Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

The final straw-ripping up his Father’s Day card?

204 replies

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 09:01

Just wanted to know if I am over reacting. After an argument last night about the lack of intimacy in our relationship, my partner has ripped up his Father’s Day card from the kids. I’m so angry and sad. It seems to nasty to do that. I found it in the bin, not them. I feel like this might be the final thing that makes me separate but I feel awful guilt about splitting the family up.

OP posts:
IdLikeABackMassage · 16/06/2025 11:37

Do you have family, or even friends, you and the dc could stay with while the house is being sold? I'm concerned you'll need protection in case he gets dangerous when you tell him it's over.

ButteredRadish · 16/06/2025 11:39

He’s angry at your kids because he doesn’t get enough sex with you? Huh????
I’m getting the impression that if you split, he may lose interest in the kids…. I never in a million years thought my ex capable of abandoning our DC but he bloody did.

mindutopia · 16/06/2025 11:41

This is absolutely heartbreaking. It would be it for me. So you wouldn’t give him sex when he demanded and he ripped up a card with his children’s faces on it to spite you? He’s a horrible man.

There are lots of people out here who have struggled with mental health issues and a lot of complex trauma and difficult childhoods. We aren’t, generally, being massive jerks to our children. He should be seeing his children as a way to do it right for the next generation. Instead sounds like he’s just passing on down all the same old abuse.

I had a dad we had to tiptoe around. I’m grateful my mum got us out of there and I had a good childhood after that. My children are getting to have a family life very different to what mine was like early on as a result.

CautiousLurker01 · 16/06/2025 11:42

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 09:01

Just wanted to know if I am over reacting. After an argument last night about the lack of intimacy in our relationship, my partner has ripped up his Father’s Day card from the kids. I’m so angry and sad. It seems to nasty to do that. I found it in the bin, not them. I feel like this might be the final thing that makes me separate but I feel awful guilt about splitting the family up.

He’s the one splitting up the family, not you. The kids will notice the card is gone and they will have noticed the tension and his attitude. It is damaging them to stay together.

What he did was unforgivable in my book. You don’t weaponise your kids. Bastard.

rainbowstardrops · 16/06/2025 11:43

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 11:20

Children are 5 and 9 he is the primary carer and works part-time. I am full time as I am the higher earner. I feel like I can leave on the quiet as I need to sell the house to afford to move out.

So not little toddlers and old enough to have potentially seen the ripped up card and been upset. What a fucked up prick!

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 11:53

He feels that I am transactional in our intimate relationship, and he raised it in a calm manner last night and how he feels is valid. I just don’t see how we get from that to here. Even the most furious of arguments should not it end with such a petty act. I need to keep reading the thread to remind myself I am not wrong.

OP posts:
Teenybub · 16/06/2025 11:54

Please protect your children, my mum was like him by the sounds of it and it was awful. I remember a present being binned and when I asked why I was told because it didn’t mean anything because it was something we had just gotten from a shop, I had saved pocket money for it and spent ages deciding. The next time I made her a cushion in an after school club and she chucked it in a cupboard because it hurt her to look at it because I wasn’t even willing to spend money on her. We would always be living on eggshells.

Heronwatcher · 16/06/2025 11:55

He’s a manipulator. He took a perfectly nice, normal occasion, decided to spoil it and is now blaming you. All of that is deliberate, therapy or not.

If he doesn’t want reminding of Father’s Day I hope you suggested he get everything else and you’d be happy to take it to the tip. Note how he appears to have kept everything else and just binned the which he knew would hurt you.

Honestly if my partner did anything so awful I’d be out of there with the kids. My partner has to be forced to part with stuff, once my daughter wrote him a note on a Tesco receipt and he wouldn’t bin it! I genuinely don’t think he’d physically be able to rip a photo of their faces up. Do you really want your kids growing up on eggshells, being used as a tool to hurt you and feeling like nothing is ever good enough?

24CRZZNKKA · 16/06/2025 11:56

Aw that's really horrible OP. I would have been really upset at this too.

