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Found condoms and wet wipes in DH's work/ travel bag (yes another one of these!)

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Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 06:17

I've read many similar threads on here, maybe adding another will help develop a data pool for trend analysis or FAQs for other Mumsnetters (ha!) but really, I just need to recount my experience and maybe get some advice specific to my circumstances - even though it's on a common topic.

Several condoms dated 2029, together with individually wrapped wet wipes multi pack - many of which are open - found in DH travel/ work backpack. No open or used condoms, just the wipes. Been in couples' therapy for 2 years, been intimate twice or thrice in that time so I probably deserve it if he's cheating. I just thought he was still in the 'we are working on it' headspace. I was looking for pens or pencils for DS1 (6) homework last night (just moved house - no idea where the pens are yet) not looking for trouble. So I behaved calmly (I'm generally very expressive and emotional)and took out a sample of both on the floor by his bed, where I thought it would be obvious to him I had found them. I know he found them as I was flossing with my back turned as I hear me swearing and him jumping up to move them (DS1 and DS2 (3) were in their beds). The paraphernalia wasn't there when I turned and there has been no mention of it (not how I expected it to play out but determined not to be super emotional, which is what he would expect, and use to deflect from the problem at hand)

A few other things have my Spidey senses going. DH has been hugely and noticeably protective of his phone recently. He's always on it, won't show me me anything on his screen if he is looking at something and commenting on it, would rather send it to me (although he always would turn the screen to show me in the past). It never leaves his sight, it was on a charger close to me one night, next to the night stand with my water on it, I reached to get my water and he was barely awake and managed to sense, wake up and grab the phone as I reached my glass. He was never a fan of handing over his phone to DS to watch something as a distraction if we'd gotten desperate for him to sit still ( I am always happy to, unless I'm out of charge). Now, it is the only scenario where he would sooner make a scene (usually hates this) than hand it over.

He works in the office more, and goes for more conferences (locally but long days or the odd overnight) social meals and drinks after work. I thought it was due to his new job, and my job is the same. The odder thing is how many short notice travel ones he now has, they weren't mentioned to me as an initial criterion for the role.

He's been very amenable to sleeping in the guest bedroom in the last few months too. DCs have been waking up a lot at night and coming into our bed. In fact he's most recently been insisting that they start the night in bed with me while he sleeps in the guest room, citing 'we would all get better sleep'. Which we actually have.

I should ask him outright, about the condoms. Maybe tonight after the kids are down (we may not get a chance in the morning, getting kids ready, and DH is working from the office all day). But he may have gotten rid of the evidence, and he has been known to lie and gaslight in the past to get out of things.

What would you think and do? If he has been cheating, the marriage becomes irreparable, in my view - couples' therapy be damned.

OP posts:
RottenBanana · 21/01/2026 21:01

Is he away tonight?

TwinklySquid · 21/01/2026 21:04

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 20:21

All of these things are what I am now thinking too. Toughest bit for me is that he may never come clean - it's probably how it's going to be but really it gets my goat.

They will never admit it.
I had copies of the messages my ex had been sending to other women. I showed him them and He still denied it!
I think the gaslighting pissed me off more than anything. If I could do my time again, I wouldn’t even confront him. I’d sort my affairs and go. Trying to convince him to give me the truth did more damage in the long run to my confidence

MeTooOverHere · 21/01/2026 21:27

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 09:56

Crikey, seeing this has made me feel like such a mug, but I need to hear hard truths.

I'd like some honesty about it but I'm not sure I'm going to get any, so will need to brace myself to act with incomplete data - I'm terrible at this, it involves listening to my gut...and I always talk my gut out of its opinions.

You don't need him to confess or confirm. You just need sufficient independent evidence to prove to your own satisfaction that he is not engaged in the marriage. That might be what you already have told us about, or proof of him being in his own town/a nearby one when he says he is away, or seeing messages on his phone, or even a discreet convo with his boss about 'why so many these trips away lately'.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 21:35

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 20:56

This is a reasonable assessment.

