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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

OP posts:
GKD · 26/08/2024 18:35

I wouldn’t like this, but I also couldn’t be with or respect a man that didn’t prioritise his child.

This package deal doesn't work for you, it’s possible you are more into him than he is you.

So maybe it’s time to call it a day.

Fortesque · 26/08/2024 18:36

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Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:37

The fact of the matter is you're not a priority to him at all and he'd rather please his ex than you. You feel unimportant to him because you are. You're basically the backup plan for when he doesn't have his kid.

People will say he's prioritising his child but he's not, he's prioritising his ex. It's not like he's saying yes constantly to the ex because his child is unsafe or not being looked after, it's for his ex's convenience. Why are the ex's plans more important than yours. He's also prioritising himself because he can't be arsed with the argo from the ex if he were to say no. So basically you're the bottom of the pile.

A man being a good dad is attractive yea, but being completely spineless and flakey is a major turn off. No wonder you're so upset by this situation. I'd cut my losses and leave him to be a doormat to his ex. You deserve to be someone's priority.

My DH has his kids 50:50. The ex asks him to have them extra now and again or for swaps. DH will always run it past me first and will tell the ex no if we already have plans. It is possible to be a good parent and a good partner but sadly your boyfriend doesn't seem to be capable of that. He should stay single until he learns to stand up to his ex.

fluffi · 26/08/2024 18:37

Of course he is going to prioritise his DD. Her mother doesn't seem to care that much if shes always prioritising her own life and plans, and at least one parent needs to show the child some love and attention.

Dating a responsible man with a child, who loves his kid, the girlfriend (you) always going to be second fiddle. Either you accept it (and the cancellations etc that come with children) or you date a man without kids under 18 or date a man that is an uncaring, uninvolved father.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:38

Kosenrufugirl · 26/08/2024 18:32

Can you ask him if you could move in together to his place? I don't see this relationship is going to work any other way. You need some commitment to you. Not necessarily a marriage but some commitment.

his two bed flat is a bit small for both us and DD, we'd all be on top of each other which he worries will be a strain on us all. It's too far from a train station for me to get to work. Hence why renting a 3 bed a bit nearer the station (that still doesn't give me the good transport links I have now but I'd be willing to make a sacrifice (maybe foolishly because my job is my livelihood) for our relationship)

OP posts:
Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:41

mushpush · 26/08/2024 18:21

I wouldn't speak to the ex, that's just not going to go well.

The thing is I think you're thinking about this the wrong way - when his ex changes plans last minute or moves things around, he's not agreeing to those things thinking about how easy he's making his exes life (or picking her over you) - he's agreeing to those things because he's a dad and his daughter is his priority, so needing to look after her is going to take priority. If he said no, it would be impacting his daughter too. His daughter needs to be his priority, you're probably not compatible if you can't see that his actions are prioritising her not his ex.

He sounds like a good dad. I think you can't just say he's "doing more than his fair share" - parenting isn't 50/50 normally, so actually if he's having her less than the 100% of the time he would in a non separated situation, he's having her less than his fair share!

I wonder if the ex would be happy to have her DD last minute because OPs partner wanted to move things around to take OP out for dinner.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:43

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:28

This is what I cannot understand. I ask him and he doesn't seem to have an answer for me. It's like he is too meek to say no or he is afraid of confrontation with her (he doesn't like confrontation - but then he ends up having it with me when he says "can't come over tonight as planned as I have DD now - ex has something on". I say, well why didn't you check with me, why don't you ask her to swap a night" and he doesn't have answers. He just gets defensive and avoidant about it. Yes his DD is pingponged about thanks to her mum. She seems oblivious to it luckily.

His ex is more important to him than you. Her plans are more important than yours. Her time is more important than yours. Dump him and find someone who actually appreciates you.

SauviGone · 26/08/2024 18:45

For the love of god don’t move in with, or move near him. That’s not going to make him any better as a partner.

You’ve sacrificed enough for this non-starter relationship already. You’ll just end up feeling even more resentful than you do now with an even longer travel time to work and to see friends.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:47

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:41

I wonder if the ex would be happy to have her DD last minute because OPs partner wanted to move things around to take OP out for dinner.

We have never asked except when we go on holiday each year for a week together. If we did, she would ask to swap a night. When we went away for a week recently she made him do two weekends running prior to our holiday, the night before our early flight, pick up DD early morning the morning after we got back (late flight) and insisted he had DD all the next week giving him one night off. The guy is frequently shattered and doesn't get headspace he needs or time to go to the gym or a run except when he's with me - if he has time/energy to see me after his ex has finished stealing his (our) time.

OP posts:
SquirrelSoShiny · 26/08/2024 18:47

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:43

His ex is more important to him than you. Her plans are more important than yours. Her time is more important than yours. Dump him and find someone who actually appreciates you.

