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Thirty years wasted

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backyourself · Today 07:42

So, had thought DP was acting oddly, nothing I could put my finger on. We’d booked to get married which he didn’t seem in the least excited about, which after 30 years together, we needed to do for inheritance purposes. I couldn’t shake the feeling, kept asking him, he said he was either tired, busy with work etc etc.
i go down to the kitchen on Friday morning and there’s his phone - so I checked it. He’d been messaging a woman over 30 years younger than him who works in his building. She’d initiated the contact, but he must have given her his number. She sent him a mirror selfie to which he replies ‘Beautiful, thank you!’ - they’ve met a couple of times in her office, with him responding ‘can’t wait for the next catch up’. I’ve told him it’s over between us but he says he’ll do anything to make it better, he doesn’t know what he was thinking, he didn’t know how to respond to her! I just feel so disrespected and disgusted, I can’t believe he’s done it. I feel like I don’t even know who he is, he’s in his 60’s FFS. The weirdest thing is, I feel validated, like I’ve trusted my gut and was right. It’s like the niggling doubts that I’ve had over the years but never taken further, I was probably right every time. I think I should feel devastated but I just don’t, is this shock?

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Idayatatime · Today 12:15

backyourself · Today 12:02

I fully appreciate your perspective @IdayatatimeI really am not looking to start again at 60 though, I’m sure it’s good for some, but I loved my partner, wanted the future we’d planned together and have been committed to him.
I know nothing sexual has happened and perhaps he was nervous of me finding out, I’d bloody hope he was, but I still come back to the fact he met her in the lift lobby, gave her his number (I didn’t ask if she asked for it, that was probably a salient point, but no she didn’t mug him for it) went up to her floor for coffee and wanted to ‘catch up’ again. She’s 29, he’s 64, it’s very icky and yes I’ve lost respect for him massively. I’d never have thought he’d engage with someone so young, it is really creepy. So in short, it’s not just what’s happened, which to some may seem insignificant (not to me) it’s the how it’s happened, with whom and his responses, I just don’t know him and that is what really scares me and what I ultimately think I will struggle to get past.

I understand this. Another thought I had & again its not a judgement of your feelings in general, is how you appear to be laying the blame for what's happened 100% on your partner. I would be far more angry with the young woman who lured him into her trap & pursued him with her intent that thankfully never came to fruition. I certainly wouldn't give her the satisfaction of knowing she was the reason behind destroying my family. Those are my final thoughts but for the sake of your children & grandchildren please consider the views of the many posters who said it happened, he was stupid but it wasn't an affair, they never had sex & ultimately this wouldn't end their relationship.

augustuss · Today 12:16

backyourself · Today 12:02

I fully appreciate your perspective @IdayatatimeI really am not looking to start again at 60 though, I’m sure it’s good for some, but I loved my partner, wanted the future we’d planned together and have been committed to him.
I know nothing sexual has happened and perhaps he was nervous of me finding out, I’d bloody hope he was, but I still come back to the fact he met her in the lift lobby, gave her his number (I didn’t ask if she asked for it, that was probably a salient point, but no she didn’t mug him for it) went up to her floor for coffee and wanted to ‘catch up’ again. She’s 29, he’s 64, it’s very icky and yes I’ve lost respect for him massively. I’d never have thought he’d engage with someone so young, it is really creepy. So in short, it’s not just what’s happened, which to some may seem insignificant (not to me) it’s the how it’s happened, with whom and his responses, I just don’t know him and that is what really scares me and what I ultimately think I will struggle to get past.

It’s a fast moving thread and I really think many people posting have not read the details and if they had - they’d be advising you differently.

Im sorry you’re going through this. It’s not your fault and you are not overreacting.

5128gap · Today 12:17

moderate · Today 11:56

Maybe so, maybe not. I don't think it would be unreasonable for him, once he's had time to get over the immediate issue of how foolish he's been, to stop and wonder what it means that his partner of 30 years was so quick to consider throwing it all away.

Hopefully he will indeed consider that. Hopefully concluding that what it means is that he is neither indispensable or irreplaceable, and that if he wants to retain the love and respect of a partner he shouldn't be creepy with other women. Its not a big ask after all.

OneHazelBird · Today 12:18

moderate · Today 12:12

I'm just quoting what OP wrote as her own understanding of how she herself let the years slip by.

I have several sets of friends who've been together for 30 years unmarried.

Yes I’m saying her excuses are BS.

And I know loads of couple who choose not to get married.

But OP doesn’t work and she actually wants to get married, so I think this is different.

It is very unusual that 30 years ago people didn’t get married when having DCs, especially when one parent gave up work.

This isn’t an equal relationship if he holds all of the power.

1983Louise · Today 12:20

You sound a lovely intelligent lady, I really hope it works out for the best of you. I just think he's been very stupid and we all know men can be very stupid x

Earheads · Today 12:21

@user1471435657 it is a wise post and I so agree.

Giving up your excellent career to childmind?
Extraordinary.

