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DH messages from “Pick me!”

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Sus808 · 24/05/2025 11:54

Here I am, being that wife who finds messages on her husbands computer.

FFS, just finished typing and noticed how long this is, so sorry about that and I realise many can’t be arsed to read something this long!

Back story: DH used to work with this woman (single with a young kid), very good time girl, in there with all the men being one of the lads if you will, first one to suggest shots, “let’s all go to the casino/strip club”, full of ‘bants’… you get the picture. DH started to get mentionitis about her a lot, they’d talk a lot - this was pre covid so not as much Teams talk etc, but like catch up in the car on long journeys which centred around work but lots of lighthearted personal talk too (I know this because I was once in the car with him during one of these calls - she said on that call that he was being weird, which I assumed because I was in the car he wasn’t being as forthcoming with his chat as usual. I could feel around this time that he was basically having his head turned, but also felt she probably wouldn’t be physically attracted to him as she’s quite a lot more attractive than DH

Sorry realising this is getting long, but want to paint a full picture

She also came to our evening wedding reception and a lot of people mentioned to me how she was a bit handsy and flirtatious with DH (bearing in mind I’d said nothing about her to anyone). We then went to another wedding and she was there and sat out our table - she was OTT with all the men there, sitting on knees etc, getting drunk - I think at this point (maybe due to my comments and looks from others) DH realised what she was like and that she was like this with lots of men, not just him. She went up to her room with some random (much younger) man and I reckon DH was jealous of this as he got hammered and behaved very badly when we got back to the room.

They didn’t actually work together by this point but were still in the same industry. I told DH that the friendship/relationship with her made me uncomfortable and they stopped contact then. He hasn’t mentioned her and has been coy/awkward about her ever since. I saw a few years ago that she’d messaged him on Facebook messenger and he’d not replied. I’ve casually asked him a couple of times if he ever hears from her and he’s said no.

About two months ago DH and I were discussing a new phrase we’d heard: a “pick me” girl - I said that (let’s call her) Steph came to my mind straight away when I heard that phrase as she was the epitome of it. DH looked awkward and said nothing and that conversation ended.

Right finally we are up to today! DH went out and I needed to use the printer so went into his office to find his computer still logged on with all sorts opened on the screen. A WhatsApp message popped up on a group chat with his mates and it looked to be something pornographic so I scrolled through so see what kind of conversation they’d been having - turned out to be nothing but I noticed the contact beneath was Steph! Although named as Dave. I just recognised her picture. So I’ve scrolled through the messages and he’s been having regular contact with her since this time last year (that’s how far back the messages go) - now most of these messages are work related - they work in the same industry and have been discussing work related stuff in a very casual manner, asking about ex colleagues who have applied to work at their place etc, nothing flirtatious whatsoever. But they have been chatting at least fortnightly for a year and he’s not mentioned it. Also there’s “Are you at such and such conference today? Cool, I’ll come and find you there.”

I have looked her up on social media just now and she appears to be in a long term relationship with a woman, so looks like I’ve got nothing to worry about on that front (although I probably never did have anything to worry about regarding her interest in my DH), but obviously I’m pissed off that he’s been secretly in touch with this woman for so long and not said a word - because he knows I’ll be pissed off. The work chat looks innocent, but neither is it necessary - just like “Are you using X system? Is it any good” “John has applied for a job with us, what’s your opinion on him?” “Can you share my LinkedIn post? Cheers mate.”

I shouldn’t have snooped but I have. DH left computer logged on so isn’t being secretive, but Steph is saved as Dave and they’ve been chatting even this morning. DH is home now and is downstairs while I am upstairs. I keep going into the office hoping she’ll respond to his latest message (from this morning) so I can say I’ve seen her pop up, but she’s not done. What can I say to DH to get this conversation started without admitting that I’ve snooped? And what do I even want the outcome to be?!

OP posts:
DeSoleil · 24/05/2025 12:00

Are you sure there isn’t actually someone called Dave who is in a relationship with Steph and has her photo as his profile picture? It seems odd after being all over men that she’s now with a woman.

