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DH messages from “Pick me!”

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Sus808 · 24/05/2025 11:54

Here I am, being that wife who finds messages on her husbands computer.

FFS, just finished typing and noticed how long this is, so sorry about that and I realise many can’t be arsed to read something this long!

Back story: DH used to work with this woman (single with a young kid), very good time girl, in there with all the men being one of the lads if you will, first one to suggest shots, “let’s all go to the casino/strip club”, full of ‘bants’… you get the picture. DH started to get mentionitis about her a lot, they’d talk a lot - this was pre covid so not as much Teams talk etc, but like catch up in the car on long journeys which centred around work but lots of lighthearted personal talk too (I know this because I was once in the car with him during one of these calls - she said on that call that he was being weird, which I assumed because I was in the car he wasn’t being as forthcoming with his chat as usual. I could feel around this time that he was basically having his head turned, but also felt she probably wouldn’t be physically attracted to him as she’s quite a lot more attractive than DH

Sorry realising this is getting long, but want to paint a full picture

She also came to our evening wedding reception and a lot of people mentioned to me how she was a bit handsy and flirtatious with DH (bearing in mind I’d said nothing about her to anyone). We then went to another wedding and she was there and sat out our table - she was OTT with all the men there, sitting on knees etc, getting drunk - I think at this point (maybe due to my comments and looks from others) DH realised what she was like and that she was like this with lots of men, not just him. She went up to her room with some random (much younger) man and I reckon DH was jealous of this as he got hammered and behaved very badly when we got back to the room.

They didn’t actually work together by this point but were still in the same industry. I told DH that the friendship/relationship with her made me uncomfortable and they stopped contact then. He hasn’t mentioned her and has been coy/awkward about her ever since. I saw a few years ago that she’d messaged him on Facebook messenger and he’d not replied. I’ve casually asked him a couple of times if he ever hears from her and he’s said no.

About two months ago DH and I were discussing a new phrase we’d heard: a “pick me” girl - I said that (let’s call her) Steph came to my mind straight away when I heard that phrase as she was the epitome of it. DH looked awkward and said nothing and that conversation ended.

Right finally we are up to today! DH went out and I needed to use the printer so went into his office to find his computer still logged on with all sorts opened on the screen. A WhatsApp message popped up on a group chat with his mates and it looked to be something pornographic so I scrolled through so see what kind of conversation they’d been having - turned out to be nothing but I noticed the contact beneath was Steph! Although named as Dave. I just recognised her picture. So I’ve scrolled through the messages and he’s been having regular contact with her since this time last year (that’s how far back the messages go) - now most of these messages are work related - they work in the same industry and have been discussing work related stuff in a very casual manner, asking about ex colleagues who have applied to work at their place etc, nothing flirtatious whatsoever. But they have been chatting at least fortnightly for a year and he’s not mentioned it. Also there’s “Are you at such and such conference today? Cool, I’ll come and find you there.”

I have looked her up on social media just now and she appears to be in a long term relationship with a woman, so looks like I’ve got nothing to worry about on that front (although I probably never did have anything to worry about regarding her interest in my DH), but obviously I’m pissed off that he’s been secretly in touch with this woman for so long and not said a word - because he knows I’ll be pissed off. The work chat looks innocent, but neither is it necessary - just like “Are you using X system? Is it any good” “John has applied for a job with us, what’s your opinion on him?” “Can you share my LinkedIn post? Cheers mate.”

I shouldn’t have snooped but I have. DH left computer logged on so isn’t being secretive, but Steph is saved as Dave and they’ve been chatting even this morning. DH is home now and is downstairs while I am upstairs. I keep going into the office hoping she’ll respond to his latest message (from this morning) so I can say I’ve seen her pop up, but she’s not done. What can I say to DH to get this conversation started without admitting that I’ve snooped? And what do I even want the outcome to be?!

OP posts:
Sus808 · 24/05/2025 17:10

MsDitsy · 24/05/2025 16:56

Was it 'do you want to come to sports with me'? Or with a group, as in come with us? I totally get why you are upset, changing the name to Dave is either a way to keep you off the scent regarding contact or a personal/intimate joke. My friends husband calls her Terry occasionally, when we asked why she blushed and wouldn't say, it was cute and funny at the same time.

