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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

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DoreenonTill8 · 26/08/2024 18:12

40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). sorry is that a typo? 9 miles is an hour by train or a 40 min drive?

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 18:15

Don't speak to his ex that would be crazy. He is putting his child first (rightly) and isn't rushing into a new marriage (rightly), it looks like you have different priorities, why don't you find someone who doesn't already have kids instead of feeling like you are competing with his?

ActualChips · 26/08/2024 18:15

Didn't read the entire thing, but it's good that he parents his kid. He chose to have her, so he should see her as often as possible, that's a bare minimum thing for a parent. You're only dating and the relationship won't go anywhere, so it's up to you whether you want to enjoy dating without drudgery, or find a man to risk your assets for by marrying, or simply enjoy singledom.
You know he won't move or marry, so it's up to you what you do with that information.

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:15

It’s not working for you. It really comes down to that.

it was irresponsible of him to say he would move to you and have dd less. Regardless of the problems you perceive with his ex. A man who just decided to love away and have less days with his child, for his girlfriend is irresponsible.

and if his ex is struggling to have the child, it could be that the child is there permanently at some point.

You can go through each bit you are unhappy with and try to find a way to fix each bit. You can try to convince him to move to you. Try to Convince him to marry. But you shouldn’t need to put in all that work to make a relationship to work for you.

MoxFulder · 26/08/2024 18:17

I think you're being unreasonable to expect him to prioritise you over his young DD.

I think you'd be better off in a relationship with someone who does not have a child.

The whole 9 mile/40 minute thing sounds a bit mad, that's not far at all. Why don't you drive? Of course it's more important that he lives nearer his DD and school than you.

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:17

And for god sake do not speak to his ex and moan about how her and he parent makes you unhappy.

Your issue is with him.

MoxFulder · 26/08/2024 18:18

I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me

Good god no don't do this !!

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:19

DoreenonTill8 · 26/08/2024 18:12

40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). sorry is that a typo? 9 miles is an hour by train or a 40 min drive?

We live in London so crazily yes these distances are right, not typos. The train is 30 minutes but add 30 minutes walking time to that door to door.

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/08/2024 18:20

If the ex cannot look after the daughter properly then her dad NEEDS to be there. 10 years olds still needs a lot of looking after - either wait it out and accept it or leave. His daughter may well need him around more than 50% at the moment.

WhamBamThankU · 26/08/2024 18:20

He sounds like a great, loving dad.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:20

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:19

We live in London so crazily yes these distances are right, not typos. The train is 30 minutes but add 30 minutes walking time to that door to door.

there are various 20m per hour zones too not to mention traffic. The drive/car/taxi can be nearly an hour if traffic is bad.

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mushpush · 26/08/2024 18:21

I wouldn't speak to the ex, that's just not going to go well.

The thing is I think you're thinking about this the wrong way - when his ex changes plans last minute or moves things around, he's not agreeing to those things thinking about how easy he's making his exes life (or picking her over you) - he's agreeing to those things because he's a dad and his daughter is his priority, so needing to look after her is going to take priority. If he said no, it would be impacting his daughter too. His daughter needs to be his priority, you're probably not compatible if you can't see that his actions are prioritising her not his ex.

He sounds like a good dad. I think you can't just say he's "doing more than his fair share" - parenting isn't 50/50 normally, so actually if he's having her less than the 100% of the time he would in a non separated situation, he's having her less than his fair share!

cupcaske123 · 26/08/2024 18:21

Don't speak to his ex. It's been like this for four years and is unlikely to change anytime soon. I would cut my losses.

I'm also wondering how 9 miles takes so long. It would be quicker by bike.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:23

sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/08/2024 18:20

If the ex cannot look after the daughter properly then her dad NEEDS to be there. 10 years olds still needs a lot of looking after - either wait it out and accept it or leave. His daughter may well need him around more than 50% at the moment.

I find it upsetting that he can't simply say "sorry, I have plans with DP" or "that is the night that I see DP" or "can we at least swap a night" i.e. if we can reschedule our night together. But he won't. He just says "yes". If our time had been booked and paid for e.g. a weekend away then she wouldn't be able to take advantage. But we can't book and pay for all our time together.