Todaytodaytodaytoday · 24/05/2025 12:05

Seeing as this woman is no threat it seems the main problem here is his lying . Given that she was never really considered a threat by you in the first place, I am not sure why you asked him to stop seeing her. Is that right or did you just say you were not comfortable?Perhaps he thought that was unreasonable, but didn’t want to say. In any case he should have been honest with you, and you probably need to have a conversation with him about it, even if that means you explaining how you came to read the messages.

Todaytodaytodaytoday · 24/05/2025 12:06

DeSoleil · 24/05/2025 12:00

Are you sure there isn’t actually someone called Dave who is in a relationship with Steph and has her photo as his profile picture? It seems odd after being all over men that she’s now with a woman.

Yes I thought that was odd too. Hopefully that’s the case. I wonder how you could find out?

dudsville · 24/05/2025 12:09

Could Dave be a nickname? My DH has female friend called Barry. They used to work together decades ago, and the name stuck following some funny misunderstanding at work. Christmas cards are to and from Barry and her husband.

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 24/05/2025 12:13

If it was an innocent friendship it wouldn't have brought lies to your marriage...
So you be honest if he can't.. And tell him what you found...

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:16

No she’s definitely with a woman now and not someone called Dave. Her name isn’t actually just saved as Dave, it’s for example “Tesco Dave” with Tesco being a system DH accesses at work. But she doesn’t work for Tesco if you know what I mean. I’m 100% on the fact that it’s her and he has disguised her contact details. I quite often walk into his office while he’s working so if “Steph” was to pop up then I’d notice, whereas “Tesco Dave” wouldn’t raise any questions or suspicions.

She was never a threat in one way in that I don’t think she’d have ever been interested in my DH physically, but she was clearly an attention seeker and loved having men wanting her. She was a threat though in that I definitely think she turned my DHs head and who knows, she could’ve got drunk and taken things further - it felt at the time like if the offer had been there when both drunk that things could’ve gone that way if she’d wanted them to.

She was a threat in that she could’ve ruined my relationship if she’d wanted to IYSWIM

OP posts:
Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:19

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 24/05/2025 12:13

If it was an innocent friendship it wouldn't have brought lies to your marriage...
So you be honest if he can't.. And tell him what you found...

I feel like if I said today “Have you heard from Steph recently?” that he’d confess (probably because he’d think “shit, she knows we’ve been speaking!”) So I’d rather do that than admit I’ve been snooping, but I’ve got no reason to just come out and ask that. Plus if I did that today, would it be obvious that I’d seen a recent WhatsApp chat with her because he knew I was in the office printing this morning.

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Lostinmyself · 24/05/2025 12:21

This is a tough one. His lies seem to be the main issue here. Hope she replied soon and u can bring it up

RealEagle · 24/05/2025 12:21

So are you saying he is only with you because she didn’t want him?

healthybychristmas · 24/05/2025 12:22

I would see his determination to keep this relationship with her as fatal to my marriage, tbh. He's putting himself and her first. Do you have children together?

AnotherNaCha · 24/05/2025 12:24

Hmm not sure if this is good advice, but I’d likely lose my shit and shout that I knew he was lying and WTF was he? I couldn’t contain it. I think it’s important he knows this is upsetting.

Wiser advice is probably to stay cool and ask the same question

Oh and she might be bisexual so still a threat

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:25

But then if he did admit it, he would do it coyly rather than confidently “Oh yes, I forgot to say we’ve been sharing info on X” because he knows what my feelings were before. I thought she was a dick as a person, but it was him who was the issue, it was him who allowed the relationship to get to where it was and it was clear to me he had an interest in her and it was like he admitted it to himself when he knew that I knew, and therefore withdrew.
I would still have an issue with them being in contact now despite her being with a woman and their contact being work related, because he knew what my issue was all those years ago and he’s decided to have contact with her again and has never mentioned it and is hiding the fact that he’s speaking to her under a fake name. He can say nothing is going on and I believe there isn’t, but why the secrecy? I suppose because he knows I’ll be pissed off, but in that case, why is he in contact again? As I say it’s not necessary for work anymore and it seems to very regular, and even with meet ups

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Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:26

RealEagle · 24/05/2025 12:21

So are you saying he is only with you because she didn’t want him?

no I don’t think so, more just that when I pointed out that he’d had his head turned and their relationship was pushing boundaries, it was like he thought “shit, you’re right”

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Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:28

healthybychristmas · 24/05/2025 12:22

I would see his determination to keep this relationship with her as fatal to my marriage, tbh. He's putting himself and her first. Do you have children together?

