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Really Heartbroken Part 2

216 replies

YourBrickTiger · 26/09/2025 15:40

Someone suggested I post here, under a new title, so I hope it's not too repetitive but as always I value your support and help.

Hello, so I thought I'd post again, hope it's ok. There is a guy at work who is now showing me a lot of attention and he has told me that he knows it's making 'THE guy' jealous, but I'm not interested. But just an example of the behaviour that is condoned in here. And this one has me a bit shaken but I am so not interested in this guy in this way and have told him so. He is coming on really strong anytime he sees me alone and I just freeze. I am hopeless at dealing with this. He has my number as I legitmately thought he was a friend and now he is texting to say 'do you want a ride?'. I said in no uncertain terms 'no I don't, please stop that'. At work today, he comes up to me when we are alone and says 'I want to take you into the bathroom and bend you over the sink, I want to touch your boobs'. He then said 'when was the last time you had sex?' I just froze. I'm not in any way someone who has ever or will ever 'put it about', and I don't give out that impression to anyone. I've only ever slept with people I am in a relationship with. The last person I slept with was the man you all know about - and I deeply loved him. I don't even want to sleep with someone else while I'm going through what I am at the minute (those of you who know my story know what I mean). He even said he had an erection and showed me through his trousers. Luckily other members of the team arrived, but what am I doing wrong that this is now happening? I haven't given him any romantic interest, and don't discuss my love life/ex boyfriends or anything. He does know I was involved with 'the other guy' but I've made it clear that that was because I loved him.

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VioletandMauve · 29/09/2025 15:11

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 14:57

I didn't even realise I was being hostile I'm sorry.

Yes he dumped her after he had come back into work bragging about how he 'fu his wife's auntie'.

He sounds a charmer. Why do you want him so badly? 😳

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 15:14

VioletandMauve · 29/09/2025 15:11

He sounds a charmer. Why do you want him so badly? 😳

This type of talk where I work is normalised. And when I first met him I really thought he was a kind and decent man.

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Bittenonce · 29/09/2025 15:23

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 14:56

I get that but it isn't what I'm asking. I'm asking if you feel he would be just as awful to a vietnamese person. Because if he isn't, then this whole nightmare is based on my nationality. I can't change it but it means there is nothing wrong with him after all, if that's all it was?

Okay I’ll try, though I’m never sure if I’m getting through - you know he can make an effort and comes across as being nice. He was to you, right? But then it’s too much effort to keep it up. So sure, he’ll be nice to anyone, whatever their looks, age, nationality. Then he’ll revert to type when he’s in a position to manipulate and abuse them, they’ll kick back - or continue to be abused - or end up broken.
So when it comes to South East Asian women - First, there’s a stereotype that they’re submissive. Second, they’re piss poor and will often put up with a lot, for a little. Third - with any culture difference, it’s often harder to work out someone’s real personality when nuances of their words or actions aren’t really understood, when things they say and do can easily be interpreted as a cultural difference or norm rather than a serious personality flaw. So basically they’re attractive because he thinks they’re ’easy meat’, compliant, controllable- and to some extent, for a while, they may well be.
Does that help?

NorthernGirl1975 · 29/09/2025 15:43

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 15:14

This type of talk where I work is normalised. And when I first met him I really thought he was a kind and decent man.

But you now know he's not decent.

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 16:07

Bittenonce · 29/09/2025 15:23

Okay I’ll try, though I’m never sure if I’m getting through - you know he can make an effort and comes across as being nice. He was to you, right? But then it’s too much effort to keep it up. So sure, he’ll be nice to anyone, whatever their looks, age, nationality. Then he’ll revert to type when he’s in a position to manipulate and abuse them, they’ll kick back - or continue to be abused - or end up broken.
So when it comes to South East Asian women - First, there’s a stereotype that they’re submissive. Second, they’re piss poor and will often put up with a lot, for a little. Third - with any culture difference, it’s often harder to work out someone’s real personality when nuances of their words or actions aren’t really understood, when things they say and do can easily be interpreted as a cultural difference or norm rather than a serious personality flaw. So basically they’re attractive because he thinks they’re ’easy meat’, compliant, controllable- and to some extent, for a while, they may well be.
Does that help?

