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Thirty years wasted

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backyourself · Today 07:42

So, had thought DP was acting oddly, nothing I could put my finger on. We’d booked to get married which he didn’t seem in the least excited about, which after 30 years together, we needed to do for inheritance purposes. I couldn’t shake the feeling, kept asking him, he said he was either tired, busy with work etc etc.
i go down to the kitchen on Friday morning and there’s his phone - so I checked it. He’d been messaging a woman over 30 years younger than him who works in his building. She’d initiated the contact, but he must have given her his number. She sent him a mirror selfie to which he replies ‘Beautiful, thank you!’ - they’ve met a couple of times in her office, with him responding ‘can’t wait for the next catch up’. I’ve told him it’s over between us but he says he’ll do anything to make it better, he doesn’t know what he was thinking, he didn’t know how to respond to her! I just feel so disrespected and disgusted, I can’t believe he’s done it. I feel like I don’t even know who he is, he’s in his 60’s FFS. The weirdest thing is, I feel validated, like I’ve trusted my gut and was right. It’s like the niggling doubts that I’ve had over the years but never taken further, I was probably right every time. I think I should feel devastated but I just don’t, is this shock?

OP posts:
moderate · Today 09:45

AIBU to think thirty happy years should count for something after a stupid flirtation?

Man here, in my sixties. DP and I have been together for thirty years, with children and grandchildren. Until this week I would have described us as happy. We enjoy each other’s company, go away together, do things as a couple and look after one another. I love her and had never imagined a future without her.
I’ve done something stupid, and I’m not asking anyone to tell me it was fine.

A much younger woman who works in my building started messaging me. I enjoyed the attention and let it become flirtatious. She sent me a selfie and I replied “Beautiful, thank you!” We’ve chatted in her office a couple of times and I said I was looking forward to the next catch-up.

Nothing physical happened. She suggested lunch and dinner and I avoided taking those suggestions up. I wasn’t trying to leave my partner or start another relationship. It was a bit of flattery that I indulged when I should have put a stop to it.

DP found the messages on my phone. She also spoke to the woman, and she believes us both that nothing sexual happened.

I handled being confronted badly. I tried to describe the meetings as business-related, which understandably looked ridiculous alongside the messages. I also said I hadn’t known how to respond. The more honest answer is that I liked being flattered and didn’t want to shut it down. I’m embarrassed by that.

I expected her to be furious. I expected to have to apologise, answer difficult questions and work to regain her trust. I’ve told her I’ll do whatever it takes.

What I didn’t expect was for her to say our relationship was over, start looking at houses and question whether she has ever really known me.

That’s the part I’m struggling with. She seems to be looking back at our whole life together and wondering whether every loving thing I’ve done was some kind of act. I tell her I love her because I do. I enjoy spending time with her because she’s the person I want to be with. Those things haven’t suddenly become false because I behaved badly.

We had booked to get married, partly to make things simpler when one of us dies. She feels I haven’t seemed enthusiastic enough. I can see how that looks now, but I’ve thought of us as spending our lives together for decades. I haven’t been keeping my options open.

I know she’s entitled to decide this crosses a line for her. But I’m finding her reaction devastating. She says she doesn’t feel heartbroken so much as that her feelings have gone. Meanwhile I’m terrified of losing her.

And, rightly or wrongly, it has made me wonder whether she loved me in the way I thought she did. I thought we had something strong enough to survive a mistake, including one that was entirely my fault. Hearing that she can contemplate ending it so quickly makes me feel as though our thirty years mean much less to her than they do to me.

I haven’t said that to her because I realise it could sound like I’m making my behaviour her fault. It isn’t. But it is how I’m feeling.

AIBU to think an inappropriate but limited flirtation is something a happy relationship of thirty years could recover from? I accept that I’ve damaged what we had. I’m struggling to accept that it means what we had was never real.

Earheads · Today 09:45

@moderate nice post but absolutely deluded IMO, and very much a DARVO type response.
You have been having a flitation, lying about it, behaving as if you have cold feet about the marriage after 30 years, and NOW are doubting your partners commitment to you because she is totally appalled by your creepy actions and looking at ending the relationship?
You are absolutely deluded in your confusion and disappointment that she ever really cared.
Deluded.

OP,
I feel so sorry for you.
Not being married will make things easier now.

I too would say don't rush into anything, but I know for me, (61, married 35 years) it would change my view of him forever.

Younger than your children is so much worse than a peer, giving really creepy vibes.

She sounds like a complete piece of work, looking for and finding herself, an old fool.

Whether you separate or not will be for you to decide, but no way would I be marrying him.
No way in hell I would do that.

