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He won't protect our relationship

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:30

eggandchip · 26/08/2024 22:24

Its down to him to say something.
What goes on between them as parents as nothing to do with you.
You will always be second best and rightfully so child comes first.
If you dont like it end it and date men that dont have kids.

yes up to him to say something but he won't.
i suppose if i were living with DP then it would be to do with me and I would more easily be able to say something.
Yes children need to be priority, I agree and am sad for children who aren't. Including how my DPs ex treats DD as less priority than her social life. I am not opposed to men who have kids because most my age do and I don't mind having kids around. Too old for my own. I just didn't anticipate I would be treated the way I have been.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:33

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:26

Because you both believe her mum isn’t coping.

No decent parent would say no if they suspect the other parent isn’t coping. They wouldn’t leave their child in that situation.

child isn't at risk, the ex is really just selfish and prioritise her own social life. she needs to step up . no one said being a parent is easy. others manage on their own 100% of time.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:42

pinkyredrose · 26/08/2024 18:25

Why does he drop everything every time his ex wants a favour? Have you asked him why he cancels plans already made?

He could and should say no. Surely it's confusing for the kid not knowing where they're going to be.

I ask him and he just doesn't have answers other than he doesn't know or doesn't want to say no, doesn't want argument/ confrontation, she has no one else to depend on / to ask. But today it simply was, "can I drop off DD early because I will be nearby yours at a friends and saves taking her on a bus journey back to my place only for you to collect her a few hours later". She often puts things in a guilt trip kind of way so my DP doesn't want to think of his poor DD having to go back on the bus and getting pingponged about. She also says DD is afraid to get in taxis/ubers. This is because the ex has created a panic situation for DD in taxis about getting her seat belt on and mum getting upset when driver drives off without seatbelt on . So now the DD is "afraid of taxis in case driver drives off before she's put seatbelt on", which means my DP has has to do more picking up by car and drop offs otherwise ex tells him how she will have to put DD on a bus standing for half hour after a long tiring day during rush hour. Really she guilt trips him to save her self money on taxis. She really is a piece of work.

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BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 22:47

Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:22

well the implication would be that if I lived with DP and she didn't want to do her job as a parent then we'd seek full custody.

Does he know that?

I fail to see that he'd want to live with you and co-parent when he doesn't seem to want to be in a full relationship with you.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 22:52

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:22

his ex would simply have to step up and not be selfish about her own personal plans, she'd have to, his DD is not at risk. Her list of excuses ranges from seeing her boyfriend, her friends, her aunt's birthday, last minute work events, not being able to get home on time, concert, yoga retreats abroad - I am not saying she can't live her life, it's just she doesn't give us that time back so we can't live ours and my time gets wasted.

Wow! So he cancels plans with his girlfriend so his ex can spend time with her boyfriend. He really is spineless isn't he?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:53

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 20:36

Trust me, she wouldn't care. Her plans are more important than spending time with her DD so why would your plans matter to her?

I was hoping to shame her into being a better parent. If that didn't work then I'd let her know I'm documenting . Point of that is for evidence when I encourage my DP to seek sole custody if I do move in with DP. Partly for the DD's sake of not being messed around by her mum and partly so my schedule was predictable and not constantly lain to waste.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:53

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 22:52

Wow! So he cancels plans with his girlfriend so his ex can spend time with her boyfriend. He really is spineless isn't he?

yes , it really is unbelievable

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SeaweedSundress · 26/08/2024 22:54

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 19:47

In the gentlest way possible his ex isn't and has no reason to give you a second thought. She has a co parenting relationship with your boyfriend, you don't even live together, it would be weird if they talked about you.

This relationship isn't working for you and you cant change him.

This, exactly. You’re probably not on her radar. If the relationship isn’t working for you after four years, I think your only option is to end it, and find someone who is in a place to prioritise you.

Quitelikeit · 26/08/2024 23:02

Are you for real? Why on earth are you tolerating this nonsense?

He does it to you because he can. This is not about his being an amazing father at all! This is about him being dominated by his ex wife to the detriment of YOU.

This will not change or improve. Don’t think love conquers all because it does not conquer weak men and their ex wives!

You are unhappy and will remain so until you finally decide to jump out of the ride. Once you jump out you might decide to get back on the ride - if you do you’ll soon jump back off again as nothing will change!!

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 23:03

Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:53

I was hoping to shame her into being a better parent. If that didn't work then I'd let her know I'm documenting . Point of that is for evidence when I encourage my DP to seek sole custody if I do move in with DP. Partly for the DD's sake of not being messed around by her mum and partly so my schedule was predictable and not constantly lain to waste.