Yes thank you it does help. His absolute obsession with the place to the detriment of his own kids HAS to be something more than what those women look like. For so long now I've believed he saw me, my body, my personality and was so disgusted compared to some of the really beautiful Vietnamese you see online. Shamefully my mind has went to some very dark places because he once even compared the colour of my nipples to the dark ones over there. So I thought that was better. I even thought they must have nicer private parts or something. Thank you for explaining in detail @Bittenonce . I figure there HAS to be more to this because who else gives up everyone who loves them to chase some sort of fantasy?

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YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 16:08

NorthernGirl1975 · 29/09/2025 15:43

But you now know he's not decent.

Just trying to establish that he's not just decent to THEM, that race.

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NorthernGirl1975 · 29/09/2025 16:41

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 16:08

Just trying to establish that he's not just decent to THEM, that race.

That doesn't matter. Decent people don't pick and choose, they treat everyone fairly.

Cookingupmyfirstbornson · 29/09/2025 17:08

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 16:08

Just trying to establish that he's not just decent to THEM, that race.

Op you're literally driving yourself crazy with this now.

Smittenkitchen · 29/09/2025 17:29

Surely him treating people badly based on their race would mean that there's something seriously wrong with him??!
Edited to say
*Treating people badly or indeed well

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 19:12

I just made a call to Lifeline, to arrange some counselling. The lady listened and I’d like to fill you in on what she said. If I can just stop crying and collect my thoughts. Thank you for encouraging me to do this.

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AyzumSkayzum · 29/09/2025 19:36

That's fantastic news! Well done you.

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 19:41

AyzumSkayzum · 29/09/2025 19:36

That's fantastic news! Well done you.

Thank you for the encouragement x

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Smittenkitchen · 29/09/2025 21:16

Good for you, OP!

VioletandMauve · 29/09/2025 21:32

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 16:08

Just trying to establish that he's not just decent to THEM, that race.

Oh you’re being ridiculous now. So he’s only not decent to that race? Get real.

Personperson · 29/09/2025 21:34

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 19:12

I just made a call to Lifeline, to arrange some counselling. The lady listened and I’d like to fill you in on what she said. If I can just stop crying and collect my thoughts. Thank you for encouraging me to do this.

It's good that you've done that.

It's a positive step.

Feel free to fill us in, if you want to of course.

Kitkate21 · 29/09/2025 21:43

Does your employer not have an employee assistance programme where you can access support services? I have ADHD too. I can get some of your thinking. Do you have Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD)? Id be very, very glad a man like this rejected me. He's horrid. This is one of those situations that actually, you are in control..you control this situation by reporting it. If you choose not to, you are just accepting his behaviour and becoming very wrongly obsessed and you are getting hurt. Not him, you. The only way out of this situation and for you to move on is to report him. Surely you've done that by now?

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 21:58

VioletandMauve · 29/09/2025 21:32

Oh you’re being ridiculous now. So he’s only not decent to that race? Get real.

I don’t understand this, did you mean he is only decent?

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kellygoeswest · 29/09/2025 21:58

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 19:41

Thank you for the encouragement x

Well done xx you were very strong to do this!!

YourBrickTiger · 29/09/2025 22:01

Kitkate21 · 29/09/2025 21:43

Does your employer not have an employee assistance programme where you can access support services? I have ADHD too. I can get some of your thinking. Do you have Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD)? Id be very, very glad a man like this rejected me. He's horrid. This is one of those situations that actually, you are in control..you control this situation by reporting it. If you choose not to, you are just accepting his behaviour and becoming very wrongly obsessed and you are getting hurt. Not him, you. The only way out of this situation and for you to move on is to report him. Surely you've done that by now?

There are two men here. The one being pervy to me the other day and then the one I was involved with. The one I was involved with is the one I phoned the counsellor about today.

