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Estranged from my autistic university daughter after years of conflict

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YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:22

YA daughter is 20 and at university.

She is autistic as am I. I would say the relationship hasn’t been good for about 5 years.
She was highly controlling of home life. What channel we could watch, and it steadily got worse as teenage years kicked in.

We tried to put in boundaries and basic rules and it just got really bad. Most of the really nasty stuff was directed towards me and not her Dad - he’s a quiet gentle giant.

She would call me a Karen, Terf, even a Tory (I voted labour) and any insult she could think of - I’ve been called mental, controlling, bitch and I’ve even been punched. She was failing at university socially (not academically) and no self care so GP recommended she move back home. It was vile.

Daily insults. No basic rules following. She literally used to say ‘what you looking at bitch? ‘ if I came downstairs in my own home. I’m a Headteacher in my day to day job. I hope I’m a good one and kind and empathetic. She would tell me I was stupid on a daily basis and to chill.

She would leave used sanitary towels left on the floor in the bathroom etc and she just treated us like an ATM. She went out late (3 am) and then phoned as she was on the street in city centre at night etc it wasn’t just what she said it me but how she said it and I kicked her out the following day and offered to book a hotel or something but that I couldn’t do it anymore - I had high blood pressure, panic attacks, and I was very ill. She agreed to leave and go to a friend but wouldn’t tell us which one. And this was a month ago. She said she is safe and won’t tell us where. She says at the moment we haven’t supported her and that we need to understand she wants space and if she wants money or a relationship she will phone. We did contact wellbeing and she had lied as she had said they were supporting her but the university had no record on her.

I lurch from loving her and missing her one minute to wanting to scream at her and hate her the next.

I’m having counselling but it’s not helping. She wanted a huge holiday and back in September we agreed and are due to go on a once in a lifetime safari next week. (She has a younger sister). She has emailed us to say she is 100% not coming as she needs to heal. I’m furious, sad, angry but I’m also glad she isn’t coming and I feel conflicted by that. She won’t talk to my lovely DH or respond to her sibling or grandmother etc DH says I need to focus on me and we need to focus on each other and our family. I’m so angry about the holiday we booked it for her mental health as it was the one she wanted. I feel so angry I’m such a shit mum and I failed to raise a nice person - it’s all on me isn’t it? I tried over the years to get support, diagnosis etc and no one really helped us as she was so clever and masked so heavily out of the home

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YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:23

I have posted on here before under different usernames from when she was about 13 upwards about different things and conflicts and got some good advice so I’m hoping I might get some more!

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JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 19:25

You’re not a shit mum at all and it’s very likely her autism. Does she get any help with this? She sounds very angry and unable to regulate her emotions. Saying that I doubt she talks to her lecturers like that or her cohort members so there must be some element of being able to control it.

i assume she wouldn’t agree to family therapy? How about individual therapy for her?

OpheliaNightingale · Yesterday 19:26

Have you heard of pathological demand avoidance? It’s part of the autism spectrum.

JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 19:30

Dd did similar to your Dd in her last year at uni though she didn’t sound quite as bad. I never got sworn at or punched or sanitary towels left around but she told me on more than one occasion I was a shit mum and for the last six months of her third year left home (she was at the local uni) and sofa surfed with friends, refused to tell us where she was , didn’t contact us, didn’t invite us to graduation.

she came home after uni as her friends left and she had nowhere to go and things did gradually improve. She’s moved away now and I don’t think we will ever be close but I can ring her up and arrange to take her out and take her shopping and have lunch and we have a pleasant day together. But she doesn’t ring us/contact us hardly at all. She will occasionally say “I love you” now when we part which I never thought I’d hear her say. Shes mid 20s now and I think has grown up. I very much think she is also autistic (she thinks so as well). She’s like a walking checklist to be honest.

howlsandmiouws · Yesterday 19:34

Poor you OP, what an absolute nightmare. Is your gentle giant h quite avoidant and shouldn't he step in when your dd is abusive to you?

PashaMinaMio · Yesterday 19:34

Your daughter sounds like an absolute c0w and you’re not a $hit mum.

Stay calm, step back and let everything level out.
Don’t bank roll her.

Go on the holiday and relax, set your concerns about her to one side and enjoy your husband and DD2. Let the changes of scene totally absorb you.