Yes, one 10 year old. He openly told her the code to access his computer this morning while I was in the room so maybe I can recruit her to log on and open their conversation LOL
I’m joking!

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WinterSunglasses · 24/05/2025 12:29

I’ve casually asked him a couple of times if he ever hears from her and he’s said no

So he has definitely outright lied about this when you've asked. I would be unhappy about actual physical meetings for sure, as that seems like a real danger point for things to go further.

What is your marriage like otherwise? Are you at the point of threatening him with ending it or is everything good except for this, or where are you in between?

Headingtowardsdivorce · 24/05/2025 12:31

I seem to be the only person thinking this, but my view is that you have been a bit controlling by telling him who he can be friends with and now you've gone snooping on his computer. I wouldn't be happy if I was him.

bigvig · 24/05/2025 12:32

She might be bi OP. She might be one of those women so desperate for male attention she starts a relationship with a woman to increase her appeal - if you know what I mean. It's pathetic either way and I wouldn't trust that nothing has happened if he's gone to the lengths of hiding his communications with her.

PaulKnickerless · 24/05/2025 12:32

She’s could well be bisexual. The subterfuge on his part is not ok. I would be clear what you want from your H and where your boundaries like before you approach him.

chlodk · 24/05/2025 12:34

At this moment in time you’re both being deceitful. Wouldn’t it be healthier to sit down and say you saw the friends group chat and curiosity got the better of you and you noticed Steph was still in regular communication. Tell him how it makes you feel etc. Better to get it ironed out once and for all.

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:35

WinterSunglasses · 24/05/2025 12:29

I’ve casually asked him a couple of times if he ever hears from her and he’s said no

So he has definitely outright lied about this when you've asked. I would be unhappy about actual physical meetings for sure, as that seems like a real danger point for things to go further.

What is your marriage like otherwise? Are you at the point of threatening him with ending it or is everything good except for this, or where are you in between?

I’ve asked him over the years since they seemed to break off contact, but these messages with her only go back to May last year and I haven’t asked him in the last twelve months. I’ve only mentioned her when we were talking about “pick me girls” and the conversation ended as soon as I mentioned her name.

Relationship is fine other than that - not exactly ripping each others clothes off as we’ve been together 20 years. I would describe things as content rather than stale. Both happy enough with how things are as far as I know!

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Pinkflowersinavase · 24/05/2025 12:35

He behaved badly on your wedding night?????

category12 · 24/05/2025 12:37

Um, if she went up to her room with a bloke at the wedding reception, she's probably bi-sexual not lesbian.

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:38

Headingtowardsdivorce · 24/05/2025 12:31

I seem to be the only person thinking this, but my view is that you have been a bit controlling by telling him who he can be friends with and now you've gone snooping on his computer. I wouldn't be happy if I was him.

I didn’t tell him to stop being friends with her, I just said after seeing them together it made me feel a bit uncomfortable. I said it felt like his head had been turned. It felt at the time like he maybe thought “Shit, yes, what am I doing?” & that was also at the time I think he saw her for what she was as she was throwing herself at all these men at a wedding.

As I said I didn’t really go snooping, just a message popped up with his mates that looked inappropriate and then I saw beneath than her photo on WhatsApp, and yes I did then read the messages between them both.

I don’t feel that controlling, but???

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TossieFleacake · 24/05/2025 12:39

It's all very well planning to ask him if he's heard from her, and hoping he will come clean ... but what if he doesn't and continues to deny contact?
How will you react? Will you tell him then that you've seen messages?

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:40

bigvig · 24/05/2025 12:32

She might be bi OP. She might be one of those women so desperate for male attention she starts a relationship with a woman to increase her appeal - if you know what I mean. It's pathetic either way and I wouldn't trust that nothing has happened if he's gone to the lengths of hiding his communications with her.

TBH that’s what it felt like when I met her and saw how she behaved, she was the type that would dirty dance with or snog another woman to get male attention. But then as I say she now appears to be in a happy long term relationship with a woman so I don’t think she’d be doing that just for attention.

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