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Mother ‘had a word’ with DH

215 replies

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 06:56

I am furious and don’t know how to react.

My mother is generally kind and well-meaning, but is a very difficult character at times. I spent most of my childhood tiptoeing around her emotions. Grew to dread special occasions and still do to this day - Mother’s Day for example would generally be a day of her crying and banging things around the house because she felt she hadn’t had as much fuss made of her as her friends had. Talking endlessly about diets and taking me to slimming world with her each week, whilst filling the house with cakes and sweets. I now have an ED. I left home at 17 and whilst I’ve never fallen out with her, we have never been close. We’re very different people. She is very high maintenance emotionally and pretty much impossible to talk to normally, because she will cry or come out with ridiculous things that you just can’t answer. Eg if I say one of the kids got athlete of the week at cricket club, she will cry actual tears then find the child and tell them how much it means to her, then come out with some made up anecdote about my childhood and the time I won the cricket World Cup, then keep looking at the child, smiling and breaking into fresh sobs. Everyone including the child feels incredibly awkward and wants to disappear.
I could go on but won’t.

DH is a quiet person and has always struggled with her but used to make an effort. He just avoids her now.

DH works on oil rigs so is often away. Mother lives near the port. DH went away 2 weeks ago and has been off with me ever since.

Last night it came out. He bumped into my mum when he was leaving, and she asked him for a word. She said that he wasn’t treating me well enough and that I was always a child who has to have what I want, or I will be unhappy. Now that he is looking after me he needs to give me what I want, and by not doing so he’s making me sad. Mum said that he obviously hadn’t realised which is why she is telling him.
Now, what I actually want at the moment is a new kitchen. We moved into a house we are renovating and the kitchen is awful. However - DH and I are in full agreement that we are not going to borrow money to do this. We will be able to afford it later in the year and we’re both happy to wait. Obviously it’s not easy cooking for 4 kids on my own in a really crap kitchen, but I don’t mind - we’ll get a new one when we can afford it.

Mum does not see it this way. She’s appalled at the kitchen and won’t believe that I am ok about it. So what she said to DH is that I cry about the kitchen but won’t tell him. That it’s shameful that he allows his wife to live like this. That I was used to nice things with them and it’s a shame I have to live in squalor now etc.

The way she said it to DH was as if I’d been moaning to her nonstop and slagging him off then acting fine to him. When I’ve never actually mentioned it. So DH was quite upset but as he’s not a talker it took a while for me to discover it.

What do I do? If I confront her it will be dreadful, I’m not sure I’m up for it really. Or that it will solve anything. I think I just need to have as little to do with her as possible but I feel mean then.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/03/2025 14:13

OP

re your comment, "Yes obviously I’m very upset with DH too. But he didn’t grow up with her, so wouldn’t automatically brush it off like I would I suppose".

No he did not grow up with her but you did and you lucked out completely in the parents stakes. By now you know only too well what she is like. She has done you much harm over the years. Narcissistic parents do much harm and also make for being toxic as grandparent figures too. Do not further facilitate contact between your mother and your kids.

She is a serial abuser and now she is further starting on your H (your mother sees him as a weak link here) and in time she will start on your kids if she is not already; all to get back at you. And you need to let go of any residual hope that she will say sorry and or change. That will not happen.

Abusers also can be very plausible to those in the outside world.

AlmostCutMyHairToday · 14/03/2025 14:13

I'm sorry you're going through this OP. Sounds a lot like my DM... It's really hard to accept when our parents are not actually able to parent at all, and we end up having to parent them. It's exhausting and lonely. If they don't bring anything positive to the relationship then you have to wonder whether it's worth exposing yourself and your kids to the toxicity.

LAMPS1 · 14/03/2025 14:18

You and your DH have strains and stresses on your relationship already if he works away for long periods of time.
But it sounds as if you are both very very close in spite of that, so hats off to you both for maintaining a loving marriage.

Don’t let this incident upset you any more. Best not to feed it. Learn from it instead and let it strengthen your marriage.

I know it can be seen as your mum getting away with her lies and dramas but she somehow has a desperate need to insert herself into your marriage and to interfere,- as if she can control everything. Maybe she has such little self esteem, so tries to involve herself far too much in order to feel she even exists. I bet your dad simply wants a quiet life these days so ignores her after a life time of unnecessary drama. Who can blame him.

OP, just keep working your magic on your own marriage and family and laugh off your mums attempts to centre herself within it.

No need tell her off or have a row, keep it light.
But you can say things in passing if the conversation leads that way, such as ….mum what are you like trying to tell DH I have always had what I wanted in life, what a ridiculous thing to have said, as if he doesn’t know and understand me by now…..and then laugh as if it’s not important because nothing can come between you and your DH, not even her.