I would be returning to work and I would not be hiding from the adult children the reasons for the lack of wedding etc.
As for trusting him fully ever again, absolutely not.
That ship has sailed.
Trust is beyond delicate, once lost, it can never be fully recovered

I won't be one bit surprised if you develop the ick for him.

Get back to work and create space for yourself from the home.
You need to reclaim something for yourself beyond the house as you decide what you want to do.

Don't be rushed.
Could he move out for a period to give you space?

You need to think of yourself during this period.
Your children are adults and you do not owe them your happiness at this stage after what he has done.

notanothernamesurely · Today 09:46

Walk away. He’s an idiot!

OneHazelBird · Today 09:47

I’d be less concerned about this woman and more concerned about the fact he’s refused to marry you for 30 years, even after having kids……

You know that’s not ok right??

Why did you not demand to get married the second you fell pregnant??

AttilaTheMeerkat · Today 09:48

I would show him indeed what the loss of you means similarly to the above ie going away for a few days.

What is he doing to resist things? Whats he done here of his own accord?. Has he booked counselling for his self?. Where is his commitment to putting things back on track?.

What did they both get out of this?. She is no friend of your relationship but you need to get angry with him.
They work in the same building: are they working in the same department or team?. Has he tried go be a white knight figure or father confessor figure to her: Some women find that v attractive and he may well have been flattered by the attention to his ego.

Dery · Today 09:49

“Stormyrose · Today 08:33
Yes im not sure this is a sackable offence either, he’s not had an affair, he was flattered and flirted with a younger woman. Sure he shouldn’t have but I don’t think I’d divorce over it, more tell him to pack it in,”

This and similar with absolute bells on. You said yourself that he was trying to avoid lunch and dinner with her. It sounds like your relationship has been successful and contented; it seems excessive to blow up 30 years over this. Talk to each other. He appears to have allowed this to dent his enthusiasm for marriage so he does have stuff to make up to you but I would suggest giving him the chance to do so. In any case, don’t rush into anything. Take your time.

ThePerfectStormBird · Today 09:50

i think this all hinges on whether you want to date anyone else? Im eight years younger and I don’t think I’d want to date someone new in my sixties, but I’m aware plenty of people do. My mother thought she might like to date again after the death of my father but figured out quickly all the men she was going for coffee with were primarily either looking for sex or a carer as they had health problems 🤪

In your situation my primary instinct would be to protect the family money and insure my kids inherited well. I know that makes me a cold hearted bitch, but maybe I’ve read too many stories of relationship splits and the man remarrying and half the money disappears to a whole new family.

backyourself · Today 09:50

Yes @MarilynMerlot I rang her - I wanted to know what she had to say before I confronted him. She was so apologetic, said nothing sexual had happened (she would say that), it was all professional - again like him, I called her out on the mirror selfie and calling him sweety and perhaps she should reconsider her understanding of the meaning of professionalism. I’d also seen an Instagram post from her sister saying that God was giving her everything she deserved (business related) so I mentioned this and said I was surprised that she was a woman of faith given what she’d been trying to do.

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StarDolphins · Today 09:51

The problem for me in this situation would be the broken trust and thinking what else has happened in the last 30 years. 30 years or not, it’s grim and sleazy and totally disrespectful. If you can’t get over the broken trust, it’s entirely your dp’s fault.

InLawTwats · Today 09:51

he is very old fashioned

If that’s the case where does having kids without marriage come in?

speakball · Today 09:52

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BermudaRhombus · Today 09:52

This all seems a bit overblown for what’s actually happened. There must be more to it than this!

Rattlethegate7799 · Today 09:53

backyourself · Today 08:23

It’s interesting and this is why I’ve posted because I can’t decide if it’s foolish to end over 30 years for this, but I’ve never checked before, so this might not be the first time. Then there’s a part of me that thinks I deserved his loyalty and respect, I wouldn’t want to commit by marriage to someone for the next 20 years who hasn’t shown me that. I haven’t told anyone in real life yet as once I do, I think it will really be over. I just needed to hear your voices really and some of you are as torn as I am.

So sorry he has caused you to be in this awful situation op. It’s so disrespectful after thirty years.

I agree with you that the decision you make depends to some extent on whether he has cheated before. You can’t make a decision like this after thirty years based on incomplete knowledge.

But can you trust him to be honest with you? And is he genuinely sorry or sorry because he has been found out this time?

Time to put emotion aside as best you can op and investigate. Can you remember the people he was mixing with when you were suspicious before?

Talk to his past colleagues. Talk to old friends of his. Make it known you are serious and desperate to know the truth. And make it known to him that you are investigating and make it sound like you have more information than you do and tell him that he needs to come clean now and tell you absolutely everything.