I really don’t know about the other one. It’s the sort of behaviour that is swept under the carpet around here.

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NorthernGirl1975 · 29/09/2025 22:59

Well done OP this is good news.

YourBrickTiger · 30/09/2025 12:03

OK so, need to stress that this is in no way undermining the great advice I've been offered here but many of you have encouraged me to talk to a professional so that's what I did and your voices were in my head spurring me on. It took me about an hour to pluck up the courage.

The counsellor listened, without interrupting, but I could hear dismay in her voice when she did talk and the silence seemed to indicate how upsetting she found it. She even mumbled under her breath 'I'm not surprised' when I told her that he had been divorced twice.

So I told her the whole thing, or as much as I could in 45 mins. She didn't speak once, but when I stopped she immediately said,

"This is not you. This man shows classic signs of narcissism." I couldn't believe she had only heard a condensed version of what was going on and I was frightened of what she might say, incase she didn't think there was an issue, but she said that 'he isn't capable of having a real relationship. Everything is transactional and he will continue doing that with everyone he meets. Even his kids are a transaction."

She said that he wants someone who just idolises him - and I did - so why was that not enough? She said he wants someone to idolise him and then when they do he gets fed up. I would love someone to idolise me.But now I have it in my head it's ok to be idolised, as long as it's by a Vietnamese person.

When I told her his kids don't talk to him she said that tells me all I need to know. She stressed it's nothing to do with me, that this is him, what he does and it has nothing to do with race, nationality, skin colour - although I do still struggle to believe it. She said that he has treated me terribly, so wrong, and that he doesn't deserve another second of my time.

I just don't know if I will ever stop loving him or be able to get him out of my mind. But I want to, I've had enough now. The counsellor said 'let him go and find less then', so maybe that's what I should do. I absolutely know in my heart he will never find anyone who loves him with the depth that I do and I guess, that is his loss. I'm not Asian, I'm not stick thin, but I am real and I would have done anything for him. He won't find that again.

He seems content to keep running towards misery, rather than from it, going back to a country where he has said his ex has treated him terribly but wants to maintain contact with her family for whatever strange reason, leaving his own kids behind him. The thing that scares me is that in the past he has said 'those women are....', implying they are better, or sexier or something. He even got turned on by ladyboys, which I obviously can't compete with.

I'm not sure I will ever get over it. In my head, he is something that maybe he is not. I trusted him. I thought he was someone who was a good man who would never hurt anyone, but it seems I have been very wrong. I don't know who the man is who held me in his arms as I slept and told me I was his soulmate - the man who knew that I had loved him so much for YEARS before ever admitting to it. Who is he? How did he change from 'the most beautiful man' to someone who shouted at me, humiliated me and decided to tell people he wasn't comfortable with me using his cup even though we had been intimate together, the man who told my colleagues he was 'hiding in the toilets' and told people to tell me that. Who is he? I had this version of him in my head where it's me and him, just watching tv or going on holiday like he said we would. It's like he took off a mask and put on another one. I feel so incredibly stupid for falling in love.

The behaviour has me screwed up so badly because I don't know whether I am any of the good things he said. I only know how much I loved him, but that was wrong too apparently in how I expressed myself. Then I hear he's jealous when he hears someone else is showing me attention. I'm angry too because he kept saying 'I just need time, just give me time'. I gave him 4 years of my life, and had had feelings for him even before that and he KNEW this. But he pushed me away at every single step and his to-ing and fro-ing although something I thought I could handle, has just been too much even for someone as strong as I have been in other areas of my life. How anyone could suggest sleeping in my Mum's room with me knowing I'd lost her, saying he'd be with me every step of the way and then desert me the next morning.... I thought it was due to my less than perfect body.

I won't be going near any men again, I know that much. I'd always be waiting for the other shoe to drop. I just want to concentrate on myself and my pets. Even if people think that's sad, the love I have for them surpasses everything else. I know I am kind, I know I am loyal and I know no matter what he did I always tried to show him that I accepted him for all his issues, it was very real love for me. But it was never ever good enough and that is the big issue I'm left with. I have become so focussed on not being thin or pretty enough or put together well enough that it's eating away at me to the point I've made myself so ill.

