decide to split up in the future.
Sadly I think that once something is broken, even if it is mended, it can never be the same so your future will be different now. Whether this is acceptable is for you to decide in your own time.
So sorry you find yourself in this situation but knowledge is power.

It’s about inheritance tax not ownership of assets. If he dies, his house & pension would pass tax-free to his wife. But not if they are just partners.

OneHazelBird · Today 10:47

InLawTwats · Today 09:51

he is very old fashioned

If that’s the case where does having kids without marriage come in?

….. when it suits him.

I wonder if this is code for OP doing the majority of cooking, cleaning and parenting.

backyourself · Today 10:49

I know what you’re saying @HardyFoxbut I don’t want to tell the children - I keep saying that, they’re adults with their own families. He doesn’t deserve to be protected but I don’t want them to be hurt and horrified, I keep thinking how I’d feel if my Mum disclosed something like this about my Dad, it would have rocked my world, your Dad is your Dad, that be disgusted in him and hurt for me, no need to inflict that right now, I’m strong enough to cope until I decide what I want to do.
The marriage thing is a real strange one, he did propose early in our relationship, I wear a beautiful solitaire diamond engagement ring which he had made for me and a wedding band/eternity ring which again he bought for me as a gift, I had no idea about either.
Most people think we are already married and maybe there has always been something else to do, getting kids through uni, into good jobs, helping them to buy houses, grandchildren

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letmebetheone · Today 10:50

I would book yourself a holiday and leave him at home to stew. take time out for a couple of weeks for you to do something you love, step back and have some time to think.
Go non contact for that time and get the feel of living life for yourself.

I did that when I discovered that my 28 year marriage was based on a lot of deception, most of which I think I had seen but tried to justify.

I went on a cruise and at the end of the 2 weeks I found I was not looking forward to coming back and seeing him which told me all I needed to know.
I was 56 and felt that I had wasted so much of my life on this man. He was weak when I left and begged me to stay but I couldn't face another 30 possibly years resenting him and feeling betrayed.

Unlike you, I had to divorce, family could not believe it and it was a horrible period but I look back now and think I did the right thing.

Take some time out, think. then live for you.

Mapletree1985 · Today 10:50

You have spent your entire life with this man, shared the raising of children and grandchildren. In the end it's your choice, but I wouldn't chuck him for this. Men and women are both full of folly and the fear of aging and death. A bit of flirtation with a much younger colleague, to briefly recapture that feeling of being young again, can never compete with a whole life lived together, a home built together. What you have with him is rich in meaning. Whatever trivial thing he had with her is meaningless.

MrMurphysComeuppance · Today 10:52

CloveRinse · Today 10:45

Wrong thread I think!

Thanks, sorry OP. Ignore.

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