If he won’t come clean then that also tells you something. He has broken your trust badly, and gc or no gc, trust is fundamental to a long term relationship like yours.

And get some support op like a counsellor or a friend you can really trust to support you through this awful betrayal 💐

Busybeemumm · Today 09:53

He reminds me of Harry in Love Actually. A silly old fool flattered by someone younger who took a slight interest in him.

Minasama · Today 09:53

I’m in a slightly different camp than others because you say his texts show he was avoiding meeting up and nothing has happened between them, and he is very remorseful.

I wouldn’t chuck 30 years of partnership away over a few texts. Anyone can be bored and flattered.

I’d at least listen and take the chance of a relationship reset, try and work it through and see how you feel in a few months. Maybe this is the wake up call you both need.

Don’t do anything hasty, unless of course you really want to finish the relationship and enjoy life on your own.

In a few weeks/months your gut will tell you what you want.

moderate · Today 09:54

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I suspect you may have missed the point I was making.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 09:55

i think this all hinges on whether you want to date anyone else?

Nonsense. You do known it's possible for a woman to survive without a man, yes? We can own property and vote now, we don't need to limit our options to 'sticking with this man' and 'trying to find another man'.

bababamama · Today 09:56

Kind of depends on you, at 60 many couples basically live separate lives and are completely happy with that. He hasn’t had an affair and may have sleepwalked into this situation through flattery. However you need to do some soul searching, is the relationship fulfilling what you need? You have 20/25 years more good living to have hopefully, can you get this with him? We can’t tell you.

HPFA · Today 09:56

I'll admit I'm puzzled by the headline "Thirty Years Wasted"? It sounds like you've had a good relationship up til now, you have children and grandchildren - even if you do decide to separate that doesn't mean everything going before that has been a waste.

Given that this didn't evolve into an affair (and it genuinely doesn't feel like it would have ended up there) try counselling first unless you realise that the love had gone before this anyway.

allthingsinmoderation · Today 09:57

backyourself · Today 09:50

Yes @MarilynMerlot I rang her - I wanted to know what she had to say before I confronted him. She was so apologetic, said nothing sexual had happened (she would say that), it was all professional - again like him, I called her out on the mirror selfie and calling him sweety and perhaps she should reconsider her understanding of the meaning of professionalism. I’d also seen an Instagram post from her sister saying that God was giving her everything she deserved (business related) so I mentioned this and said I was surprised that she was a woman of faith given what she’d been trying to do.

She clearly wasn't professional and neither was he.
If something sexual had happened they would probably both deny it and you must be left thinking he has betrayed your trust.
What did you say to him about his unprofessionalism?

Crikeyalmighty · Today 09:57

Gettingbysomehow · Today 09:45

Men are twats especially older ones. They get in a state about getting old.
They do stupid things.
I wouldnt break up a 30 year relationship over something that never happened.
You are expecting them to feel and think like a woman does and they don't.
A bit of flattery like this would have given him the validation his flagging ego needs.
Have a think about it.
Do what is best for you and dont rush into anything. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Id find it hard to get another job at my age quite honestly. Im 64.

This is how I feel too - and I’ve been there - did it change my view of them- most definitely, but I decided not to cut off my nose to spite my face and I wasn’t in a great position to go it alone either.

ColdLittleHeart · Today 09:58

Oh OP I’m on the fence with this. I think he got an ego boost and found the interaction exciting. It doesn’t sound like he had any intention of acting on it, it was a fantasy, most men don’t need much persuasion if they’re going to cheat. I’m not sure I could end an otherwise good marriage over this. That’s not to say your feelings aren’t valid, he has betrayed and hurt you and nothing he says or does will undo that.

I would highly recommend looking up Esther Perel. She does a lot of work around this subject. I always find her theories on trust interesting.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 09:59

moderate · Today 09:54

I suspect you may have missed the point I was making.

It wasn't a point. It was pointless slop.

NetZeroZealot · Today 10:00

OP I’d like to share something that happened to me recently which I wonder may be the issue with your DP?

Happily married for a long time but going through a very stressful time in other aspects of my life (family & health) I suddenly developed a very intense crush on someone I met briefly at work. It came from nowhere and was like a bolt from the blue. Limerence. Had there been an iota of encouragement from the other person I could easily have found myself in the same situation as your DP.

6 months on & I can recognise it for what it was. Thankfully the intense and intrusive feelings have faded & DH has no idea they existed. I appreciate him all the more.

I’m a similar age to your DP & wonder if this could be the explanation?

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 10:01

his texts show he was avoiding meeting up

'can’t wait for the next catch up’

Funny way of avoiding a meeting.

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