Wearing two rings he gave you whilst being skittish of actually marrying you?
Seriously OP, the duplicity of that is mortifying.

If you read this on a thread what would you really think?

I really think however upsetting this is for you, I think it is a huge wake up call as to who he REALLY is.

He is not the man you thought he was.

He is a sneaky, creepy, dishonest, dishonorable snake, that has hid it well.

You have sold yourself hugely short all these years.
You sound like a wonderful woman who deserves so much better.

Whatever you decide to do, don't cod yourself any more that he is some prize.
He really isn't.🙄

YOU are the prize here, not him.
You deserve so much better than him.

backyourself · Today 12:23

@OneHazelBird no, not BS excuses, like I explained, most weddings are driven by women, it wasn’t important to me, it isn’t now, except that we need to for inheritances purposes or else I will have to pay to stay in my own home. We both have pensions, savings, cars, jewellery, I thought being married would be easier in the event of our deaths, but also I did think now was a good time, it wasn’t going to be a big do, just us, the kids and their families. It was on our list of things to do and we’d have done it, not necessarily the most romantic way of looking at it, but I thought being ‘happy’ after over 30 years together and actually still ‘wanting’ to marry each other was good enough. Can you not see how what I’ve discovered has changed that for me?

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moderate · Today 12:23

5128gap · Today 12:17

Hopefully he will indeed consider that. Hopefully concluding that what it means is that he is neither indispensable or irreplaceable, and that if he wants to retain the love and respect of a partner he shouldn't be creepy with other women. Its not a big ask after all.

It's not a big ask, but it's also not a big misdemeanour. Love and respect goes both ways.

PashaMinaMio · Today 12:25

I’m so sorry you are having to deal with his groin driven behavior. What a prat.

“Our next catch up.”
A euphemism for rather more than that?
Where there’s a will there’s a way. If they’ve not DTD yet, the lust would have eventually found a way.

I’d never trust him again. Can you live with that? You’ll always be left wondering, always being triggered by what you know he’s capable of.

I know a man of 77 who was on line dating when his partner’s back was turned. He broke her heart. Men never give up.

Id have to kick him into touch.

Happymum2000 · Today 12:27

It is so dissapointing to have such kind of experience in life, but this can happen to anyone at anytime, because some people are not so much concerned about the others feelings and life, but only their own, and sometimes the benefits of keeping the company of the other. Some people stay with us becase they care or sometimes because they care more about theirs. So, you have to realize what is happening and make your decisions for the best of yourself.

backyourself · Today 12:28

@OneHazelBird he does not hold all the power, far from it. My pension pot is bigger than his, I have more money in savings than him, I pay and have always paid, probably more actually, of all household expenses. In fact, the 29 year old gold digger would be better off dating me.

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AnotherAnnie · Today 12:35

I really cannot see how him being awkward with someone making advances to him at work changes anything he is the same man you have been happy with for years.

I hope you will both go to the doctor for checkups and blood tests as changes in behaviour or mood can mean some sort of issue. A friend had diabetes (despite being checked recently) that made her more upset by things, I had some nutrition issues.

If he agreed to retire early with you might that help?

Grammarnut · Today 12:46

Skybluecoat · Today 07:45

When you say “for inheritance purposes” what exactly do you mean?

It's cheaper to get married (licence is c. £30) than to go all through the legal hoops to protect the surviving partner if you are not married. Esp. only a married couple can use the tax free allowance when spouse dies - for very obvious reasons, though no-one seems to get this, that there is a contract in place (marriage is a civil contract about property, among other things).

C8H10N4O2 · Today 12:48

CloveRinse · Today 11:53

He has met her - he works with her. "Cant wait for the next catch up" - they have met.

Are we all reading the same posts?

I am unsurprised but depressed at the number of posters trying to push the blame onto the woman and make excuses for the man - the person in the committed relationship.

They don't work together but he has given her his phone numbers and is telling her he can't wait to see her again. He isn't being forced into anything he is making a choice. You can feel flattered by a bit of attention without handing over your phone number and saying you want to see the other party "again". Of course we also don't know if this is the first time it has happened or just the first time being caught.

HardyMauveQuoter · Today 12:52

It sounds like she's pushed it and he's responded because he felt he had to, I'm nit making excuses for him at all, he should have the balls to ignore and block. But I don't think it's bad enough to throw away 30 years together. Use this to your advantage and make him pay, in all the nice ways possible, absolutely let him know that he's here because you want this not because you need this. Good luck and keep us posted. Hope your OK btw

oatsotoga · Today 12:54

AnotherAnnie · Today 12:35

I really cannot see how him being awkward with someone making advances to him at work changes anything he is the same man you have been happy with for years.

I hope you will both go to the doctor for checkups and blood tests as changes in behaviour or mood can mean some sort of issue. A friend had diabetes (despite being checked recently) that made her more upset by things, I had some nutrition issues.

If he agreed to retire early with you might that help?

