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Have I been SA’d?

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MyTealBee · 31/03/2025 23:03

I’ve spoken to a couple of people about this but wanted to get a wider opinion on the matter. Maybe around 8months-year ago my partner didn’t pull out when I asked him to. On a second occasion I asked him to wear a condom and he didn’t - he didn’t pull out on this occasion either. I’m really confused as to what I feel. This wasn’t for a contraceptive reason, it was just that I didn’t want his semen inside of me on those days. We’ve spoken about and he claims he doesn’t know why he did it. Am I overthinking this or was I sexually assaulted?

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Sashya · 01/04/2025 12:14

MyTealBee · 01/04/2025 00:10

Because it’s messy, I didn’t want to clean up, it smells and can feel uncomfortable. Am I not allowed to have sex without wanting some control over what happens during that? I stated this wasn’t a method of contraception, I know that it is unreliable.

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I disagree with this being a sexual assault. Especially going on this explanation.
In a relationship with regular sex - that I presume normally does not involve condoms - what you describe is a whim. Sex is messy, and it's not anyone's fault. If you didn't feel like having the mess - you should not have had sex.

It's fair enough to insist on condoms - if it's a regular thing. But - not using them usually - (as you post sounds) - and then on one day deciding that you don't want the mess... sounds odd. To me, it'd sound like all of a sound you found me repulsive. And I am a woman. I don't know what a man would feel.

In any case - he was not trying to get you pregnant without your consent. It is not sexual assault, not on the facts you describe.
But something is going on in your relationship - something about how you feel about him, or the dynamics in your relationship is off.

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Tiswa · 01/04/2025 12:21

Sashya · 01/04/2025 12:14

I disagree with this being a sexual assault. Especially going on this explanation.
In a relationship with regular sex - that I presume normally does not involve condoms - what you describe is a whim. Sex is messy, and it's not anyone's fault. If you didn't feel like having the mess - you should not have had sex.

It's fair enough to insist on condoms - if it's a regular thing. But - not using them usually - (as you post sounds) - and then on one day deciding that you don't want the mess... sounds odd. To me, it'd sound like all of a sound you found me repulsive. And I am a woman. I don't know what a man would feel.

In any case - he was not trying to get you pregnant without your consent. It is not sexual assault, not on the facts you describe.
But something is going on in your relationship - something about how you feel about him, or the dynamics in your relationship is off.

So you are saying she doesn’t have the right to decide that day that she does t want to deal with the aftermath or the mess and that it isn’t a choice she gets to make
Presumably sex was time sensitive and she didn’t want the extra time to deal with it or the extra time needed to lubricate (because let’s face it it needs to be if a condom isn’t used) and that is her decision to make.

Sex is never the same each time

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2025 12:23

MyTealBee · 01/04/2025 00:05

I just want to make it clear that I have no intention of taking this to the police - frankly, I know nothing will be done & I don’t think it would help in how I feel. I’m confused because this man is lovely in every sense other than these occasions.

Then he's not lovely.

Someone who spends his entire life being saintly and then murders someone is still a murderer.

Just like someone who is always lovely and then doesn't remove his dick when told to is a rapist.

category12 · 01/04/2025 12:28

Sashya · 01/04/2025 12:14

I disagree with this being a sexual assault. Especially going on this explanation.
In a relationship with regular sex - that I presume normally does not involve condoms - what you describe is a whim. Sex is messy, and it's not anyone's fault. If you didn't feel like having the mess - you should not have had sex.

It's fair enough to insist on condoms - if it's a regular thing. But - not using them usually - (as you post sounds) - and then on one day deciding that you don't want the mess... sounds odd. To me, it'd sound like all of a sound you found me repulsive. And I am a woman. I don't know what a man would feel.

In any case - he was not trying to get you pregnant without your consent. It is not sexual assault, not on the facts you describe.
But something is going on in your relationship - something about how you feel about him, or the dynamics in your relationship is off.

It's about consent.

If you consent to penetration, but not to ejaculation, and the guy knows that, then it's his job to stay within the bounds of what his partner agreed to.