Honestly, I think you're wasting your energy on both of them. Cut your losses and end this relationship. It's not serving you at all and it never will.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 23:03

Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:53

yes , it really is unbelievable

It's unbelievable that you're still with him.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 23:03

FFSWherearemyglasses · 26/08/2024 22:29

While he is seemingly a great dad, he is spineless and has zero respect for your time or boundaries; while his daughter is under 18 this won’t change.
Moving in with him may seem like the solution; it will be you making the sacrifices and you still won’t be able to make plans.
Sticking with him because “all decent men have kids” or because you may not find anyone else are not reasons to put up with being constantly let down; you will always have this resentment.
Who knows, as his daughter grows up and becomes less dependent on him he may have more flexibility; perhaps revisit the relationship then if you want to but for now, cool it off, enjoy your free time doing what you want to do and meet new people,
see him for a drink when YOU’re free but as it stands he doesn’t have space for you because he is a doormat and that’s his own fault.

If I end it then I don't believe I'd want to revisit at later date as he would have hurt me too much to let me go. Nor would I see him for a drink when I am free. Not without a huge apology at how much he's hurt me.

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InWalksBarberalla · 26/08/2024 23:05

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:16

His ex doesn't know how her selfish inconsiderate behaviour impacts me. She gives no sh*ts how it impacts my DP. But yes may not be best if I speak to her. Most men my age have kids or want kids (i don't want my own at age 43 - my body isn't ready for that now!), or they have commitment issues. I thought I'd met such a wonderful man with my DP, a great dad to his DD who wanted a life with me in it too. I don't feel I am competing with his DD, I am just hurt to be constantly dropped and cancelled on and frankly neglected because he won't say no to his ex.

I'd stop focusing on his ex - he's the one whose selfish and inconsiderate behaviour is impacting you - not hers. If he won't set boundaries with her that's on him not her.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 23:08

BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 22:47

Does he know that?

I fail to see that he'd want to live with you and co-parent when he doesn't seem to want to be in a full relationship with you.

No he doesn't know this, we have talked alot about moving in although less so lately due to arguments about his ex ruining our plans. I tolerated for a long time and then this year I cracked a bit

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FFSWherearemyglasses · 26/08/2024 23:13

Gessy · 26/08/2024 23:03

If I end it then I don't believe I'd want to revisit at later date as he would have hurt me too much to let me go. Nor would I see him for a drink when I am free. Not without a huge apology at how much he's hurt me.

Fair enough… I just suggested it because you don’t seem like you want to end it but staying is making you equally miserable 🤷🏼‍♀️

Cockerpooslave · 26/08/2024 23:29

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:10

I suppose i was hoping to shame her into behaving a bit better tbh (or maybe just get it off my chest or say if she can't take proper responsibility then I'd be happy to have full custody along with my DP). Ask her why she thinks it's acceptable for me to always take her DD on holiday , never her, to never do a bank holiday weekend, constantly stealing time from DP and me.

It has crossed my mind that his ex left him because of how he treated her. I have no idea.
I am starting to agree that he said those things and pretended just to ensnare me.

Sorry but you’re being silly now, and do you really think calling the women a shot mum (or words to that effect) would help?

He is being there for his daughter, which is the right thing to do. His ex sounds a bit shit, but to be fair it’s usually the dad that is shit rather than the mum so thousands of women deal with this every day.

Also not liking the slight edge against the daughter that she is demanding - she is 10, her parents broke up, her mum is disinterested and her dad has a girlfriend who resents her ( & however much you protest you don’t she will be able to tell).

You’re coming across as massively entitled and petulant, whatever you think is right/ wrong he is being there for his daughter and you either suck it up or go your own way, but for the love of god start being a grown up and take responsibility for your own feelings.

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/08/2024 23:49

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:53

Did it give him a wake up call to try to make you more of a priority? I think if i said I wanted to end it he would just accept it.

No it didn't. His son was his priority and his ex wife was very hostile. His whole life was about appeasing her.

His son is now a grown man and my ex never had another serious relationship. So I made the right call in walking away from him (though my own marriage has its ups and downs).

StormingNorman · 26/08/2024 23:50

Gessy · 26/08/2024 22:20

just a shame he can't be a good dad and a good DP to me too. They shouldn't and neednt be mutually exclusive. He just needs to get a backbone where his ex his concerned but he won't , so.

No but you thought him being a good DP was spending less time with his DC. You mentioned it twice. So it does seem they are mutually exclusive in your POV.

lazybrownfox · 27/08/2024 00:14

You get men who are like this - pushed about by exes - because they feel guilty about being in a broken up family. You also get men who are afraid of their exes in case the ex restricts access to the children. You get honourable men like this because they want to do the best in a situation like this. You get ex wives who use children to " get at " their ex. You have seen many replies on here by women like this who love to put you in your place by telling you that you are only the current girlfriend etc and it's none of your business. I've seen my husband's ex wife play these games - going off on holiday and only telling him when she was gone that she had left their 14 year old child alone at home. Leaving the bloody dog and cats alone 🤷‍♀️ . Not all exes are like this but you have to assess your situation and see how you think it is going. While they have responsibility towards their child they also have to be open to the responsibility of having a new partner in their life and not being bullied by the ex wife.

