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She insists it wasn't cheating, but it still really hurt and I am struggling move on. Help!

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 21:00

I will try and keep this brief. We are currently "happy" and working on our marriage after both getting a taste of losing each other after separating for 2.5 months last year (her decision). Our marriage was complicated, financial infidelity on her part, and a lack of resolution at the time lead to conflict, depression (on her part) and we split. It only last just over 2 months before we eventually worked on things. It has been 6 months we have been "back together". I love her, she is the mother of my kids, my wife and we have been together for over 20 years. I never wanted the separation, she knew all the way through I was ready to work on things. I feel this is important...

When we had the talk about reconciling, I asked her "tell me nothing happened with anyone whilst we were apart" (she was going to friends parties etc) and she immediately confessed to getting drunk and snogging her friends brother at her friends party, just 3 nights prior. She said it was horrible, she instantly felt remorse and found it to just be happening after chatting to him at the bar for a minute or two. She says it was at the end of the night, she pulled away and that was that. She insists (she would) that it was 2 seconds of a mistake, was disgusting and that it "wasn't a long passionate kiss", and reminded me that "we weren't together".

My problems are as follows. Number 1, I can't get it out of my mind, even after 6 months, and things have been good. Is there something wrong with me? The way I see it, how could she? If she means what she says now and she never felt right apart, how could she do that? At the time I was looking after our children whilst she was doing this, heartbroken to put it bluntly. Secondly, I feel guilty for doubting it was "just a kiss". Her language I feel is pure minimalisation, and I dread something more happening. I dread it because it would destroy us, and I couldn't forgive it, so I have buried it due to lack of evidence, benefit of the doubt and a deep down disbelief in her ability to go that far, no matter how drunk.

What bothers me is how it happened? For two people to snog, they have to be close enough. What signals did she give? What did she say? What did he say? Did she really just walk away and carry on dancing with her friends after as she claims? Why tell me if it was "just a horrible 2 second thing" and we weren't together?

I am terrified she has been dishonest. Even if she hasn't it still hurts me to picture my wife kissing another guy like that, drunk or not. Do you think its cheating? I was emotionally invested in us, and she knows I was. She says it meant nothing and she thought we might never get back together. She admits to being ridiculous and wreckless in the moment and is remorseful.

She says she wants us to work and HAS made great effort in the relationship since we got back together, everything is really strong, its just this niggling thing. She says being apart made her realise how good we are and how theres so much worth fighting for. She tells me she loves me and never wants to separate again and has committed to better communication and effort.

Am I pathetic? Should I drop it? Should it matter? I need to stop ruminating. I don't want us to end, but I need the doubt to stop. Its hounding me.

Is my gut feeling that more happened (despite her insisting it didn't and "I wouldn't have done that so soon into a separation after 20 years, what do you take me for?!", or am I just struggling with trust after the financial infidelity and being dumped? I just feel like I am on shaky ground. I love the woman and I want it to work so badly.

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 21:52

StaredAtTheSun · 07/04/2025 21:48

Defiance? Now you're sounding a bit weird...

I don't mean to, I think I maybe used the wrong word. Rebellion? Ignoring the relationship issues? Running from reality? Escape? Proving to herself she is still desirable? I know what I meant.

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 21:53

Missedthis · 07/04/2025 21:52

Defiance?

”on a plate for her”

It would be worth you examining why you phrase it like this.

What I mean by "on a plate" is that she has always gotten male attention, always. She is very attractive. I guess I mean that made it easier for her to do it. Its not as though she had to go seeking it. I am trying to rationalise

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gamerchick · 07/04/2025 22:01

You sound like really hard work OP. So much navel gazing.

Either shit or get off the pot. If you don't trust her then end it and co parent your kids, which don't really get a mention.

She didn't cheat, you weren't together. Even if she had fucked multiple blokes it's not really much to do with you past an STD check.

ramonaqueenbee · 07/04/2025 22:04

I wonder if you are the right people for each other. Honestly OP, you sound like a lovely and thoughtful human being, you've done a lot of work on yourself, but there are deep insecurities that cone up for you in a relationship. And you might need to spend more time becoming aware of and learning how to notice and then manage these feelings.

