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Mother ‘had a word’ with DH

215 replies

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 06:56

I am furious and don’t know how to react.

My mother is generally kind and well-meaning, but is a very difficult character at times. I spent most of my childhood tiptoeing around her emotions. Grew to dread special occasions and still do to this day - Mother’s Day for example would generally be a day of her crying and banging things around the house because she felt she hadn’t had as much fuss made of her as her friends had. Talking endlessly about diets and taking me to slimming world with her each week, whilst filling the house with cakes and sweets. I now have an ED. I left home at 17 and whilst I’ve never fallen out with her, we have never been close. We’re very different people. She is very high maintenance emotionally and pretty much impossible to talk to normally, because she will cry or come out with ridiculous things that you just can’t answer. Eg if I say one of the kids got athlete of the week at cricket club, she will cry actual tears then find the child and tell them how much it means to her, then come out with some made up anecdote about my childhood and the time I won the cricket World Cup, then keep looking at the child, smiling and breaking into fresh sobs. Everyone including the child feels incredibly awkward and wants to disappear.
I could go on but won’t.

DH is a quiet person and has always struggled with her but used to make an effort. He just avoids her now.

DH works on oil rigs so is often away. Mother lives near the port. DH went away 2 weeks ago and has been off with me ever since.

Last night it came out. He bumped into my mum when he was leaving, and she asked him for a word. She said that he wasn’t treating me well enough and that I was always a child who has to have what I want, or I will be unhappy. Now that he is looking after me he needs to give me what I want, and by not doing so he’s making me sad. Mum said that he obviously hadn’t realised which is why she is telling him.
Now, what I actually want at the moment is a new kitchen. We moved into a house we are renovating and the kitchen is awful. However - DH and I are in full agreement that we are not going to borrow money to do this. We will be able to afford it later in the year and we’re both happy to wait. Obviously it’s not easy cooking for 4 kids on my own in a really crap kitchen, but I don’t mind - we’ll get a new one when we can afford it.

Mum does not see it this way. She’s appalled at the kitchen and won’t believe that I am ok about it. So what she said to DH is that I cry about the kitchen but won’t tell him. That it’s shameful that he allows his wife to live like this. That I was used to nice things with them and it’s a shame I have to live in squalor now etc.

The way she said it to DH was as if I’d been moaning to her nonstop and slagging him off then acting fine to him. When I’ve never actually mentioned it. So DH was quite upset but as he’s not a talker it took a while for me to discover it.

What do I do? If I confront her it will be dreadful, I’m not sure I’m up for it really. Or that it will solve anything. I think I just need to have as little to do with her as possible but I feel mean then.

OP posts:
ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 14/03/2025 08:00

BadgersGalore · 14/03/2025 07:53

Yes your DM is obviously massively out of order but your DH really needs to work on his communication. There's really no excuse for him keeping it to himself and sulking. I would be equally cross with him tbh, as you can't choose your parents but you did choose him.

Nowhere on the OP post did it say her DH was sulking. You've put that erroneous spin on it and made him out to be something he is not.
OP said he was upset. That's a world of difference.

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 08:01

It’s very difficult in real life to deal with this stuff.

If I confront her now she will instantly break down and cry about how she was only trying to help and she loves me so much and I’m her precious baby and she wants only the best for me and she’s just trying to help and she ALWAYS manages to get it wrong and she’s just so upset with herself and she didn’t mean it like that and she wishes she had a mother and she’s just sad and she’s so so sorry.

Honestly I don’t think I can. Nothing will be achieved anyway.

OP posts:
Conniebygaslight · 14/03/2025 08:03

OP if you don’t cut this woman from your life she will try to come between you and your DC when they are older. You really need to take this experience as a warning of that.

Doingmybest12 · 14/03/2025 08:04

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 14/03/2025 08:00

Nowhere on the OP post did it say her DH was sulking. You've put that erroneous spin on it and made him out to be something he is not.
OP said he was upset. That's a world of difference.

OP said he been away 2 weeks ago and off with her ever since.

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 14/03/2025 08:07

Doingmybest12 · 14/03/2025 08:04

OP said he been away 2 weeks ago and off with her ever since.

Off doesn't mean sulking. Off can mean upset. Or depressed. Or just processing something

Doingmybest12 · 14/03/2025 08:09

Off with me

Seeingalight · 14/03/2025 08:11

The reason you feel mean setting your own boundaries is because you've been conditioned by your mother to put her first.