Gessy · 27/08/2024 01:15

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 21:30

Honestly this paired with your later posts about telling her you will have full custody are absolutely crazy. You dont even live together why are you paying for his daughter to go on holiday? I'm a step mum so am not in the 'everything step mums do is wrong camp' but you are majorly overstepping.

Yes I got quite worked up tonight. It’s easy to do when you’re in midst of breakup & feeling angry. The seeking full custody thing was suggested by at least one other poster for my DP as a solution to her messing around DD & us - remove her ability to mess us all around , upsetting everyone & allow us all predictable schedules. It didn’t occur to me before tonight. I guess I’m lashing out. I was imagining a life where I would live with him but probably not happening. As for paying towards her holidays, it seemed pretty to say I would pay less than 50/50 on accommodation.

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Hectorscalling · 27/08/2024 05:18

Honestly, all this ‘I am noting things in secret to go for full custody’ isn’t normal.

and to be honest, it wouldn’t help anyway. You would essentially be telling judge ‘they parent between them. She asks him to have her and he says yes and she leaves the child with other responsible adults sometimes’. That’s easily seen as 2 people amicably co-parenting.

and him getting full custody, doesn’t mean she won’t mess you about. No one is going to say she can’t ever see the child.

But what you are saying doesn’t make sense. You say she is a shit parent, can’t cope and so on. In that situation, in makes sense he is willing to say yes all the time rather than leave his child with someone who is shit and isn’t coping. But when that’s pointed out, you says he isn’t worried about his dd with her mum. So if he isn’t worried she isn’t that shit or not coping. But it’s also so bad you are writing everything down because you think there’s a chance you could move in and get full custody.

If it’s that bad he could get full custody, without you. If it’s bad he could be sorting it out now.

You seem to flip between it’s really bad and she is really shit, to it’s not bad and he isn’t worried about his child.

I do think there’s a chance that you may also not be getting the full story from him.

AnnaCBi · 27/08/2024 06:55

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:47

We have never asked except when we go on holiday each year for a week together. If we did, she would ask to swap a night. When we went away for a week recently she made him do two weekends running prior to our holiday, the night before our early flight, pick up DD early morning the morning after we got back (late flight) and insisted he had DD all the next week giving him one night off. The guy is frequently shattered and doesn't get headspace he needs or time to go to the gym or a run except when he's with me - if he has time/energy to see me after his ex has finished stealing his (our) time.

You know that parenting is getting up early after a holiday? Never having a night off? Most parents don’t get a week away with their partner without kids!

‘stealing’ your time.

its not wrong that you’re upset by it, I too would hate not being a priority, but I could never date someone who had a kid. I’d be upset they were being a good parent, which is wrong! Unfortunately when someone is a good parent they pick up the slack from the other, whether that parent is being ‘fair’ or not. My husband also doesn’t have time for the gym, has to get my daughter from nursery if I need him to, leave work early if she’s unwell etc

rainsofcastamere · 27/08/2024 07:17

You're picking on the wrong issue here. It's irrelevant whether the ex swaps and changes things around - why would she give a shit about your plans? So, stop blaming her.

Your boyfriend has a little girl and whether you like it or not he will always put her first, always prefer being in her company than yours and he will always let you down rather than her. He would sooner hurt/inconvenience you than not see her. And that is right and proper and as it should be.

Now, you don't have to put up with that of course not, I wouldn't. But you also have no right to moan when he does it, she was there first and she is his priority. Find a man without children or stay single!

Illpickthatup · 27/08/2024 07:35

AnnaCBi · 27/08/2024 06:55

You know that parenting is getting up early after a holiday? Never having a night off? Most parents don’t get a week away with their partner without kids!

‘stealing’ your time.

its not wrong that you’re upset by it, I too would hate not being a priority, but I could never date someone who had a kid. I’d be upset they were being a good parent, which is wrong! Unfortunately when someone is a good parent they pick up the slack from the other, whether that parent is being ‘fair’ or not. My husband also doesn’t have time for the gym, has to get my daughter from nursery if I need him to, leave work early if she’s unwell etc

I agree with your points about parenting being a full time role and many parents don't get time to themselves. However how would you feel if you had made plans to go out for your friends birthday, go see a theatre show with your mum etc etc and your DH had agreed to watch the kids, then every time last minute he announced that actually he was going out with his mates so you'd have to cancel your plans? Because essentially that is what is happening here. OPs DP and his ex have agreed a schedule to cover childcare and he is the only one constantly cancelling plans while the ex can pretty much do as she pleases. I think OP has every right to be annoyed at this but ai also think nothing is going to change and she needs to just walk away.

Fluufer · 27/08/2024 07:37

The crux of it is that parents of young children don't get to have lots of "plans". You're expectations are unrealistic.
If seeing him more was that important to you, you would move nearer or in with him. If seeing you more was important to him, he would push for that.
He wants to see his daughter more than he wants to see you. Live with it or move on.

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