AliasGrape · 16/06/2025 11:58

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 11:53

He feels that I am transactional in our intimate relationship, and he raised it in a calm manner last night and how he feels is valid. I just don’t see how we get from that to here. Even the most furious of arguments should not it end with such a petty act. I need to keep reading the thread to remind myself I am not wrong.

What does 'transactional in our intimate relationship' even mean?

Is it valid - really?

Sounds like therapy speak to me. And it's interesting that after all these rounds of therapy, the issue he choosing to raise, argue about and rip up a photo of his children over is the spectacularly unoriginal 'you don't have sex with me enough, or in the exact way I want, and if you do you're not enthusiastic enough about it'.

Him saying it's 'transactional' implies that you expect to be treated decently in order to feel like having sex, and he sees this as grossly unfair because in his mind he should get to have sex with you anyway.

WinSomeandLoseSome · 16/06/2025 11:59

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 09:35

No, it was a personalised card with a picture of the kids on the front. So I saw their ripped up faces when I opened the bin. He’s not chucked his gifts or the homemade stuff thry made.

That's awful.

DreamCircle · 16/06/2025 12:02

This actually broke my heart. Poor darling kids, and you! It just seems so cruel and unnecessary. You are definitely not overreacting! I would be so very upset in this situation.

AngelicKaty · 16/06/2025 12:02

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 10:20

He’s texted me now. He ripped it up because he says the kids had nothing to do with it and it was a tick box exercise. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter the reason. This is so unhealthy, I really think it’s done.

You're right to be done. The card had a photo of his children on it and he tore it up - who does that? He could have removed/saved the photo and tore up the rest of the card to make his nasty point, but what normal parent would tear up a photo of their children? 😥

pikkumyy77 · 16/06/2025 12:03

Don’t mistake his calm “style” as non abusive—its just a kind of affectation covering his inner turmoil and the ripping up and posing of the card is a more true reflection of his inner violence. And you know it and feel it deep down.

Be very, very, very careful. This man can and will appear calm and reasonable snd will use therapy speak and his supposed traumatic childhood to manipulate you and everyone around you.

Stay calm, non reactive, and internally firm. See a solicitor who specializes in high conflict separations where children are involved. You will need support from an expert. As you are not married things are easier financially but he is going to try to hurt you through the children.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/06/2025 12:05

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 09:35

No, it was a personalised card with a picture of the kids on the front. So I saw their ripped up faces when I opened the bin. He’s not chucked his gifts or the homemade stuff thry made.

What an absolute cunt he is. What sort of dad would tear up a personalised card with pictures of their kids' faces and leave it face up in the bin for them to find? I couldn't even look at him any more.

AngelicKaty · 16/06/2025 12:10

thepariscrimefiles · 16/06/2025 12:05

What an absolute cunt he is. What sort of dad would tear up a personalised card with pictures of their kids' faces and leave it face up in the bin for them to find? I couldn't even look at him any more.

I agree and I can totally empathise with why this feels like the final straw for OP - I think it would be for the overwhelming majority of people. I bet he wouldn't tell his therapist he'd done this!

babyproblems · 16/06/2025 12:17

What a horrible thing to do. He’s weaponising the kids. It sounds like he is not a good partner or a good father!!!

Bettyfromlondon · 16/06/2025 12:18

Odd as it may sound, I would retrieve the pieces of the card and keep them somewhere safe just in case. It may be useful when he tries to present as a doting father who is the main carer.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 16/06/2025 12:18

Also referring to your partner's moodiness, that is also an abusive strategy. Zawn Villines talks about this sometimes:

"Chronic grumpiness: How men use bad moods to control their partners
When you never learn to control your emotions, you expect everyone else to manage them for you--and can extract a lot of free labor in the process.

If you believe the way men behave, they’re deeply unhappy and angry most of the time—at least they are when moodiness is unlikely to affect their well-being.
Somehow, most men manage to act normal at work, around friends, around people whose opinion they care about. But over and over again, readers tell me about men whose moodiness erodes the well-being of an entire family, destroys every vacation, and makes it impossible for anyone to ever relax.