In the same way, if he agreed to having a finger up his arse and she decided to stick a massive dildo in there instead, she'd be violating his consent.

You have to be able to trust your sexual partner to heed your boundaries and not do whatever they feel like to your body.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 12:33

alexdgr8 · 01/04/2025 00:05

In a consensual relationship I think asking him to withdraw like that is expecting a lot.
Many men don't have that level of control.
It seems a strange request to me.
Why didn't you not have sex on those occasions if you felt like that.
Expecting him to start and stop in the very throes of action is unfair in my opinion. Because it's so difficult to achieve. That's why it's such an unreliable method of contraception.

I cannot believe the hideousness of your post. The withdrawal method may not be a foolproof method of contraception, but it does reduce the risk of pregnancy and can be effective. Men do have that level of control. OP's partner just didn't want to withdraw. A woman can say no to any sort of sexual contact at any time, even in the middle of intercourse. It's absolutely not unfair.

Naunet · 01/04/2025 12:34

SquashedMallow · 01/04/2025 12:14

Due to the ongoing personal attack (which has been reported), I shall not be commenting further on this thread. As you may see - when I last replied to you - it invited another @ from a particular poster directed at me. Therefore I do not feel it is in my best interests to continue to open myself up for any further baiting by this poster.

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WakingUpToReality · 01/04/2025 12:36

Frostynoman · 01/04/2025 00:11

Your feelings are valid OP. You don’t need external validation from your friends, and I’m sorry you e experienced this. It is assault and I strongly suggest seeking support with this (from a professional). Be gentle with yourself OP

ETA this to help explain consent:

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@Frostynoman posted the "Sex is Like a Cup of Tea" video about consent. Everyone really needs to watch it. What is fun and enjoyable sexually for a person can change from day to day, and that is ok. BOTH partners should experience a pleasant time.

Naunet · 01/04/2025 12:38

Sashya · 01/04/2025 12:14

I disagree with this being a sexual assault. Especially going on this explanation.
In a relationship with regular sex - that I presume normally does not involve condoms - what you describe is a whim. Sex is messy, and it's not anyone's fault. If you didn't feel like having the mess - you should not have had sex.

It's fair enough to insist on condoms - if it's a regular thing. But - not using them usually - (as you post sounds) - and then on one day deciding that you don't want the mess... sounds odd. To me, it'd sound like all of a sound you found me repulsive. And I am a woman. I don't know what a man would feel.

In any case - he was not trying to get you pregnant without your consent. It is not sexual assault, not on the facts you describe.
But something is going on in your relationship - something about how you feel about him, or the dynamics in your relationship is off.

It sounds far more odd that you think a man has the overriding say on this. It's HER body.

WakingUpToReality · 01/04/2025 12:43

Ultimately, @MyTealBee , perhaps you can have a good discussion about this with your partner and come to a better understanding of each other. He may be a lovely man. But you will only know this when you observe his behaviour in times of disagreement and at times when your needs oppose. And through the discussions you have with him about those times. Everyone is lovely when everything is going well and your needs align.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 12:44

SquashedMallow · 01/04/2025 00:29

Absolutely. You have to be careful though as you get shouted down as a rape apologist- it's crazy.

Reading stuff like this is frightening.

OP hasn't accused her partner of rape but she has said that she felt violated and can't stop thinking about it. She also has no intention of reporting him but came here for some support.

It wasn't rape, but he carried on with a sexual act after being told to stop. Any sex that continues after your partner has said no is non-consenual and could be construed as sexual assault.

You sound like the sort of person that would only consider it rape if it was violent, committed by a complete stranger and the OP was seriously hurt because she tried to fight off her attacker.

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Abbygabby87 · 01/04/2025 12:48

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 12:44

OP hasn't accused her partner of rape but she has said that she felt violated and can't stop thinking about it. She also has no intention of reporting him but came here for some support.

It wasn't rape, but he carried on with a sexual act after being told to stop. Any sex that continues after your partner has said no is non-consenual and could be construed as sexual assault.