I wonder if in your heart of hearts you feel both the gambling and the kiss came from the same place in your wife; perhaps a place that seeks out a thrill, even if meaningless or actively damaging. That's possibly why you're ruminating over the 'whys'and what of of that particular situation. You are hoping it isn't evidence of who she really is.

I would tread carefully, look after yourself and continue to do the work you are doing in therapy. Possibly some of this could benefit from discussion with a good couples therapist.

Zanatdy · 07/04/2025 22:07

It’s happened. If you want your marriage to work out then you’ve got to let it go. You were split. Maybe more happened, maybe she is being 100% truthful. You’ll never likely know. Focus on what you want in your life and work at keeping that instead of focussing on the past, what could have happened. Because if you don’t, the marriage will be over for good.

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 07/04/2025 22:13

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 21:52

I don't mean to, I think I maybe used the wrong word. Rebellion? Ignoring the relationship issues? Running from reality? Escape? Proving to herself she is still desirable? I know what I meant.

Edited

It actually doesn’t matter what you meant, because what you meant is not the same as whatever your (at that time ex) wife meant when it happened.

You cannot punish her for behaviour that happened when you weren’t together. You just can’t. But you so, so want to, don’t you?

SpringIsSpringing25 · 07/04/2025 22:28

gamerchick · 07/04/2025 22:01

You sound like really hard work OP. So much navel gazing.

Either shit or get off the pot. If you don't trust her then end it and co parent your kids, which don't really get a mention.

She didn't cheat, you weren't together. Even if she had fucked multiple blokes it's not really much to do with you past an STD check.

exactly.

I think you need a new therapist, all this one seems to be doing is giving you a new wanker vocabulary.

You need to spend more time looking at your own behaviour prior to the split, than a kiss she had with someone else when you were not together.

She's not the one that's done anything wrong here

DinaofCloud9 · 07/04/2025 22:29

You shouldn't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to.

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:31

gamerchick · 07/04/2025 22:01

You sound like really hard work OP. So much navel gazing.

Either shit or get off the pot. If you don't trust her then end it and co parent your kids, which don't really get a mention.

She didn't cheat, you weren't together. Even if she had fucked multiple blokes it's not really much to do with you past an STD check.

Thank you. Navel gazing? Quite an odd barb considering you are choosing to be on a forum of people discussing their problems and seeking advice. I guess everyone here could be accused of the same.

Thanks for the vivid mental images you unecessarily threw at me

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:34

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 07/04/2025 22:13

It actually doesn’t matter what you meant, because what you meant is not the same as whatever your (at that time ex) wife meant when it happened.

You cannot punish her for behaviour that happened when you weren’t together. You just can’t. But you so, so want to, don’t you?

Where have I said I want punish her? I have only said I am trying to move on but don't know how. I even explicity pointed out I haven't discussed it with her. Where is the punishment? I thought I was doing the right thing coming for advice anonymously as to not cause her or our relationship any strain. I've been open here about being insecure. Does it make you feel good to stick the boot in to me?

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SleeplessinEaling · 07/04/2025 22:36

gamerchick · 07/04/2025 22:01

You sound like really hard work OP. So much navel gazing.

Either shit or get off the pot. If you don't trust her then end it and co parent your kids, which don't really get a mention.

She didn't cheat, you weren't together. Even if she had fucked multiple blokes it's not really much to do with you past an STD check.

Ouch. That's more than a little bit cruel!

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:38

ramonaqueenbee · 07/04/2025 22:04

I wonder if you are the right people for each other. Honestly OP, you sound like a lovely and thoughtful human being, you've done a lot of work on yourself, but there are deep insecurities that cone up for you in a relationship. And you might need to spend more time becoming aware of and learning how to notice and then manage these feelings.

I wonder if in your heart of hearts you feel both the gambling and the kiss came from the same place in your wife; perhaps a place that seeks out a thrill, even if meaningless or actively damaging. That's possibly why you're ruminating over the 'whys'and what of of that particular situation. You are hoping it isn't evidence of who she really is.

I would tread carefully, look after yourself and continue to do the work you are doing in therapy. Possibly some of this could benefit from discussion with a good couples therapist.

I hope you aren't right. I love her so much, she is the mother of my kids and we are so close. The behaviours are so far removed from who I thought she was. Just because a kiss outside of the relationship during a short separation she instigated isn't "wrong", it hurt, and it would hurt anyone here who says otherwise.