It didn’t specify who else would be going, if anyone. Random her asking him though as it’s not a sport he’s into and it’s located nowhere near where we live.
I’m convinced the name is definitely as a disguise not a private joke because it’s coupled with a company name/ systems provider they will have both used for work in the past, but not anymore and neither does she work for them. I know her number used to be saved as her name when they used to work together as it wouldn’t regularly be flashing up on his phone as a call or message from her. The “Tesco Dave” is just a very bland generic name that wouldn’t have raised any suspicions or questions if I saw it pop up whilst I was in the room or near him when he received it - he’s probably got “Tesco John” saved for example as that will actually be John from Tesco messaging him with a legitimate question.

OP posts:
Anditsherewegoagain · 24/05/2025 17:11

Well I think OP's H doesn't come out of this very well:

Goes to casinos and strip clubs with his work colleagues.

Had inappropriate conversations with this woman when she worked with him.

Clearly was sexualy interested in this woman and got ott drunk and behaved badly because she had sex with someone else at the wedding they were guests at.

Conducts inappropriate conversations on a computer his dd has the password to.

And apparently has been secretively keeping in contact with this same woman and meeting up with her at conferences etc.

I wonder what his good points are?

PoliteRaven · 24/05/2025 17:16

The history seems to be the unconfirmed assumption that DH had a tantrum at a wedding over her.

Good point @GYBE4 it was an unconfirmed hunch .....

and we also don't know if this behaviour was out of character for him.

Threestripesswoosh · 24/05/2025 17:21

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 12:38

I didn’t tell him to stop being friends with her, I just said after seeing them together it made me feel a bit uncomfortable. I said it felt like his head had been turned. It felt at the time like he maybe thought “Shit, yes, what am I doing?” & that was also at the time I think he saw her for what she was as she was throwing herself at all these men at a wedding.

As I said I didn’t really go snooping, just a message popped up with his mates that looked inappropriate and then I saw beneath than her photo on WhatsApp, and yes I did then read the messages between them both.

I don’t feel that controlling, but???

You don’t sound controlling.

RedRobin32 · 24/05/2025 17:24

Sus808 · 24/05/2025 13:31

Yes to all of this, thank you!

If it was all based on now I would have no issue whatsoever - platonic professional chat, not talking about her constantly (although now not at all despite the contact!), she appears to have grown up and calmed down a lot. DH chats with plenty of female colleagues and I have no issues about that whatsoever, I never have - it was just this situation and this woman whereby issues arose. But it’s not just based on now, it’s based on then and now it’s based on the secrecy.

I am going to bring it up, just need to decide how best and when. We go on holiday in a few days from now and have lots going on before departing. I can’t hold it in and not say anything, but it’s not ideal timing!

Say ”How does Dave know Steph? Isn’t it a bit strange that he has her as his profile pic. I saw the message flash up on you screen earlier when I was printing”

Threestripesswoosh · 24/05/2025 17:26

Duplicate.

Threestripesswoosh · 24/05/2025 17:26

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/05/2025 17:02

You're not the only person thinking this. I f I were DH, I'd likely be lying too and, if I found about the snooping, I'd maybe be looking to LTB

Edited

She didn’t say they couldn’t be friends. I think you’d be doing your partner a favour by LTB if you’re at the stage where you’re talking to someone you’ve flirted with on your wedding day, changing their contact details to send messages and putting the blame on your partner for snooping. What a catch. But, we’re all different.

andfinallyhereweare · 24/05/2025 17:41

Not sure if someone else has said it but forget this woman and her “flaws” that you relish in. You have a DH problem, this woman isn’t the issue.

JustSawJohnny · 24/05/2025 17:45

DeSoleil · 24/05/2025 12:00

Are you sure there isn’t actually someone called Dave who is in a relationship with Steph and has her photo as his profile picture? It seems odd after being all over men that she’s now with a woman.

ow is it weird to be bisexual?