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StormingNorman · 26/08/2024 18:24

You are giving yourself too much importance in his life. You don’t take his daughter on holiday with you; you go on holiday with them. They are family and as a girlfriend you fit in around his other priorities.

TBH you already sound really resentful and like you’re having problems fitting in with the co-parenting dynamic, so I would suggest the step mum life isn’t for you.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 18:24

I couldn't read the whole the post as it was getting pointless. There is no maximum amount of time to look after a child, he is not doing more than his fair share. He is a parent, he's obviously one of the good ones. You don't accept his parental responsibility or respect it, that is fine, I would struggle to play second fiddle too, I would want to be a priority, which is why I wouldn't date a man with a child. Your lives just aren't compatible right now.

Kosenrufugirl · 26/08/2024 18:24

If you want to spend more time together would you consider getting another job closer to where he lives? I do appreciate it's upsetting he back tracked on the original promises. However a parent-child bond is very difficult to explain. You could be very happy together however you need to accept that the parent-child bond will almost always come first. This regularly happens in committed marriages with joint children.

pinkyredrose · 26/08/2024 18:25

Why does he drop everything every time his ex wants a favour? Have you asked him why he cancels plans already made?

He could and should say no. Surely it's confusing for the kid not knowing where they're going to be.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:25

WhamBamThankU · 26/08/2024 18:20

He sounds like a great, loving dad.

He is and it's one of the things I like about him. I would be concerned if he wasn't a good dad.

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SauviGone · 26/08/2024 18:26

He sounds like a decent dad but a shit partner - and he’s one of those men that can’t find a way to be both.

Like you, I’d be furious if I wasted a bank holiday and could have been doing something with friends while he bends to his ex’s every whim.

In lots of ways it’d actually be easier if he had his DD 100% of the time because at least then you can make plans and know they won’t need to be changed last minute.

I just don’t think this relationship is going to work.

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:26

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:23

I find it upsetting that he can't simply say "sorry, I have plans with DP" or "that is the night that I see DP" or "can we at least swap a night" i.e. if we can reschedule our night together. But he won't. He just says "yes". If our time had been booked and paid for e.g. a weekend away then she wouldn't be able to take advantage. But we can't book and pay for all our time together.

Because you both believe her mum isn’t coping.

No decent parent would say no if they suspect the other parent isn’t coping. They wouldn’t leave their child in that situation.

Mickey79 · 26/08/2024 18:27

He shouldn’t be cancelling plans with you last minute, unless there’s an emergency. It is inconsiderate. Him initially saying he would move and see less of his child would actually be a red flag for me, but at least he has backtracked on that. It sounds like you’d be better suited to someone who doesn’t already have a child.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:28

pinkyredrose · 26/08/2024 18:25

Why does he drop everything every time his ex wants a favour? Have you asked him why he cancels plans already made?

He could and should say no. Surely it's confusing for the kid not knowing where they're going to be.

This is what I cannot understand. I ask him and he doesn't seem to have an answer for me. It's like he is too meek to say no or he is afraid of confrontation with her (he doesn't like confrontation - but then he ends up having it with me when he says "can't come over tonight as planned as I have DD now - ex has something on". I say, well why didn't you check with me, why don't you ask her to swap a night" and he doesn't have answers. He just gets defensive and avoidant about it. Yes his DD is pingponged about thanks to her mum. She seems oblivious to it luckily.

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Kosenrufugirl · 26/08/2024 18:32

Can you ask him if you could move in together to his place? I don't see this relationship is going to work any other way. You need some commitment to you. Not necessarily a marriage but some commitment.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:35

Mickey79 · 26/08/2024 18:27

He shouldn’t be cancelling plans with you last minute, unless there’s an emergency. It is inconsiderate. Him initially saying he would move and see less of his child would actually be a red flag for me, but at least he has backtracked on that. It sounds like you’d be better suited to someone who doesn’t already have a child.

Yes it is inconsiderate of him always cancelling on me for her endless reasons. Regarding him initially saying he would see less of his child, he just thought she could be with her mum more of the weeknights and more with us at weekends and holidays. This would have allowed him to live with me in my area. I didn't see it as a red flag because i think divorced parents can't always do an exact 50/50 split and it isn't always possible to be restricted to living near ex. He actually moved to the area he lives now to live near his ex and DD when she divorced him, because he wanted to still see his DD.

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