It's really not! I get sick of comments like @Bikergran s. Sometimes for a whole host of reasons, some couples don't have sex for long periods of time. That does not justify them going to get it from outside of the marriage.

There were clearly issues within this particular marriage, but that does not excuse what the OP's husband is doing. He's vile.

UpMyself · 21/01/2026 21:42

I agree. It could be due to needing to heal after a complicated birth, deployment abroad, health issues, etc.

pouletvous · 21/01/2026 21:44

You have just moved. Do you have a mortgage?

Great timing for him! Bastard

sunsetss · 21/01/2026 21:53

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 20:52

Thank you for all the messages, they've got me through a trying day. That and work was particularly busy. For those asking why the therapy and why so long, as I started to list them in response (for the first time even for myself) it's a long and hideous list and I'm ashamed of it, but it was eye opening when all listed in one go - some (not all) of it includes financial control, unexplained debts appearing (to the tune of multiple thousands) explosive arguments (both of us), porn addiction. Both our parents divorced when we were young, though, and we always said we wanted to create more stable family foundations than we got ourselves. We've really lost our way.

Sounds absolutely hideous OP. It's surely going to be something of a relief to be rid of him. I think he might actually have done you a huge favour even if it doesn't feel like it right now.

Poshjock · 21/01/2026 21:58

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 20:52

Thank you for all the messages, they've got me through a trying day. That and work was particularly busy. For those asking why the therapy and why so long, as I started to list them in response (for the first time even for myself) it's a long and hideous list and I'm ashamed of it, but it was eye opening when all listed in one go - some (not all) of it includes financial control, unexplained debts appearing (to the tune of multiple thousands) explosive arguments (both of us), porn addiction. Both our parents divorced when we were young, though, and we always said we wanted to create more stable family foundations than we got ourselves. We've really lost our way.

Yikes. Given the financial control, unexplained debt and porn addition, I think you may have to consider that use of sex workers may have been a feature in his life for a much longer time than just the last months.

Genevie82 · 21/01/2026 22:06

caringcarer · 21/01/2026 08:42

You are clearly incompatible. Better to leave or ask him to leave than live like strangers. Only having sex twice in 2 years shows you don't fancy each other any more. He's found someone else which is why is so amenable to sleep in the spare room. Sort out mortgage and pension paperwork and get yourself a solicitor.

Yes, stop wasting your life and start living it for yourself OP. Time to clear the decks x

ChaliceinWonderland · 21/01/2026 22:22

Never say you deserve this. When he Gets in later tell him you're filing for divorce, hopefully you already have.
Twat.

Coffeislife · 21/01/2026 22:23

Op is one of the most responsive in this type of situation post. I really want to know about the lack of intimacy and waht went wrong there ? Feels to me though you are against his actions ( rightly so ) but seem to hold a torch for the person he was and the shared morals.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 21/01/2026 22:31

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 21:35

It's really not! I get sick of comments like @Bikergran s. Sometimes for a whole host of reasons, some couples don't have sex for long periods of time. That does not justify them going to get it from outside of the marriage.

There were clearly issues within this particular marriage, but that does not excuse what the OP's husband is doing. He's vile.

Yeah bikergran is probably a massive cheater themself.

if you're not happy with the amount of sex in a relationship, LEAVE!

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 22:33

TellyOrNap · 21/01/2026 13:33

I agree to an extent if it's literally been years, although there's always the choice to leave instead.

But I'm in my thirties, and you do not want to get into a dynamic where you have to sleep with a man often enough to stop him cheating. Which is the flip side of what you're saying. You should be able to trust someone throughout periods of illness, dry spells after having babies, all the stuff that goes on in long term relationships.

|'m not sure they are blaming OP, but would seem they are pretty much separated, just living under the same roof.

Lack of intimacy, 2 years of therapy and sleeping in the spare room would all indicate the marriage was already dead to me, but that doesn't mean she is responsible for the situation!

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 22:35

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 21:35

It's really not! I get sick of comments like @Bikergran s. Sometimes for a whole host of reasons, some couples don't have sex for long periods of time. That does not justify them going to get it from outside of the marriage.