JustSawJohnny · 24/05/2025 17:47

Agree that you have a DH problem, OP.

It doesn't sound like this woman is interested in him at all.

Him, on the other hand?

ExercicenformedeZ · 24/05/2025 17:49

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 24/05/2025 16:45

No wonder he's got her saved under a different name. He's married to the sort of woman who thinks nothing of invading his privacy just for the hell of it.

What nonsense. She isn't 'invading his privacy for the hell of it', he has given her reason to be mistrustful.

Mrsdyna · 24/05/2025 17:50

Maybe he hides it because he feels judged. Sometimes we enjoy the company of people that our partners are for whatever reason worried about but still like their company.

SpryCat · 24/05/2025 17:51

I think something did go on years ago, the call when you were in the car, when she said he sounded weird, obviously he couldn’t banter like normal in front of you! On the evening of your wedding, she was being so handsy towards him that other people noticed, I think it was because he had married you so she was showing him what he was missing. At another wedding, she was sat on your table, blatantly flirting with other men, to punish him because he was with you. She then takes a younger guy back to her room and from the sounds of it, he was pissed off, got roaring drunk and broke things in the hotel room.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, once you voiced your concerns to him, he broke contact because he was frightened of you finding out. I also think he knows she would tell you the truth if you had asked her.

They are in contact again, the messages sound innocent but he has put her under an alias, because he knows if her real name came on screen, you might notice. They might be just friends now but your H is concealing things from you. Your H either likes secrecy or has much to hide.

TheRealMrsFeltz · 24/05/2025 18:01

You’ve discovered he’s capable of deceit; he’s read the cheaters rule book of hiding her contact details and saving her under another name, of not mentioning her to you at all despite being in contact very regularly. Doesn’t really matter that it’s platonic and she’s gay, it’s his deceitful actions that are unsettling for you. If he can do it with her, who else can he do it with? Did you check any other of his contacts to see what else he’s hiding @Sus808 ?

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 24/05/2025 18:03

ExercicenformedeZ · 24/05/2025 17:49

What nonsense. She isn't 'invading his privacy for the hell of it', he has given her reason to be mistrustful.

Then she should talk to him, or leave him. Doesn't mean she gets to go nosing through his WhatsApps whenever she feels like it.

Flyswats · 24/05/2025 18:03

I don't think this should be an issue. I think he's hiding contact from you not because there's anything nefarious going on, but because you originally said you didn't like her and didn't want him to have contact.

She invited him somewhere and he said "I'd rather watch paint dry"

That's pretty obvious he is not remotely interested in her.

I think you're looking for trouble where there really is none. If you want to get into a fight, go ahead, but it strikes me as a monumental waste of energy and good will.

ZiggaZigAh · 24/05/2025 18:11

SpryCat · 24/05/2025 17:51

I think something did go on years ago, the call when you were in the car, when she said he sounded weird, obviously he couldn’t banter like normal in front of you! On the evening of your wedding, she was being so handsy towards him that other people noticed, I think it was because he had married you so she was showing him what he was missing. At another wedding, she was sat on your table, blatantly flirting with other men, to punish him because he was with you. She then takes a younger guy back to her room and from the sounds of it, he was pissed off, got roaring drunk and broke things in the hotel room.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, once you voiced your concerns to him, he broke contact because he was frightened of you finding out. I also think he knows she would tell you the truth if you had asked her.

They are in contact again, the messages sound innocent but he has put her under an alias, because he knows if her real name came on screen, you might notice. They might be just friends now but your H is concealing things from you. Your H either likes secrecy or has much to hide.

Edited

This was exactly my reading of it. Their behaviour around each other was really sus and his ‘moment of realisation’ was far more likely to be that he thought you’d found out what he’d been up to. I’d definitely be contacting her playing the ‘he’s told me all about it but I want to hear your version of events card’.

Catapultaway · 24/05/2025 18:15

kkloo · 24/05/2025 16:55

Would you think the same if the mate had been all over you and flirting on your wedding day and if you once got very angry and had a tantrum when your mate went off with another woman?