The holiday will do you good and will help to give you a breathing space.

I think autism is used as an excuse for some really $hit behavior so pick your battles, refer her challenging behavior to your husband from now on to deal with and try to let go a bit. She’s 20 not a kid anymore.

Tough love mother, Tough love.

YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:36

JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 19:25

You’re not a shit mum at all and it’s very likely her autism. Does she get any help with this? She sounds very angry and unable to regulate her emotions. Saying that I doubt she talks to her lecturers like that or her cohort members so there must be some element of being able to control it.

i assume she wouldn’t agree to family therapy? How about individual therapy for her?

No she refused to even talk to the assessor to get the result. She will say yes, yes, yes in front of the GP but then literally he made 4 appointments and she failed to show at any of them.

Believe it or not she has a scholarship and has won prizes and yes she doesn’t treat anyone else like it only me

I got her counselling and she masked and refused to engage

Right now no chance of therapy

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howlsandmiouws · Yesterday 19:36

it’s all on me isn’t it?

100% not, unfortunately with autism, sometimes this is what you get and it's nature over nurture.

RoseField1 · Yesterday 19:36

OpheliaNightingale · Yesterday 19:26

Have you heard of pathological demand avoidance? It’s part of the autism spectrum.

This behaviour doesn't sound like PDA at all, it sounds like her personality sadly.

RoseField1 · Yesterday 19:37

howlsandmiouws · Yesterday 19:36

it’s all on me isn’t it?

100% not, unfortunately with autism, sometimes this is what you get and it's nature over nurture.

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And sometimes people can be autistic and also arseholes, quite by coincidence. I'm not sure why everyone is explaining her behaviour as autism. It sounds like she's cruel, entitled and lacks empathy, none of which are inherently autistic traits.

YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:38

howlsandmiouws · Yesterday 19:34

Poor you OP, what an absolute nightmare. Is your gentle giant h quite avoidant and shouldn't he step in when your dd is abusive to you?

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No he will stand between us. He is twice her size and he will calmly say, No or stop or Mum has said go and I’m saying go as well. He 100% backs up my decisions and he will draw hard boundaries

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YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:40

PashaMinaMio · Yesterday 19:34

Your daughter sounds like an absolute c0w and you’re not a $hit mum.

Stay calm, step back and let everything level out.
Don’t bank roll her.

Go on the holiday and relax, set your concerns about her to one side and enjoy your husband and DD2. Let the changes of scene totally absorb you.

The holiday will do you good and will help to give you a breathing space.

I think autism is used as an excuse for some really $hit behavior so pick your battles, refer her challenging behavior to your husband from now on to deal with and try to let go a bit. She’s 20 not a kid anymore.

Tough love mother, Tough love.

This latest time I just let rip back though and told her how she had destroyed my love for her and how I actually hated her being home etc I was broken and I literally screamed at her that she was a nasty abuser and she had to leave and I never wanted to see her again

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YourFairCyanReader · Yesterday 19:42

You're absolutely not a shit mum 💐

Hadenough2022 · Yesterday 19:47

If you were a bad parent you wouldn’t be posting this. She is an adult and has to take responsibility for her actions. Try to enjoy your holiday with your family.

Meadowfinch · Yesterday 19:49

RoseField1 · Yesterday 19:37

And sometimes people can be autistic and also arseholes, quite by coincidence. I'm not sure why everyone is explaining her behaviour as autism. It sounds like she's cruel, entitled and lacks empathy, none of which are inherently autistic traits.

This.

Go on your holiday, leave her to it. She is an adult. Let her live her life how she wants. She can get a job, claim benefits or live off her student loan. She is not your problem any more.

Perhaps after a few weeks of being elsewhere she may manage to be polite to you. Or she will learn to stand on her own two feet. Either will be better than now.

mummypigoink · Yesterday 19:49

YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:40

This latest time I just let rip back though and told her how she had destroyed my love for her and how I actually hated her being home etc I was broken and I literally screamed at her that she was a nasty abuser and she had to leave and I never wanted to see her again

Good. If she persistently is vile to you and not anybody else, it’s not her autism. She’s just a nasty piece of work. Some people are just like that, no matter how much the family tried.

Go on your safari, come back and change the locks. Stop funding her. Sometimes fuck about and find out is the most important lesson you can give your children.