It will feel uncomfortable and you will feel guilty but you can work on that. She has emotionally manipulated you for for a long time.

thepariscrimefiles · 14/03/2025 08:13

WellErrrr · 14/03/2025 08:01

It’s very difficult in real life to deal with this stuff.

If I confront her now she will instantly break down and cry about how she was only trying to help and she loves me so much and I’m her precious baby and she wants only the best for me and she’s just trying to help and she ALWAYS manages to get it wrong and she’s just so upset with herself and she didn’t mean it like that and she wishes she had a mother and she’s just sad and she’s so so sorry.

Honestly I don’t think I can. Nothing will be achieved anyway.

She sounds unbearable. How often do you see her? Can you reduce contact? I doubt that your DH would want to be in her company any more after what she said to him.

If you just let this go, nothing will change. She needs to learn that her actions have consequences that she won't like.

Pipsquiggle · 14/03/2025 08:15

Interesting that all the people that have narcissist parents say leave it and just distance yourself. I would be inclined to follow their counsel as they have lived experience.

If your DM was 'normal,' having a radical candour conversation might work, but she's not.

I think your DH also needs to get to a mindset that anything your DM says to him, without you there, is a lie until you have corroborated it.

She sounds like a liability. I certainly would be strictly monitoring how much time she spends with your DC.

CarrieOnComplaining · 14/03/2025 08:15

Really sorry this happened OP.

When men here explain away stuff their Mums have done as ‘you know what she’s like’ posters are told ‘you have a DH problem’.

You need to show your loyalty and prioritising of your DH over your Mum.

Who cares if she has a nuclear narcissistic reaction?

I would let your DH hear you say “Mum, you told things to DH that are not true. You may not believe that we have a shared plan for the kitchen that we are both happy with but it is the truth. Please do not speak for me and never again intervene in my marriage”.

ANY response say nothing but ‘I have given you my opinion I have nothing else to say. ‘ Any more “Mum I have said I will not discuss this further “. Next onslaught: BLOCK.

Dolambslikemintsauce · 14/03/2025 08:16

Tell her work starts on the kitchen this week and will take at least 6 months. She best stay away.....
Then never contact her again.. Been nc for 13 years with my dm for less op...

ArcticBlasts · 14/03/2025 08:17

I understand that there is a history to your relationship with your mum but can you just react to this episode as if it's a 'new' thing?

I'd say to her that you want to talk to her about something.
Then tell her that you've heard from your H that she was trying to give him 'advice' on how to treat you.

Depending on her reaction, the next step is just to tell her not to interfere in your marriage as she doesn't know the full story. (So it's not her place to comment to him.)

It sounds as if you've been brought up to handle her with kid gloves and even now you're afraid of upsetting her.

Was she like this with your Dad ? Is he around still?

I'm afraid I'm from a generation where labels like 'narc' didn't exist. We'd just say someone was an awkward bugger. I don't agree with giving labels anyway based on info in a post. That's for the psychologists.

So I'd be straight and tell her to mind her own business and stop interfering.

If she takes offence at being challenged, tough. That's her choice.

Old advice- you can't change other people, only how you respond to them.

AnotherEmma · 14/03/2025 08:18

BadgersGalore · 14/03/2025 07:53

Yes your DM is obviously massively out of order but your DH really needs to work on his communication. There's really no excuse for him keeping it to himself and sulking. I would be equally cross with him tbh, as you can't choose your parents but you did choose him.

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TorroFerney · 14/03/2025 08:19

Why do you say she’s kind and well meaning? Has she told you that? She’s awful . Id suggest no good confronting her she’s not going to have an epiphany, withdraw, grey rock, information diet.

ClaredeBear · 14/03/2025 08:19

LuckyBea · 14/03/2025 07:00

I wouldn't confront your mum about this, I can see why you want to, but she is a narcissist and will just cry and wail and make it all about her - and it will not change her behaviour in the future. It will only create more aggro for yourself to deal with.

Hopefully your husband will now know better than to believe anything she says to him in the future - I would be making sure he knows the exact truth about your mum's lies and exaggerations.

I would be trying to have as little contact with her as possible in general, tbh.

Good advice. Anyone suggesting confrontation at any level is a good idea has never had to deal with a narcissistic parent. No/low contact is the only way to deal with it. Anything else just feeds them.

cleo333 · 14/03/2025 08:20

Stand together with your husband and boundary her . She had too much of your head space - have you considered therapy ?

Hwi · 14/03/2025 08:20

"Obviously it’s not easy cooking for 4 kids on my own in a really crap kitchen".