There were clearly issues within this particular marriage, but that does not excuse what the OP's husband is doing. He's vile.

That is fine if both partners are happy with that arrangement, we don't know the reason why in this situation, but is clearly a reason why some people decide to cheat.

Ilovefluffyblankets · 21/01/2026 22:47

@buymeflowers Fantastic advice! I wish I had known you when I was going through something similar.

@Ohtheregoesgravity I really feel for you and send virtual hugs. I’ve been through something si
ilar, and would say keep as calm as you can, think about the future when you are free of this man, and consider the advice from @buymeflowers as this is sensible and down to earth. I would also add keeping a little notebook handy to jot down adherent thoughts etc, but make sure only you see it.
Wishing you the best of luck
Fluffy Blankets

OhNoYouDont2025 · 21/01/2026 23:22

Ohtheregoesgravity · 21/01/2026 20:56

This is a reasonable assessment.

However, cheaters are still always abusive liars whose word cannot be trusted. If you feel sex starved you tell your husband/wife. You talk about it. You explain to them that you will be looking for sex elsewhere, you ask to open up the marriage, you leave, there are options.

But under no circumstances, ever, does a non abusive and reasonable person think not having sex means it is ok to trash an agreed to boundary stick their penis into other people and lie to the face of a person who trusts you ever single day.

Please get onto Chump Lady if you haven't already. She has a great way of properly framing cheating behaviour.

Don't be a chump, listen to Chump Lady.

https://www.chumplady.com/what-not-to-do-if-youre-cheated-on/

2. Never accept responsibility for their cheating.
"She didn’t cheat on you because of your penchant for wearing dark socks and sandals in public. He didn’t find fuckbuddies on Craigslist because of your post-baby muffin top. Nor did he cheat because you’re a bipolar, alcoholic shrew who emasculates him with your rages (although you sound pretty lousy as partners go). People cheat because they feel ENTITLED to.Cheaters are 100% responsible for their decision to cheat. If they were unhappy, they could’ve gotten counseling, filed for divorce, taken up scrapbooking… really most anything other than cheating. They cheat because they value the good feelings they get from ego kibbles and affair sex more than their commitment to you and your health and well-being. People cheat because they’re selfish escapists. Many of them are quite happy to blameshift their crappy decisions on to you. Don’t let that happen. Be very clear on what is yours to own (i.e., dark socks/sandals offenses) and what is NOT yours to own (i.e., fucking people you aren’t married to.)"

And when your kids are older -

"I stand by my advice not to gaslight children with the We Grew Apart narrative or Divorce Just Happens. I think it is far more terrifying to hear love is a nebulous vapor that just mysteriously disappears, versus life has deal breakers and consequences. And I don’t think it’s okay to gaslight children even with the best of intentions — that the truth will hurt them, that they can’t handle it. Children aren’t stupid and they usually suss out far more than we give them credit for. Yes, the truth does hurt. But truth isn’t the problem — being an alcoholic cheater is the problem... There’s no spackling over that shit. If we do not tell the truth, if chumps maintain the image, if we gaslight and spackle — we teach our children to react to crisis and betrayal in these ways too. Oh, it’s Not What You Think. My strong feelings about this situation are invalid! It’s just a trifle!

Good luck with the mess your scumbag has caused.

We Grew Apart

"We grew apart" is one of the stupid euphemisms for divorce over infidelity. Vague, both-sides-erism that serves cheaters. Don't fall for it.

https://www.chumplady.com/we-grew-apart/

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 23:25

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 22:35

That is fine if both partners are happy with that arrangement, we don't know the reason why in this situation, but is clearly a reason why some people decide to cheat.

Clearly this is not an 'open marriage', so the fact that some couples are happy with this arrangement is completely irrelevant, hence why I didn't mention open marriages in my comment.

And yes, I get that lack of sex is a reason why some cheat, I'm just saying that it's still vile and unacceptable. People make vows upon marriage to be faithful to one another, and going through a long dry spell does not mean it's ok to cheat. Of course conversations surrounding sex and lack of should be had, there are often reasons for it. If they cannot be overcome and one or both parties cannot accept this, then it's time to separate, not just go cheating and lying behind the other's back.