I think its because he was ultimately encouraging it. He gave her his details, met up with her in her and his office for coffee and chats. She was sending him selfies and he was calling her beautiful. The only saving grace was that he was awkward about taking it further and meeting for lunch / dinner. He hadnt quite got there yet. BUT even then, he hadnt told his partner, he hadnt shared that he had a new innocent friendship, he hadnt shared any details at all.

Newyearawaits · Today 12:59

backyourself · Today 08:06

We own a house worth over £1m and pensions etc, I just thought it would be easier to be married in the event of one of us dying.
He and she (I rang her to get her take on it before I confronted him) deny that anything sexual has happened - which I do believe, but given time it possibly would have. She was trying to instigate going out for lunch and dinner, which I can see from the messages he is avoiding. It’s obviously given his mind a treat, he’s not stupid, he would know there’s no future in a relationship with a woman younger than our own children. I just keep thinking why? Why risk everything? I thought we were happy, he tells me he loves me regularly, how lovely I look almost daily, we go on holidays, we have a good family life, we’re grandparents, he tells me he loves our life together - it’s like I don’t even know him.

He's a fool more than anything OP.
Please don't make any rash decisions and give yourself some breathing space.
You haven't wasted 30 years. You have multiple achievements and experiences.
Sending you strength

C8H10N4O2 · Today 13:00

oatsotoga · Today 12:54

I think its because he was ultimately encouraging it. He gave her his details, met up with her in her and his office for coffee and chats. She was sending him selfies and he was calling her beautiful. The only saving grace was that he was awkward about taking it further and meeting for lunch / dinner. He hadnt quite got there yet. BUT even then, he hadnt told his partner, he hadnt shared that he had a new innocent friendship, he hadnt shared any details at all.

Yes - I've managed to get through a career without handing over my number to randoms I meet in the lobby, bars or on public transport after a conversation, even where it was solicited. They don't work together, he had no need to hand over phone numbers or follow up enthusiastically and if he is really so weak and pathetic that he can't refuse a phone number to a stranger then the standard escape clause is "yes would be great to have a drink, I'll speak to DH/DW to see when we are free".

He made a choice, just as everyone embarking on infidelities makes a choice.

backyourself · Today 13:02

That should have said I’ve paid and pay half of all household expenses, I don’t pay all, he may be an old creepy sad act of a fool but he’s not a cock lodger! Lucky me eh?

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Skybluecoat · Today 13:04

So he engineered things so that you were walking around wearing a wedding ring, but he wasn’t.

Newyearawaits · Today 13:04

Eristealviper · Today 10:31

that’s the point tho…. it was only a relationship , not legally married.

Really feeling for you OP, cyber hugs.

ONLY a relationship???????????
Seriously?

Rosesandthorns66 · Today 13:11

YellowEllie13 · Today 08:26

He’s messed up big time. His ego was flattered and he has been very weak. However, I would not throw away an otherwise pretty solid relationship for one blip, and I say that as someone who generally thinks we would all be better off without men. You have every right to feel hurt and angry and he needs to really step up now and do all he can to show you how much he does value you and your life together.

I agree with this100%.

You throw this away and let the anger take over, the alternative is you face life being alone.
He just enjoyed the attention, I think we can all get carried away with a bit of flirting.

Idayatatime · Today 13:20

I googled can men age 60 suffer a midlife crisis & the answer was definitely yes although psychologists use the term transition. It was an interesting read & gives reasons & possible outcomes that are out of character. If women can get away with certain behaviour due to menopause then as long as the behaviour exhibited by this man wasn't a full blown affair,which it wasn't, then I think providing he is showing genuine remorse he deserves more understanding.

backyourself · Today 13:20

@Skybluecoat nobody twisted my arm over the rings, I wore them because I chose to. Never gave it a lot of thought really - I still got regularly propositioned whilst wearing the rings, it’s no barrier, I just didn’t engage.

I’ve always been a confident, capable and secure woman, that hasn’t changed, hence my call to her, I was calm, I just wanted facts.
I didn’t and don’t need to be married but I do need to be respected.
Going forwards I’m scared that not trusting him will be so exhausting. I don’t want to be checking his phone. I don’t want to be suspicious of everyone and everything. I just want to feel secure, wanted and confident that the man I’ve spent over thirty years with is completely invested in me and who he says he is, married or not.

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Dorothyperky · Today 13:22

OP I m really sorry this has happened to you.

You are in an advantageous financial position as you are worth more. Technically no need to marry. You leave your assets to whom you wish.

Now I'm your age (60) and have been married for 38 years. My husband has never given me any reason to doubt him other than a woman who friends said had set her cap at him when we were first married. My sister told me he was too lazy to wine and dine two women!
He's not lazy but he's not a ladies man.

Your partner has been stupid and only you know if you can forgive him. Do you want to live on your own? Some long term marrieds secretly do!
Rightmove will be full of bargains as the market is rubbish
Fwiw my sister had an affair and her husband couldn't forgive her. They both married again but both regret not trying harder. Their children were deeply effected.

In my family we have a running joke about errant husbands and wives learning to lay a patio!

And I admire you for ringing her up, I would have done the same. The dating you quip was very funny.