Do you know what is not easy? Providing for 5 mouths and putting up with a crazy old bat of a MIL, working on an oil rig, not in some office. That is what not easy. Your poor husband (I am saying this as a sole breadwinner, not because he is a man).

TorroFerney · 14/03/2025 08:21

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 14/03/2025 08:07

Off doesn't mean sulking. Off can mean upset. Or depressed. Or just processing something

No it’s a punishment with these people. Silent treatment and being off. Emotionally mature people don’t do it well they do but know they are doing it and have a word with themselves or say to the other person can we have a chat and clear the air.

DubheYouCantBeSirius · 14/03/2025 08:23

I'm really tolerant but I would never forgive her for this.

You are clearly the polar opposite of your mother OP and thankfully your DH can see this but your marriage could have been flung on the rocks by this attempt of hers.

I would phase her so low, I would barely feature in her life and all messages to and from would be joint with DH. Her behaviour is intolerable.

Her orchestrating it to sound like she is your mouthpiece and with enough truth smattered in to sound real? Hells teeth!

No matter how 'nuclear' she might go, I would not care. Breathtaking!

ArcticBlasts · 14/03/2025 08:24

I too don't know what 'off' means really.

It can mean 'distant' and not communicating.
That's not great adult behaviour to be honest.

If her H was upset, he should have told her- unless he's afraid of OP and didn't want to upset her.

He probably feels he's pig in the middle between his wife and her awkward mother. And he didn't want to make a bad situation worse.

ArcticBlasts · 14/03/2025 08:27

DubheYouCantBeSirius · 14/03/2025 08:23

I'm really tolerant but I would never forgive her for this.

You are clearly the polar opposite of your mother OP and thankfully your DH can see this but your marriage could have been flung on the rocks by this attempt of hers.

I would phase her so low, I would barely feature in her life and all messages to and from would be joint with DH. Her behaviour is intolerable.

Her orchestrating it to sound like she is your mouthpiece and with enough truth smattered in to sound real? Hells teeth!

No matter how 'nuclear' she might go, I would not care. Breathtaking!

Why not talk to her instead?

The woman clearly has a problem but if everyone has tiptoed around her all her life, she's maybe not aware of the impact of her behaviour.

Ignoring her behaviour is IMO rather weak and passive.
It's letting her off the hook.

Isn't it better to communicate how you feel?

Being assertive is explaining calmly how you feel. It's not withdrawing or casting someone off in your life.

Toucanfusingforme · 14/03/2025 08:28

Since being in the centre of things and getting attention is what she wants, just don’t give her a reaction. Just ignore it and don’t mention it to her, however furious you are with her.
If you confront her - she gets a lovely lot of drama.
If you tell her you’re going low contact - she gets a lovely thing to get dramatic about.
If she knows you and husband fell out over it - she gets a lovely lot of drama.
Try and gradually reduce contact if you can but not obviously. Be “unavailable” for perfectly valid reasons when you can.
Keep good communication with your husband and try to protect your kids from her bad behaviour if you can. Try to take some control without letting her realise.

ValentinesGranny · 14/03/2025 08:30

Save your breath with DM. You just need to get DH to ignore (smile and nod) her as he usually does, that she is projecting her demands of him by using you to get her dig in. He should know after a long marriage what you are like and that this doesn't ring true.

Lavender14 · 14/03/2025 08:31

I think op given what you've described, I would be going very low contact with her. She's making your children uncomfortable and telling lies that could have harmed your marriage. That's huge.

I also have a difficult mum and I think when you grow up with it there's a tendency to just accept it as your lot in life because you never feel listened to and you know there is no accountability but you're not a child, this is YOUR home and you get to set the boundaries here. I would actually sit her down with your dh there and challenge her together so she's not able to deny and tell her very clearly that if she ever meddles like that again the relationship with her will be done, that she needs to start taking responsibility for her own emotions instead of putting them on the children and if she can't respect your boundaries then you'll have to act accordingly. She'll probably get upset but it'll only work if you stand firm and are prepared to follow through consistently every single time. In my experience the only thing I found that worked was treating it like I was the adult and my mum was acting like the child and being consistent. If you don't feel able to do that then you go very low contact with no explanation- you don't actually owe her one if she's affecting your family.

harriethoyle · 14/03/2025 08:32

Why on earth is your husband giving credence to your batshit mother? He should know and trust you and not be so naive. I’d have more of an issue with that than her usual nonsense tbh.