Pretty much this. Sorry OP. I walked away from a similar relationship many years ago for a similar situation.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:49

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:47

We have never asked except when we go on holiday each year for a week together. If we did, she would ask to swap a night. When we went away for a week recently she made him do two weekends running prior to our holiday, the night before our early flight, pick up DD early morning the morning after we got back (late flight) and insisted he had DD all the next week giving him one night off. The guy is frequently shattered and doesn't get headspace he needs or time to go to the gym or a run except when he's with me - if he has time/energy to see me after his ex has finished stealing his (our) time.

It's his own fault though for being a wet wipe.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:51

SauviGone · 26/08/2024 18:45

For the love of god don’t move in with, or move near him. That’s not going to make him any better as a partner.

You’ve sacrificed enough for this non-starter relationship already. You’ll just end up feeling even more resentful than you do now with an even longer travel time to work and to see friends.

This is what worries me TBH. My friend says I should take a risk otherwise I might regret not having given it a proper try. She said I could try to get a different job (really not that easy and likely lower paid - money we'd seriously need if we were to buy a place together) I also read that sometimes you have to choose the least worst option. Breaking up with him would feel worse. But then I haven't tried the moving in. That could be regrettable.

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BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 18:52

I'm sorry but I couldn't read all that.

You can't compare prioritising his dd over you. She's his child and always will be. You're just the current girlfriend.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:53

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/08/2024 18:47

Pretty much this. Sorry OP. I walked away from a similar relationship many years ago for a similar situation.

Did it give him a wake up call to try to make you more of a priority? I think if i said I wanted to end it he would just accept it.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:54

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:49

It's his own fault though for being a wet wipe.

I have to agree .He can't stand up for himself or for me

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BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 18:55

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:23

I find it upsetting that he can't simply say "sorry, I have plans with DP" or "that is the night that I see DP" or "can we at least swap a night" i.e. if we can reschedule our night together. But he won't. He just says "yes". If our time had been booked and paid for e.g. a weekend away then she wouldn't be able to take advantage. But we can't book and pay for all our time together.

Because he should put his young child before seeing you. Sorry but that's the way it should be.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:55

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:41

I wonder if the ex would be happy to have her DD last minute because OPs partner wanted to move things around to take OP out for dinner.

no she would either ask to swap a night or simply say that she had plans with her boyfriends / friends / work event.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:56

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:55

no she would either ask to swap a night or simply say that she had plans with her boyfriends / friends / work event.

we've never asked and my ex never would because he doesn't like to mess with the schedule. But the schedule is whatever whim his ex has

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Twoshoesnewshoes · 26/08/2024 18:58

Honestly OP - walk away and find someone without kids who wants to build a future with you.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 18:59

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:51

This is what worries me TBH. My friend says I should take a risk otherwise I might regret not having given it a proper try. She said I could try to get a different job (really not that easy and likely lower paid - money we'd seriously need if we were to buy a place together) I also read that sometimes you have to choose the least worst option. Breaking up with him would feel worse. But then I haven't tried the moving in. That could be regrettable.

Please for the love of god do not give up your home and job for him. Even if you lived closer he would still flake on you constantly and cancel plans. Don't make all these huge sacrifices for him when he makes none for you.

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 18:59

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 18:15

Don't speak to his ex that would be crazy. He is putting his child first (rightly) and isn't rushing into a new marriage (rightly), it looks like you have different priorities, why don't you find someone who doesn't already have kids instead of feeling like you are competing with his?

Exactly. I’m a childfree woman in my thirties and I don’t date men with kids because I know and understand that any decent father will prioritise his child. And I wouldn’t want to be with the kind of man who didn’t.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:00

BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 18:52

I'm sorry but I couldn't read all that.

You can't compare prioritising his dd over you. She's his child and always will be. You're just the current girlfriend.

Sorry it was a long post. He said that he wanted us to be together always and I thought i'd found a life partner. He is the one that brought up marriage and moving in with me early on - which is what I wanted too. I guess he was just saying what I wanted to hear. I know he has to prioritise his DD but it's hurtful and unbelievable how he allows his selfish, inconsiderate ex to cancel our plans to see each other which damages our relationship.

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Doesthishurt · 26/08/2024 19:00

Oh, wah, wah, wah - poor you.
Your OH's DD is his priority, as she should be.
Wouldn't want to be the DD in this situation, passed around from pillar to post like an inconvenience.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:01

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 18:59

Exactly. I’m a childfree woman in my thirties and I don’t date men with kids because I know and understand that any decent father will prioritise his child. And I wouldn’t want to be with the kind of man who didn’t.

There aren't many men my age that don't have kids and I found the ones that don't tend to be those with commitment issues and have sort of chosen that bachelor lifestyle. Or there may be some that haven't met the right woman and really want to have kids - but I don't want kids. Especially at 43.

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Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:02

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:53

Did it give him a wake up call to try to make you more of a priority? I think if i said I wanted to end it he would just accept it.

Doesn't that tell you something? That if you said you wanted to break up he'd be fine with it. He wouldn't fight for you.