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:39

SleeplessinEaling · 07/04/2025 22:36

Ouch. That's more than a little bit cruel!

It is cruel, but she's gamerchick. She says it how it is. Edgy. I admire it.

Needlessly cold and lacking empathy.

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AnotherNaCha · 07/04/2025 22:41

I have had a truly awful drunken kiss that I immediately felt sick about and regretted and have no idea how it happened… just saying goodbye I think 🤔

So I’d believe her and at least she was truthful?

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:43

AnotherNaCha · 07/04/2025 22:41

I have had a truly awful drunken kiss that I immediately felt sick about and regretted and have no idea how it happened… just saying goodbye I think 🤔

So I’d believe her and at least she was truthful?

Thank you. This helps. I think as someone else said it's less about the kiss itself and points to maybe my unresolved trust with the gambling stuff. A lot to consider. Thanks

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Missedthis · 07/04/2025 22:46

OP - you might think you’re not punishing her, but you are.

You’re back together. It’s either a fresh start or it isn’t.

MiniLights · 07/04/2025 22:47

This reads an awful lot like Ross and Rachel. You were on a break. End of. Get over it.

Along with your references to her "defiance" and "on a plate" I think you are displaying the intense jealousy that accompanies controlling behaviour.

Maybe you'd be better off apart.

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:47

Missedthis · 07/04/2025 22:46

OP - you might think you’re not punishing her, but you are.

You’re back together. It’s either a fresh start or it isn’t.

That's why I'm here. I know. I'm annoyed that I can't seem to let it go. I know I should. How? Everyone tells me to let go but nobody suggests how?

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:49

I am aware I'm handling this badly

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swimsong · 07/04/2025 22:49

Be honest yourself,you could have done the same if an attractive woman had presented herself to you.

Missedthis · 07/04/2025 22:50

I suggested counselling- for you, to work on that.

If you can’t let go, you can’t. End the marriage.

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:51

swimsong · 07/04/2025 22:49

Be honest yourself,you could have done the same if an attractive woman had presented herself to you.

I was so low and depressed from the separation and the upheaval with the kids, not only could I not even imagine kissing an attractive woman, I couldn't even eat.

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BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:52

Missedthis · 07/04/2025 22:50

I suggested counselling- for you, to work on that.

If you can’t let go, you can’t. End the marriage.

I will do my utmost. I am in counselling, but it's not for this it's for something else. I appreciate the advice. I don't want to ruin it

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HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 07/04/2025 23:05

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 22:34

Where have I said I want punish her? I have only said I am trying to move on but don't know how. I even explicity pointed out I haven't discussed it with her. Where is the punishment? I thought I was doing the right thing coming for advice anonymously as to not cause her or our relationship any strain. I've been open here about being insecure. Does it make you feel good to stick the boot in to me?

I’m not sticking the boot in, I’m digging into what you’re actually saying to suggest that your fixation on this one incident where your wife did nothing wrong (rather than the gambling addiction which actually did destroy your marriage, which involved enormous amounts of deceit yet you seem to be able to brush past that?) suggests you are not able to move past it until she somehow atones, or makes you feel better about it. That’s punishment, whether you recognise it or not.

Marriage counselling for the things that led to the break up would help.

CBT to stop the intrusive thoughts about the kiss might also help you.

But IMO you want her to know you’re hurt and you want her to take some of that pain away by taking it on. AKA punishment.

BoldRobin · 07/04/2025 23:06

MiniLights · 07/04/2025 22:47

This reads an awful lot like Ross and Rachel. You were on a break. End of. Get over it.

Along with your references to her "defiance" and "on a plate" I think you are displaying the intense jealousy that accompanies controlling behaviour.

Maybe you'd be better off apart.

I am controlling because the fact my wife and partner of 20 years was intimate with another person within 8 weeks of separating when she claims she hoped we would sort things out? What part of it is controlling? I am hurt by her actions, I didn't stop her. Are blokes not allowed to be affected by things without being labelled controlling? We wonder why men don't open up.

I have already said defiance was the wrong word.

Get over it? I guarantee you wouldn't be so blase if this was your own relationship. If you say you could just get over it, you're lying.

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