I don't think his male mate was all over him... that would be another story

mumuseli · 24/05/2025 19:27

I feel it’s very possible that yes he ‘had his head turned’ by her before, but a lot of time has passed and he probably realises now what a dick* he was being back then. In my experience, many of us (both men and women) have been guilty of that at times, ie have had crushes fuelled by flattery / our own ego.
It’s very reassuring that their messages now are so mundane.
i get that you’re annoyed that he’s been secretive about it, but he’s probably just trying to avoid the drama of discussing her. Not that I’m defending him - he shouldn’t have lied… but actually I think you say he hasn’t actually lied as you haven’t asked him over the last year about whether they’ve been in contact.

*having said that, his behaviour at that wedding was out of order!

AnaisVB · 24/05/2025 19:42

Lying is stupid and hurtful and the problem about a little lie it makes you wonder what else they have lied about.
BUT I have text a really good male friend of mine and haven’t always disclosed it ( I know that isn’t right and I was a lot younger) but it honestly didn’t mean anything and I loved my husband and never cheated or nothing happened. It’s not fair or nice but don’t blow this up , I would let him know how unhappy you are and if he’s a decent bloke then he will probably be really embarrassed and sorry hopefully . Just tell him you saw it on the screen you’re his wife you’re allowed to look at something weird!

Mumtobabyhavoc · 24/05/2025 19:55

OP doesn't actually know the extent of their chat or relationship. She only knows of chat for the past year.

In OP's shoes I would dig more before doing or saying anything. However, DH obviously still remembers OP previously expressed issues about Steph, so hides contact with her giving her a different name, Dave. That's sus behaviour. It shows he's deceitful. That's quite a character flaw in a marriage.

Why would Steph invite OP's DH out?
I find that odd.

DH has shut down the invite. Okay...
But, if I was quite friendly with a male colleague and wanted company to an event the invitation would be:
Would you and your wife be interested in joining me at X on Saturday? My partner is busy/away and I could use the company. Inviting both is the only way it should be done.

The reply, I'd rather watch paint dry, shows how friendly they are. Otherwise, No, but thank you, would show more distance. iyswim

KaleQueen · 24/05/2025 21:07

I don’t care what the backstory might be. He’s saved another woman’s contact as an alias to hide it from his wife. Yet some people thing that’s somehow okay as the OP must have driven him to it? Give your heads a wobble.

UnintentionalArcher · 24/05/2025 21:52

SpryCat · 24/05/2025 17:51

I think something did go on years ago, the call when you were in the car, when she said he sounded weird, obviously he couldn’t banter like normal in front of you! On the evening of your wedding, she was being so handsy towards him that other people noticed, I think it was because he had married you so she was showing him what he was missing. At another wedding, she was sat on your table, blatantly flirting with other men, to punish him because he was with you. She then takes a younger guy back to her room and from the sounds of it, he was pissed off, got roaring drunk and broke things in the hotel room.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, once you voiced your concerns to him, he broke contact because he was frightened of you finding out. I also think he knows she would tell you the truth if you had asked her.

They are in contact again, the messages sound innocent but he has put her under an alias, because he knows if her real name came on screen, you might notice. They might be just friends now but your H is concealing things from you. Your H either likes secrecy or has much to hide.

Edited

I think this is also a reasonable possibility

Catoo · 24/05/2025 23:10

At the wedding where he was clearly jealous that she slept with someone else, what did he say when you asked him why he was so upset?

For me I would have been suspecting something was going on. And she wanted him to be jealous.

Did he meet her when you were already engaged?

MsDDxx · 25/05/2025 00:39

Hwi · 24/05/2025 15:41

It is really not OK not to understand that husband and wife are one and there could be no private messages in a marriage. Ever.

Well that (and your previous post) is utterly bonkers and there’s very few married couples who would be happy to live that way - besides the controlling ones of course.

What you’ve described is NOT a marriage I’d ever want to be in. I never look at my husband’s phone, nor he mine. You know why? We trust each other without ever feeling the need to do so. You may be married, but you’re not one person. You’re still two separate entities.

Your poor husband.