You sound like the sort of person that would only consider it rape if it was violent, committed by a complete stranger and the OP was seriously hurt because she tried to fight off her attacker.

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Exactly, rape is not just committed by strangers.

That is why marital rape is illegal.

PriscillaQueen · 01/04/2025 13:01

alexdgr8 · 01/04/2025 00:05

In a consensual relationship I think asking him to withdraw like that is expecting a lot.
Many men don't have that level of control.
It seems a strange request to me.
Why didn't you not have sex on those occasions if you felt like that.
Expecting him to start and stop in the very throes of action is unfair in my opinion. Because it's so difficult to achieve. That's why it's such an unreliable method of contraception.

Wow 🤯

TokyoKyoto · 01/04/2025 13:07

MyTealBee · 31/03/2025 23:53

I’ve spoken to a couple of friends but bar one they’ve all remained rather impartial. I’m so confused and upset. I feel really violated but I don’t know if that’s valid. It’s taking up so much room in my thought space as well. I feel really empty and numb.

It's totally valid. You asked him to stop and he judged that coming inside you was what he wanted to do, so he did it. And now you feel violated. He did violate your bodily autonomy. It is perfectly ok to feel awful about it OP.

PriscillaQueen · 01/04/2025 13:28

SquashedMallow · 01/04/2025 09:33

If you honestly think that is balanced advice , there's no reasoning with you Is there ?

There's women that man those phones that have been dragged in a park at night and left for dead after being raped by a stranger.

There's women that are in controlling and abusive marriages or relationships that have been sexually degraded and humiliated and coerced into sex they do not want and felt they couldn't say no to due to fear.

A woman who sometimes wants her partners semen in her, and sometimes doesn't (because of the mess ) found her got overexcited and ejaculated on one of the days where he wasn't meant to - called that hotline, it's a fucking insult. All so you can be smug about blatant application of a law. Wider context is literally everything.

Now, if we changed some details. Say the ops partner had form for passive aggressive behaviour. Subtle little red flags all over the place , she wasn't on birth control, and he came inside her despite it being explicitly clear that their relationship always requires condoms during sex because it's their method of birth control, those details change the context significantly.

This is an utterly disgusting comment.

PriscillaQueen · 01/04/2025 13:32

SquashedMallow · 01/04/2025 09:49

He gave a very honest answer. But he'll be convicted for that on here won't he ?

Abusive men do not tend to do that. A pre planned act of malicious intention designed to cross boundaries will usually have a response such as "you never said anything at the time did you?" "I don't remember having that conversation" "well you were up for it!" "You're all mixed messages you are aren't you ?"

You wouldn't tend to get a "I don't know " context. Context.context

The context is simple. She had a clear boundary which she expressed to him. He completely ignored it. When she tried to address it with him afterwards, he dismissed her. That’s sexual assault. And from what I gather, it’s happened more than once.

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What this person wrote was untrue. As was the rest of it. Hence why it was reported and deleted.

You have now taken this misinformation and continued the attack, calling me a man. Reported. Think twice before you believe everything someone writes. If you read back my posts and that person's, you will see exactly what I have said and what I haven't

Whimsicalgrape · 01/04/2025 15:00

SquashedMallow · 01/04/2025 10:39

So because I don't indulge in casual sex and have an opinion on that, I'm not allowed to offer a different viewpoint on this subject. Right, got you.

Enjoy the "group think"

You're a victim of wrong think. Hth

rubberduck68 · 01/04/2025 15:08

You requested that your partner NOT do something sexually, and he did it anyway, twice. You need to throw this one back, and consider reporting him to the police. He could have given you an unwanted pregnancy, or an STD, and importantly, what else might he choose to not hear next when you say "no" to something sexually? If you say you don't want to be choked, but he does it anyway? You cannot trust this man ever again.

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PriscillaQueen · 01/04/2025 15:21

I love how @SquashedMallow is minimising something as serious as sexual assault but is reporting all and sundry who dared to disagree with his/her horrendous stance. The double standard is palpable. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

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