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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

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BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 19:02

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:00

Sorry it was a long post. He said that he wanted us to be together always and I thought i'd found a life partner. He is the one that brought up marriage and moving in with me early on - which is what I wanted too. I guess he was just saying what I wanted to hear. I know he has to prioritise his DD but it's hurtful and unbelievable how he allows his selfish, inconsiderate ex to cancel our plans to see each other which damages our relationship.

People change. Maybe he doesn't want marriage with you and he is using his ex as a convenient out. You need to talk to him but for the love of God don't main about the time he spends with his child. This has to be about you and your feelings. I know they are linked but you need to stop sounding like a jealous person and a grown up with valid desires - marriage etc.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:03

GKD · 26/08/2024 18:35

I wouldn’t like this, but I also couldn’t be with or respect a man that didn’t prioritise his child.

This package deal doesn't work for you, it’s possible you are more into him than he is you.

So maybe it’s time to call it a day.

I am fine with him prioritising his child, I just don't like him allowing his ex to walk all over him and by default me. It wouldn't take much to stand up to her a bit but he can't /won't

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/08/2024 19:03

He's making good use of you, isn't he? As PP upthread said, 'he's a good father but a shit partner''. How long will you let him keep putting you way down the list?

Cut your losses and get out of there, you will never, ever be a priority and he will always let you get your money out to sub him. Don't let him keep doing this, it doesn't mean that he loves you, just that you make this 'relationship' very easy for him.

The fact that you said in your last post that if you wanted to end the relationship he would accept it is very sad because you know it's true. If your relationship mattered to him at all then he would be doing better by you. Yes, his daughter is his priority but that doesn't mean that anybody else in his life who also does things with his daughter, is to be totally disregarded at the daughter-altar. That's pathetic.

Do yourself an enormous favour, OP, see this for the wake up call it is for you - and dump him. There is better out there, someone who will make you a priority at least some of the time. Not this.

Biggaybear · 26/08/2024 19:03

Firstly, he's being a great father by prioritising his daughter when he needs to.

But secondly he is a bit of a doormat by agreeing to everything his ex wants. And then not apologising & explaining why to you.

This relationship is not for you. Certainly not now whilst his DD is still young & needs him. In 5 years time things will be different. In 10 years time totally different. Not expecting you to wait around that long but just to say it's the wrong time for a relationship if you want more from.

As you say, you might not find better. Who knows. Just depends if you want to take that chance. I've been in this situation (sort of) when my 3 kids decided they couldnt live with their mum anymore & moved in with me. The 5 year relationship I was in at the time had to take a back seat & has been on & off since then. My only priority has been my kids.

I would say you need to finish with him. Nothing is going to change in the short term. Find someone without kids & who can prioritise you more, if that is what you want.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:03

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:01

There aren't many men my age that don't have kids and I found the ones that don't tend to be those with commitment issues and have sort of chosen that bachelor lifestyle. Or there may be some that haven't met the right woman and really want to have kids - but I don't want kids. Especially at 43.

There are men out there who can manage to be good dads and partners and who aren't under their ex's thumb.

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 19:06

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:01

There aren't many men my age that don't have kids and I found the ones that don't tend to be those with commitment issues and have sort of chosen that bachelor lifestyle. Or there may be some that haven't met the right woman and really want to have kids - but I don't want kids. Especially at 43.

I know it’s hard, I get it - men without kids are fewer and fewer once you get past 35. But I think it’s worth it to keep looking for someone who is right for you if you’re looking for a life partner.

Yes some men without kids in their 40s do have commitment issues and want a bachelor life, but you only have to read on the relationship boards here to realise a lot of men who have been married and have kids aren’t too dissimilar!

Unless you want a man who shirks his responsibilities as a father your best bet is to move on and keep looking for a child free man or the resentment will grow.

Also you’re only 43, so you should consider men in their late 30s - that will expand your pool of childfree men a bit. Not every man wants children!

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:09

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:02

Doesn't that tell you something? That if you said you wanted to break up he'd be fine with it. He wouldn't fight for you.

Well I am just speculating but yes I can't imagine him fighting for me, I guess I know him enough to expect he will just accept it. I know when his ex wanted a divorce he didn't challenge it, he just let it happen. Even though he wasn't expecting it and didn't want to get divorced. Not that he wants to get back with her, she hurt him too much plus has a long term boyfriend now.

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PeachyKeane · 26/08/2024 19:09

He loves his child, she is his priority as she should be.

You either accept this or move on.

Fluufer · 26/08/2024 19:10

Where does he live in London that is so far from trains that you couldn't possibly get to work?
He's putting his DD first, you can't ask him to do otherwise. You will have to be a bit more flexible.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:11

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:03

There are men out there who can manage to be good dads and partners and who aren't under their ex's thumb.

that is exactly what I think. this could all work so perfectly if he could just stand up to her

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Chewbecca · 26/08/2024 19:14

He says Yes because he thinks it is in his daughter's best interests and yes, she is his No1.

That's something that you either need to make your peace with or call it quits. Don't try to change him.

On the plus side, know that this phase will pass, his DD will grow up, become independent and won't need him like she does now.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:16

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 18:15

Don't speak to his ex that would be crazy. He is putting his child first (rightly) and isn't rushing into a new marriage (rightly), it looks like you have different priorities, why don't you find someone who doesn't already have kids instead of feeling like you are competing with his?

His ex doesn't know how her selfish inconsiderate behaviour impacts me. She gives no sh*ts how it impacts my DP. But yes may not be best if I speak to her. Most men my age have kids or want kids (i don't want my own at age 43 - my body isn't ready for that now!), or they have commitment issues. I thought I'd met such a wonderful man with my DP, a great dad to his DD who wanted a life with me in it too. I don't feel I am competing with his DD, I am just hurt to be constantly dropped and cancelled on and frankly neglected because he won't say no to his ex.