The bad moods come in two basic flavors:

  1. The hostile, aggressive version: The aggressive man reacts swiftly and angrily when he does not get his way. He may smash things, call his partner names, or sulk for days. His bad mood can make the entire household feel anxious and uncertain.
  2. The pathetic, demanding version: The pathetic man constantly puts his misery on display, demanding endless emotional support from his partner for even the smallest slights. He offers no emotional support in return—and if she demands it, he may become aggressive. His bad mood makes an entire household feel like they can’t enjoy themselves.

We all have mood swings from time to time. Emotionally healthy people, though, feel generally responsible for their behavior and their moods, and endeavor to control both.

Entitled manbabies blame everyone else, and demand they all suffer through their moodiness. This can look like:

  • giving the silent treatment whenever he doesn’t get his way
  • spending days sulking after a minor fight
  • taking work disputes out on the family
  • ruining every vacation or holiday with a bad mood
  • doing nothing to help with presents, parties, or other major undertakings, then sulking when the event arrives
  • reacting to everything anyone else says with hostility and derision
  • making no effort to be pleasant
  • valuing his own time and needs over everyone else’s
  • expecting effort and affection from others that he never offers, and for which he never shows gratitude
  • a sense of entitlement
So why do so many men do this? And why is it so effective? To understand this, you must first understand that most men are never taught that they must make others comfortable by regulating their emotions.

I’m doing a divorce survey ... Women are overwhelmingly telling me that their male partners’ bad moods were a key factor in their decision to divorce. They describe an environment of pervasive, all-encompassing misery, of men who absolutely refuse to be happy, and who go to great lengths to display their misery to everyone—everyone, that is, except their co-workers, employers, and others who expect them to behave appropriately in return for resources..."

zawn.substack.com/p/chronic-grumpiness-how-men-use-bad

Ruining every vacation with a bad mood: The weapons sexist men use series (paid subscriber bonus)

Bad moods are a major tool men use to control women. And controlling women on vacation means more down time and rest for him. So of course he's going to be in a "bad mood."

https://zawn.substack.com/p/ruining-every-vacation-with-a-bad

mukk · 16/06/2025 12:20

Nowheregirl2000 · 16/06/2025 11:53

He feels that I am transactional in our intimate relationship, and he raised it in a calm manner last night and how he feels is valid. I just don’t see how we get from that to here. Even the most furious of arguments should not it end with such a petty act. I need to keep reading the thread to remind myself I am not wrong.

He must be on reddit, many tantrums thrown there yesterday because there was no sex on fathers day!!

Transactional in what way?
What some people consider to be 'transactional' is actually just a normal sexual relationship among couples.

Absolutely disgusting that he ripped up the card.

LivelyMintViper · 16/06/2025 12:24

Have you asked him how he would feel if the DC had found the card? Horrible man.

Theroadt · 16/06/2025 12:25

The kids aren’t responsible for his navigation through therapy. Nor is it an excuse, frankly. You kinda put all that on the backburner when you havd kids imho. Can he movd oug until he’s had his therapy?

MounjaroMounjaro · 16/06/2025 12:25

I would definitely want to leave him. Giving him the very best interpretation he sounds too damaged to be in a relationship. Giving him my own interpretation, he uses his past as a weapon and an excuse.

My only concern about you separating is what happens with childcare. Is he going to say that the children need to stay with him?

Enrichetta · 16/06/2025 12:29

To summarise….

  • you are treading on eggshells and suppressing your own emotions
  • you feel much calmer and contented when he is not around
  • you’re not keen to be intimate with him - and he isn’t doing anything to try and make you feel more connected
  • he has long term mental health issues but therapy isn’t really helping
  • you would like to leave him but you are worried about how this will affect your children
Your children are at an age where they will very soon become aware of what is going on, and they too will start treading on eggshells. Is that what you want for them…
JLou08 · 16/06/2025 12:36

That's emotional abuse. Poor kids, it would have been devastating for them if they found it.

Swipe left for the next trending thread