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Your advice needed - split up or not

179 replies

CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 14:32

Hi fellow mumsnetters, i could do with a bit of your insight and advice.

I’ve been with this man for about 10months now amd situation arose (again) which makes me question whether this is right for me. I will write down some facts that i think are relevant as objectively as i can and without passing my own judgement.

We are both divorced, i’m on friendly terms with my ex and we coparent and rub along allright. All i would expect from amicable divorce. My partner, he had a difficult divorce, she is a narcissist and gaslighted him etc etc. 3 kids, he sees 2 but not the eldest (complex situation i won’t go into at this point).

He is calm, analytical and we fit well in many ways. Similar world views, interests, financial attitudes and expectations from a relationship. We both are both after long term stable relationship and it’s going well, most of the time.

Thing is, over time i have noticed he can be very inflexible when it comes to me raising concerns about quite often something quite minor in his behavious that upsets me. He says he has no issue apologising if he’s done something wrong but to me it feels like that rarely happens. A lot of the times minor things escalate into bigger issues, i feel this is because instead of just saying ‘sorry, i see i upset you’, he starts analysing situation and proving thay there is no reason for me to be upset. So simple things that would be resolved with quick ‘sorry’ escalate into prolonged texts or emails where i feel like i have to prove why i got upset about particular issue.

We don’t argue as such. There is no shouting. We talk in texts or emails. That is a positive because in my marriage i was used to blazing shouty rows so this feels so much more level headed and calm. Still, im starting to feel that his reluctance to apologise is starting to really grate on me. He says because of his marriage, he will not apologise if he doesn’t feel he’s done something wrong. I can understand that. But i can’t help but start feeling resentful and unheard.

We are currently in one of the ‘arguments’ and we still send texts to each other signing out with xx and say ‘love you’ at the end of the day.

I am meant to see him on friday and have been thinking about this a lot. I feel like i cannot get upset ever because that will get invalidated when all i want is a quick sorry and us moving on from the situation. He seems to be incapable of doing that.

I am starting to wonder if this is right for me, in fact im starting to wonder if it is always me raising things needlessly. He thinks it is. But then part of me feels like this is not normal and it’s eroding something in me even though we have a lot of good things going.

Any advice? Thanks if you got to the end of this.

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IFellInto · 21/05/2025 14:48

in fact im starting to wonder if it is always me raising things needlessly. He thinks it is

Whether it is, or isn’t, you are on a hiding to nothing if he is making you feel like this just 10 months in. Add in you resenting him him never saying ‘sorry’ and it doesn’t really seem worth the effort, does it?

PandyMoanyMum · 21/05/2025 14:55

You don’t sound right for each other. He doesn’t have enough compassion or empathy to deal with things you raise. And perhaps he would suit someone less sensitive? Nothing wrong with either of you but not a good fit.

I couldn’t be with someone who tried to “logic” their way out of seeing my perspective. I’d feel invalidated and it would make me sad. Even if my point of view was not totally logical, I’d still want to feel he cared.

CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 14:56

Btw, he definitely doesn’t agree that he is incapable of saying sorry. He said, he is fully capable of it, when he’s done something wrong.

This is the crux, if he doesn’t feel it, he won’t say it. And me being upset in not good enough reason to apologise. I can’t wrap my head around why this is such an issue. If my behaviour caused upset, i would not hesitate saying sorry and mend things.

And we go round in circles instead and i feel unheard and like i have to prove why i got upset. It’s doing my head in.

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MagpiePi · 21/05/2025 14:59

Can you give an example?

SusanLittle76 · 21/05/2025 15:01

If you have unmet needs being with this man yet you believe you communicate them clearly to him and he does not respond appropriately then i would walk away. Why live in misery?

S0j0urn4r · 21/05/2025 15:28

Does he ever think he's wrong?
Overall, it shouldn't be this hard after 10 months.
I'd move on.

AJ20 · 21/05/2025 15:31

And you believe the ex wife is the narcissist?! Wake up love.

OneFineDay13 · 21/05/2025 15:34

Do yourself a favour and get out now. 10 months in and he makes you feel like this? Better than a lifetime of misery

OneFineDay13 · 21/05/2025 15:35

AJ20 · 21/05/2025 15:31

And you believe the ex wife is the narcissist?! Wake up love.

Edited

Also this I bet it is him that's infact the narcissist

Summerhillsquare · 21/05/2025 16:19

Crazy ex, was she, aye?

CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 16:35

MagpiePi · 21/05/2025 14:59

Can you give an example?