OhNoYouDont2025 · 21/01/2026 23:33

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 23:25

Clearly this is not an 'open marriage', so the fact that some couples are happy with this arrangement is completely irrelevant, hence why I didn't mention open marriages in my comment.

And yes, I get that lack of sex is a reason why some cheat, I'm just saying that it's still vile and unacceptable. People make vows upon marriage to be faithful to one another, and going through a long dry spell does not mean it's ok to cheat. Of course conversations surrounding sex and lack of should be had, there are often reasons for it. If they cannot be overcome and one or both parties cannot accept this, then it's time to separate, not just go cheating and lying behind the other's back.

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And to be fair it is not, actually, the reason. The reason men fuck other women and lie about it and women fuck other men and lie about it is that they want to. That's it. That's the entire reason.

There are always, without exception, other options and there is never, without any exception, a good reason to deliberately break the agreed to boundary of a person who trust you.

But these threads always fill up with dodgy cheaters who want to gaslight everyone into thinking their own horrible behaviour is not that bad, or cheated on doormats who want to convince themselves somehow he's not an untrustworthy, abusive scumbag.

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 23:34

ReadingSoManyThreads · 21/01/2026 23:25

Clearly this is not an 'open marriage', so the fact that some couples are happy with this arrangement is completely irrelevant, hence why I didn't mention open marriages in my comment.

And yes, I get that lack of sex is a reason why some cheat, I'm just saying that it's still vile and unacceptable. People make vows upon marriage to be faithful to one another, and going through a long dry spell does not mean it's ok to cheat. Of course conversations surrounding sex and lack of should be had, there are often reasons for it. If they cannot be overcome and one or both parties cannot accept this, then it's time to separate, not just go cheating and lying behind the other's back.

Edited

I wasn't talking about open marriages, I was say sexless marriages are fine if both partners are happy with that situation, doesn't work when one partner does want a sex life.

Having said that there is clearly bigger issues with this relationship, if after 2 years of therapy and sleeping in seperate room I would suggest the marriage is over in all but name..

Of course he should be honest and separate first, but should hardly come as a surprise based on the current situation.

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 23:36

OhNoYouDont2025 · 21/01/2026 23:33

And to be fair it is not, actually, the reason. The reason men fuck other women and lie about it and women fuck other men and lie about it is that they want to. That's it. That's the entire reason.

There are always, without exception, other options and there is never, without any exception, a good reason to deliberately break the agreed to boundary of a person who trust you.

But these threads always fill up with dodgy cheaters who want to gaslight everyone into thinking their own horrible behaviour is not that bad, or cheated on doormats who want to convince themselves somehow he's not an untrustworthy, abusive scumbag.

People cheat for all kinds of reasons, and lack of intimacy is one of them...

OhNoYouDont2025 · 21/01/2026 23:41

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 23:36

People cheat for all kinds of reasons, and lack of intimacy is one of them...

Nah. They just like to stick their cocks in other women or shag other men.

There's never a reason to cheat. This has already been explained clearly to and you understand this perfectly.

The only people who pretend to believe otherwise are either abusive, vile, coercive bullies, or gaslighted doormats, or trolls hoping to cause as much harm and distress to those who have been abused as possible, or those who are simple minded in some way and don't understand basic facts, reality and logic.

Which of those four are you? There are only four options.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 22/01/2026 00:03

jbm16 · 21/01/2026 23:34

I wasn't talking about open marriages, I was say sexless marriages are fine if both partners are happy with that situation, doesn't work when one partner does want a sex life.

Having said that there is clearly bigger issues with this relationship, if after 2 years of therapy and sleeping in seperate room I would suggest the marriage is over in all but name..

Of course he should be honest and separate first, but should hardly come as a surprise based on the current situation.

Oh apologies! I totally misunderstood your comment 😆

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And what about the actual reason for lack of sex? There are many reasons as to why couples do not have sex. It isn't black and white, so it's not really fair to think the one withholding is somehow at fault. Nor does it mean they are only staying in the relationship for its benefits!

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