So I asked the Lifeline lady if I could have some counselling sessions and I have to wait until tomorrow for a referral callback. I'm really hoping it helps.

I have to stress none of this takes away from any of the wonderful support you guys have given. I do maintain that there are certain things that some people never ever recover from and I struggle to believe there will ever be a time his face leaves my mind. I hope in time it does and that I can start to feel better about myself and that his criticism and the pain he and others who have been involved can fade. In some ways it feels like the start of completely letting him go, which I thought I would never have to do. Nearly crying saying that. I hadn't imagined any world for the past few years where I'd have to live without him. He's the only man I've ever truly loved and this is gonna be really hard.

I hope I can report back.

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kellygoeswest · 30/09/2025 12:13

I just want to say you've written out the above really well, it's clear you covered a lot of ground on the call.

The counsellor made a great point with this - "he isn't capable of having a real relationship. Everything is transactional and he will continue doing that with everyone he meets. Even his kids are a transaction."

I also want to add please don't ever let any person make you believe that it's sad to prioritise your animals (and yourself!). My animals are my world and from the sounds of it yours are too.

Hopefully the sessions she arranges are positive for you!! This seems like such a good start though 💜

skyeisthelimit · 30/09/2025 12:50

OP, well done on taking that first step. Counselling should help you a lot. I had years of counselling after XH left. I just couldn't come to terms with him walking out on me and our 4yo DD and destroying the life that we had. I kep saying why did he, how could he. He lied about OW too, although is married to her now. I had different types of counselling, all via free channels and the talking was the best of all. The final one that I saw helped to me face up to a different future, to understand that it didn't matter how much I loved him or wanted him back, it wasn't going to happen.

She made me realise that the more you distance yourself from the problem, the smaller it is - imagine climbing a tower looking down on it, it gets smaller and smaller.

Good luck, and it really is him, not you, but you need to get that help to stop obsessing over him so that you can move on with your life

YourBrickTiger · 30/09/2025 14:00

skyeisthelimit · 30/09/2025 12:50

OP, well done on taking that first step. Counselling should help you a lot. I had years of counselling after XH left. I just couldn't come to terms with him walking out on me and our 4yo DD and destroying the life that we had. I kep saying why did he, how could he. He lied about OW too, although is married to her now. I had different types of counselling, all via free channels and the talking was the best of all. The final one that I saw helped to me face up to a different future, to understand that it didn't matter how much I loved him or wanted him back, it wasn't going to happen.

She made me realise that the more you distance yourself from the problem, the smaller it is - imagine climbing a tower looking down on it, it gets smaller and smaller.

Good luck, and it really is him, not you, but you need to get that help to stop obsessing over him so that you can move on with your life

I just need to start believing my life is worth something. I have been through a lot which I don't think I give myself enough credit for. Lost both my parents, my brother has fallen out with me because I tried to help him, and I don't have any family or close friends in this country that go any sort of extra mile for me. But I've met a wonderful friend on here and some really lovely people.

It's this always thinking someone else is better than me that I'm not enough that is half the battle. My self esteem is so low that I ALWAYS think people are having a go or have another agenda now.

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YourBrickTiger · 30/09/2025 14:08

kellygoeswest · 30/09/2025 12:13

I just want to say you've written out the above really well, it's clear you covered a lot of ground on the call.

The counsellor made a great point with this - "he isn't capable of having a real relationship. Everything is transactional and he will continue doing that with everyone he meets. Even his kids are a transaction."

I also want to add please don't ever let any person make you believe that it's sad to prioritise your animals (and yourself!). My animals are my world and from the sounds of it yours are too.

Hopefully the sessions she arranges are positive for you!! This seems like such a good start though 💜

Oh and PS, nothing and no one will EVER come above those fur babies 😘

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