An example of this, to show how stupid it can be is- a while back i texted him ‘i love you’ during working day. We don’t really exchange love yous during the day although we check in often. But i felt it and wanted to say it. There was no equal response and later i got explained he was in meeting etc etc. Which i understand as i have them too. But the fact that it wasn’t reciprocated made me sad and instead of just saying something like ‘sorry i carried away, love you too’ we went through this weird dance of explanations and reasoning from both sides. I literally just wanted an acknowledgement that he understands where im coming from. Is that too much to expect?

I need to also add that i am not a needy type who needs constant assurances. I had a relationship with someone like that and it was exhausting.

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CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 16:37

OneFineDay13 · 21/05/2025 15:35

Also this I bet it is him that's infact the narcissist

That is something on my mind too. But he doesn’t strike me as narcissist, is calm and respectful.

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AJ20 · 21/05/2025 16:45

Until one day you see his TRUE colours

User2676 · 21/05/2025 16:46

Someone can always say, I'm sorry I made you feel that way or I'm sorry you're upset, I didn't mean to upset you.
Even if they think they are in the right, they can still say these things. The fact that he can't is a bit concerning and would piss me off to be honest.

Thatsthebottomline · 21/05/2025 16:53

After 10 months this seems like a lot of work. I dont see much fun in this relationship, just a lot of treading on eggshells and stress.

Not for me, time to move on.

flyoverstate · 21/05/2025 16:53

I work with kids and one of the exercises we do is based around apologizing. Explaining to them that the focus of an apology is to repair your relationship with another person after a disagreement, the focus shouldn’t be on how guilty you were or weren’t in the disagreement. If an 8 yr old can grasp that the primary purpose of an apology is to repair a relationship ,not to accept guilt, I would expect an adult to be able to manage that.

rainbowruthie · 21/05/2025 16:53

CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 16:35

An example of this, to show how stupid it can be is- a while back i texted him ‘i love you’ during working day. We don’t really exchange love yous during the day although we check in often. But i felt it and wanted to say it. There was no equal response and later i got explained he was in meeting etc etc. Which i understand as i have them too. But the fact that it wasn’t reciprocated made me sad and instead of just saying something like ‘sorry i carried away, love you too’ we went through this weird dance of explanations and reasoning from both sides. I literally just wanted an acknowledgement that he understands where im coming from. Is that too much to expect?

I need to also add that i am not a needy type who needs constant assurances. I had a relationship with someone like that and it was exhausting.

I say this with kindness - life is too short for this sort of nonsense

ChuffingNoraah · 21/05/2025 16:56

rainbowruthie · 21/05/2025 16:53

I say this with kindness - life is too short for this sort of nonsense

Agreed. This was totally unnecessary from you, equally it was totally unnecessary from him to dive in to a big analysis about how he wasn’t in the wrong.

There’s a mismatch in expectations here…

TaupeRaven · 21/05/2025 16:58

It's interesting that his ex is a difficult narcissist, and he coincidentally seems to have a lack of emotional intelligence and difficulty apologising? I'm not saying women can't be narcissists, but I am ALWAYS wary of men who go in there with that about their ex because I've often found that it's a narrative they've created to explain a woman's reasonable response ot their unreasonable behaviour.

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 21/05/2025 17:00

His ex has a personality disorder but he's fine to leave his kids to be raised by her? When he merely 'sees' two of them (not resident parent?) and doesn't bother with the third?
How unattractive.

A boyfriend is for making your life easier, fun, and enhanced.

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 21/05/2025 17:01

"He says he has no issue apologising if he's done something wrong"

All well and good, but he won't accept that he's done something wrong, will he? He analyses it all and explains why he's right and you are wrong, therefore he has nothing to apologise for.

You've been together less than a year. Half the stuff in my freezer has been there longer than that. And it doesn't answer back.

Lovelynames123 · 21/05/2025 17:02

I was in a marriage where it was always my fault if I was upset

I've promised myself that the next person I have a relationship with will be the type of person who will be sorry, and gutted, they've upset me without trying to blame me for my feelings! Leave him, there are better men out there!

MoreChocPls · 21/05/2025 17:04

Split

WakingUpToReality · 21/05/2025 17:04

I respectfully disagree - if he did nothing wrong, he shouldn’t apologize. If you got upset by something ten times a day are you saying he should be apologizing ten times a day? I think if something happened that objectively most people would think was hurtful, someone can be expected to apologize. Not saying I love you in a text isn’t one of them.

CatWithAGreenHat · 21/05/2025 17:07

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 21/05/2025 17:00

His ex has a personality disorder but he's fine to leave his kids to be raised by her? When he merely 'sees' two of them (not resident parent?) and doesn't bother with the third?
How unattractive.

A boyfriend is for making your life easier, fun, and enhanced.

2 stay with him on court set days, around 30% of time. 3rd - a case of parental allienation.
I am deliberately not passing any judgement because i want to hear what you all think.

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