If and when she gets upset when you don’t take her seriously, remember it’s not your fault and she started it by interfering. Life is too short to take notice of her dramas. Just walk away and let her come round in her own time.

As you already said, your move further away will definitely help and saves you the trouble of trying to fade towards lower contact.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 14/03/2025 14:23

Have you asked yurself what positive things she brings to your life?

People always default to I can't do X because..

But it hits differently when you say to yourself I WANT x because... and you can't think of a single nice, good, positive thing. Not one.

I want my mum in my life because...

It can (not always, not for everyone) just make you take a step away from fear and guilt and negativity and put yourself and your own nuclear family at the centre and begin to think actually, there's not one reason on earth this person needs to be in my life. They bring nothing loving or positive to the table.

SheridansPortSalut · 14/03/2025 14:23

You need to find the comedy in it.

Roll your eyes and have a good laugh at whatever her latest ridiculous statement is.

You're just adding fuel to it by taking it seriously.

speakball · 14/03/2025 14:42

You're just adding fuel to it by taking it seriously.

It’s not trivial though is it. Parents lying about what we have said. Would you say this to someone who posted that their partner is lying to people about them? Why are we groomed to tolerate harmful behaviour from parents? To make ourselves unwell holding the dissonance while waiting for them to change?

MaryGreenhill · 14/03/2025 14:46

If she's anything like my Mum she will twist it all and make you feel guilty . I have changed the way l
deal with my Mum now . I tell her nothing, l grey rock her. I don't row with her ever because that's what Narcs love , attention, doesn't matter if it's good or bad that's what they live for . My empathy OP it's very difficult dealing with this behaviour day in day out .

speakball · 14/03/2025 14:47

and we end up having to parent them.

And It doesn’t work. I tried parenting my dad. Did it for 40 years. He never changed. He never learnt. None of the love and forgiveness I smothered him with made him capable of connecting with me. I honestly made no difference to him and his world. Trying to get him to at least pretend to have loving feelings only ever wounded me.

CameltoeParkerBowles · 14/03/2025 16:03

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 11:44

I can imagine just a "ooh I'll be glad when the kitchen is done" would set her off.

yes exactly.

Well as long as she hasn't got access & would have it ordered & fitted for you...

This won’t happen. They are constantly broke and constantly spending on needless stuff. It’s exhausting and I’ve given up trying to give financial advice.

I know I'm completely missing the point here, but I'm just laughing at the image of your Mum tearfully boasting to your children about the time you won the cricket World Cup. 😄
Unless you actually did win it, in which case my amusement is entirely misplaced, obviously....
On a more serious note, though, I agree that low contact is the way to go, plus an agreement that neither you nor DH take anything she says at face value.

fluffy71 · 14/03/2025 16:15

LuckyBea · 14/03/2025 07:00

I wouldn't confront your mum about this, I can see why you want to, but she is a narcissist and will just cry and wail and make it all about her - and it will not change her behaviour in the future. It will only create more aggro for yourself to deal with.

Hopefully your husband will now know better than to believe anything she says to him in the future - I would be making sure he knows the exact truth about your mum's lies and exaggerations.

I would be trying to have as little contact with her as possible in general, tbh.

Exactly this.

Toucanfusingforme · 14/03/2025 17:58

ArcticBlasts · 14/03/2025 08:33

If someone has behaved badly, I think it's far better to tell them. Her mum is maybe not too old to learn how to behave differently.

OP doesn't need to be involved in the drama of it .

She just needs to say the intervention was uncalled for and not to interfere.

I admire your optimism.🤣

Hurryuphumphreygeorgeiswaiting · 14/03/2025 18:44

My mum is like this OP. I wouldn't confront her, just go LC. My mum is dramatic and I am so much happy since going LC. I see my parents occasionally but I don't discuss anything remotely about my life. I ask about her, my Father, talk about the weather and as soon as she starts I say I need to go and politely leave.

laraitopbanana · 15/03/2025 18:16

Hi op,

Don’t validate her actions. Ignore and let her have the result of her actions.
I should think she knows better than to go and talk to your hubby without you knowing. If you think, somewhere, she meant well…laugh it off with your hubby…apologies profusely for your weird mom and move on.

arf. Moms.

Laura95167 · 15/03/2025 18:23

I'd manage her like work.

I wouldn't confront her, I wouldn't feed her need for drama.

I'd explain to your DH that were there a situation you'd take it up with him directly. And even if he ever worries you aren't being open make it clear she is not your confident.

I'd go LC, your kids don't deserve to grow up thinking this behaviour is normal or reasonable.