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Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 19:18

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:11

that is exactly what I think. this could all work so perfectly if he could just stand up to her

@Gessy

This is why I’m advising to steer clear of men with kids . You could get with one and things are fine and calm and the arrangement/relationships he has with his ex and child works for you, but then for some reason - valid or otherwise - his partner wants him to have the kids say 5 days a week instead of 3. And this kind of thing is hardly a rare occurrence.

There was a thread on here a while ago with someone who had been with her partner for a while, then his teen started having behavioural issues and decided to move in which upturned all their plans for the type of house they wanted to buy together.

So sometimes it’s not even just about the ex partner.

I’m sure that’s not your intention, but please don’t do anything which may unwittingly interfere with the relationship he has with his child. It’s best to walk away. She was there before you and she will always be there.

It’s time to move on or accept this.

If I were you I’d do the former!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/08/2024 19:19

If he were in any way decent partner material, OP, he would leave dating until he has time and attention that he can spend with a partner. He's giving you the absolute dregs... and you're taking it.

It's not his ex's fault or his daughter's although both are enjoying pulling his chain - it's his lacking. If he wanted to do better, he would.

I can imagine that he feels quite happy and secure knowing that he makes his family happy and has an adoring girlfriend on tap. I'm actually really angry on your behalf. Angry

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 19:19

He says Yes because he thinks it is in his daughter's best interests and yes, she is his No1.

That's something that you either need to make your peace with or call it quits. Don't try to change him

This, exactly.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:20

Fluufer · 26/08/2024 19:10

Where does he live in London that is so far from trains that you couldn't possibly get to work?
He's putting his DD first, you can't ask him to do otherwise. You will have to be a bit more flexible.

I could get to work but it won't be as easy as it is for me now. He is Zone 4 with one train that is a long walk from his - but we could rent a bit closer. Thing is I hear there are weekly issues with the train , strikes, cancellations which are very frustrating for people on that train line. It will also double my journey time or more. I currently have a couple of different tube lines and a train as options to get to work with departures every couple minutes instead of every 20.

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Moonshine5 · 26/08/2024 19:21

Why don't you go home when he and his daughter go to bed?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:21

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/08/2024 19:19

If he were in any way decent partner material, OP, he would leave dating until he has time and attention that he can spend with a partner. He's giving you the absolute dregs... and you're taking it.

It's not his ex's fault or his daughter's although both are enjoying pulling his chain - it's his lacking. If he wanted to do better, he would.

I can imagine that he feels quite happy and secure knowing that he makes his family happy and has an adoring girlfriend on tap. I'm actually really angry on your behalf. Angry

Edited

thank you , i have to agree with you

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Fluufer · 26/08/2024 19:23

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:20

I could get to work but it won't be as easy as it is for me now. He is Zone 4 with one train that is a long walk from his - but we could rent a bit closer. Thing is I hear there are weekly issues with the train , strikes, cancellations which are very frustrating for people on that train line. It will also double my journey time or more. I currently have a couple of different tube lines and a train as options to get to work with departures every couple minutes instead of every 20.

You won't do the journey to work, but you would expect him to do it with his child in tow?
You really can't ask a man to move away from his child. You'll have to compromise.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:23

Moonshine5 · 26/08/2024 19:21

Why don't you go home when he and his daughter go to bed?

I guess because I want to spend time with them the next day and he wants me to spend with him and his DD together. I guess I could say not staying over anymore until she sleeps by herself and ask him to run me to the station before bed time (or get expensive taxi home).

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DoIWantTo · 26/08/2024 19:23

Of course he should be saying yes to every opportunity of seeing his kid. What kind of adult doesn’t understand that?!

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 19:28

Almost 70% voted YABU including me a fellow childfree woman , and most comments are express the same sentiment - please reflect on that.

It’s Ok to want a man to prioritise you, I expect nothing less in my relationships! however when you’ve walked into a situation where a man has a young child (she was about 5 years old when you got with him right?) this is the big risk you take - that he may actually be a decent father 😆

As pp have said all decent men would jump at the chance to spent more time with their young child and that’s the way it should be.

I can see the way this thread is going so I’m out after this comment as it’s clear to me you aren’t ready to accept what the majority are telling you - accept it or move on.

BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 19:28

The thing is that standing up to his ex and saying no means he then doesn't see his child on that occasion.

I always knew my h wouldn't fight for me if it came to it. It did. He didn't. Listen to your gut.

#happytobedivorced

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:30

Fluufer · 26/08/2024 19:23

You won't do the journey to work, but you would expect him to do it with his child in tow?
You really can't ask a man to move away from his child. You'll have to compromise.

well i would try it by renting with him over that way. He wouldn't need to do that journey by public transport or otherwise since he doesn't need to go into central London to or from my area. He also has a car so isn't reliant on public transport. No I wouldn't ask him to move away from his child - he suggested it because it's 9 miles and he has a car and would just switch the days around i.e. she stays with her mum most week days and us at weekends. So 3 days per week with him instead of 3.5 he does now (actually he does more than that as I say because his ex likes to get as much time off from looking after her DD as possible) but he's realised since not possible because his ex always palming off DD on to him and he ends up doing nearly all the pick ups because his ex can't /won't take proper responsibility for her child.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:32

DoIWantTo · 26/08/2024 19:23

Of course he should be saying yes to every opportunity of seeing his kid. What kind of adult doesn’t understand that?!

Even if they've made plans to see someone and has to constantly hurt them and let them down? If your friend made a regular plan to see you and constantly let you down then I doubt you'd be understanding

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