AMurderofMurderingCrows · Yesterday 19:56

SHE needs space?? Space from what?

She is a nasty abuser who is making you ill. I know she is your daughter and you love her but you need to put yourself first in this situation to recover and heal from the abuse.

I do appreciate it's an awful situation for you and the rest of your family, however please take as much time away from your daughter as you need.

💐

SpottyAlpaca · Yesterday 19:57

Never mind ‘autism’. She sounds like a horrid spoiled brat who should have been taught some manners, been forced to learn that her actions have consequences & had some boundaries enforced (yes, enforced, which I’m aware is an unfashionable concept) a long time ago.

And what is her father doing when she punches you? If me or my brother had laid a finger on our mother our dad would have physically kicked us out of the house.

HumberSquid · Yesterday 20:01

YAdaughter · Yesterday 19:40

This latest time I just let rip back though and told her how she had destroyed my love for her and how I actually hated her being home etc I was broken and I literally screamed at her that she was a nasty abuser and she had to leave and I never wanted to see her again

Well ok, so that would explain why she's not coming on holiday. Sounds like you could both do with some time apart to heal and decide how to go forward. You cant be her atm/punchbag forever

shellyleppard · Yesterday 20:05

You are not a bad mother. Your daughter has mental health issues but it doesn't give her the right to treat you like shit. Go and enjoy your holiday, enjoy the peace and focus on yourself. If she gets in touch asking for money tell her no
My son is autistic but I don't put up with rudeness.
Sending hugs x

Arran2024 · Yesterday 20:15

Hi. I'm sorry, that sounds hard. Have you done any NVR training? That might help x

Octavia64 · Yesterday 20:18

it sounds like both of you would benefit from some space.

She needs time to mature and live and face things on her own. It will help her learn some tolerance and patience.

you are not a shit mum.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · Yesterday 20:21

SpottyAlpaca · Yesterday 19:57

Never mind ‘autism’. She sounds like a horrid spoiled brat who should have been taught some manners, been forced to learn that her actions have consequences & had some boundaries enforced (yes, enforced, which I’m aware is an unfashionable concept) a long time ago.

And what is her father doing when she punches you? If me or my brother had laid a finger on our mother our dad would have physically kicked us out of the house.

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It's not that easy with autism. I had something similar with my oldest and believe you me there were boundaries. It was as if they didn't exist.

It really, really isn't always down to parenting.

In the end I told my oldest to live with his father. It breaks my heart still, but there is more peace at home. He's just starting to come through it, but it became a choice: Either he ruled the home, or I did. I chose for me. It doesn't stop hurting though.

His (utterly amazing) support worker said that sometimes with some autistic teens, their self-control and emotional reactions are closer to those of a toddler than a growing adolescent. That describes my older son rather well.

OP, I think you need to grieve and let go a bit. I'm sorry. If you can, grieve, and take the view that if she wants to kick the nest that should be her home to bits as she starts to fly free into adult life, then you can't stop it. You have done your level best. You've put time, love, healthy boundaries in place. these will have profoundly shaped her for the better, even if she can't see it now - in fact, even if she never sees it.

YAdaughter · Yesterday 20:21

OpheliaNightingale · Yesterday 19:26

Have you heard of pathological demand avoidance? It’s part of the autism spectrum.

I have heard of it but 75% if it directed at me, 20% my daughter and 5% my husband. Literally just family.

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YAdaughter · Yesterday 20:23

JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 19:30

Dd did similar to your Dd in her last year at uni though she didn’t sound quite as bad. I never got sworn at or punched or sanitary towels left around but she told me on more than one occasion I was a shit mum and for the last six months of her third year left home (she was at the local uni) and sofa surfed with friends, refused to tell us where she was , didn’t contact us, didn’t invite us to graduation.

she came home after uni as her friends left and she had nowhere to go and things did gradually improve. She’s moved away now and I don’t think we will ever be close but I can ring her up and arrange to take her out and take her shopping and have lunch and we have a pleasant day together. But she doesn’t ring us/contact us hardly at all. She will occasionally say “I love you” now when we part which I never thought I’d hear her say. Shes mid 20s now and I think has grown up. I very much think she is also autistic (she thinks so as well). She’s like a walking checklist to be honest.

I’m so sorry for this. 💐 for you.

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