OldLadyMelody · 15/03/2025 18:38

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 07:14

Yes this is probably the ideal solution.

DH does know how batshit she is but she was very plausible. Never outright said that I had said these things, just implied it in every word. And it was close enough to small gripes I have had such as ‘it is a nightmare washing up for 4 kids, I can’t wait until we have a dishwasher’ but voiced in a completely different way.

I was quite disappointed that he believed it but weve talked about it now and it’s ok. He understandably has a fear of me turning into my mother so it did really upset him to think that we’d been in cahoots slagging him off. He knows how ridiculous that is now and we’re friends again!

Toxic narcissists have a really weird way of being extremely believable! They mess with your head and make you question your own beliefs. I’m sure your husband didn’t mean anything by it but I’m sure he assumed you’d been saying these things to her.

I would cut contact or at least take a break. The way she is with your children just sounds awkward!

FeetLikeFlippers · 15/03/2025 19:46

Your mum sounds a lot like mine. When we were in our 30s, my sister and I worked out she was a covert narcissist and suddenly all of her baffling behaviour made sense. Look up the symptoms and I’m sure it will all sound very familiar! Unfortunately that means she is incapable of self-awareness or of seeing anything from any viewpoint other than her own, so don’t waste your time trying to reason with her or expect her to ever change. Educate yourself about covert narcissism and learn ways to deal with it if you are going to continue having a relationship with her. You also need to acknowledge the inevitable impact that being raised by a narcissistic mother has had on you, and learn to be kinder to yourself. All easier said than done I know, but knowing what you are dealing with is a start. Do you have siblings you can talk to about it?

Lotsofsnacks · 15/03/2025 19:48

Omg OP you need to keep your distance from yr mum unfortunately. She’s a stirrer, and can’t believe DH thought you’d been complaining about him, to her. He should have known it was lies. She sounds dreadful with the Slimming world stuff as a teen, she def sounds like she has a personality disorder. Do not confront her, you won’t win, and she will make a massive drama of it. Think you need to start scaling back on seeing her asap

Birdie280125 · 15/03/2025 20:19

Omg, I have a relative like your mum! Mine is distant enough that I don't have to keep on touch. An absolute fantasist, loves to meddle "to help" and sooo convincing with her lies! I didn't believe there was more than 1 person like that out there! I feel so validated!

Tgfh · 15/03/2025 20:19

OP, what she has done is completely unforgivable.
But no point in getting into it.
Look at grey rock, medium chill, and slowly withdrawing from her.
Do not answer the phone, keep calls very short.
Leave it days to answer massages.
Be busy.
No matter what she says, do not tell her about the upset.
Keep saying everything is fine and do not get into it.

You live 4 hours away now, thank god.
Do not give her your address.
Put your marriage first.

Gandalfsthong · 15/03/2025 20:23

This sounds familiar sadly. We use the grey rock method with my mother and keep our distance. Also surprised though that your husband believed her, given he’s obviously seen her in action. I’m sorry, this kind of parent is really draining.

SwordOfOmens · 15/03/2025 21:07

Eh??? Why would your husband not just come to you, his wife, and ask you about it? He knows what she is like, so why didn't he straight away call BS on his mil.

Husband problem.

Missj25 · 15/03/2025 21:09

Good you & your husband are friends again & I know it’s easier said than done but I’d be staying miles away from her ..
She brings nothing positive to you , your children or husbands life ..
I wouldn’t bother confronting her , she is who she is & no changing her now …..

CoffeeMama1 · 15/03/2025 22:11

Don't necessarily confront her, but set boundaries. "Hey mum, I will appreciate it if you didn't tell DH things about me that aren't true, or imply to him that I'm unhappy with our current set up. We're in full agreement with how we're doing this renovation" and then put firm, and I mean rock solid boundaries in place.

If she's going to try and be manipulative then.dont give her information to use. Don't tell her your plans, how you're feeling, what you're doing. It's sad but it's the only way, speaking from experience.
I hope you can have an honest conversation with DH about your mum and why she's like this, explaining she was talking out her arse, to show him you're a united front. The problem is if you don't address it she will push more and more and it WILL get between you, it sounds like that's what she wants.

JTHOM · 15/03/2025 23:30

Keep a low profile. Just have some bunting made with the words ' We love our rustic kitchen' and proudly hang it up across your cabinets. It's an easy way of letting your mother know that you and your husband are a strong team. More importantly, an excuse laugh together.

andweallsingalong · 15/03/2025 23:55

Probably not the best advice but I'd be tempted to go for a passive aggressive approach and wait until you are all together to launch into a long monologue about how amazing DH is, how much you love him just the way he is and how proud you are of him working away to give you all such an amazing life despite knowing how much he misses you and him you.

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