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He won't protect our relationship

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

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Clementine22 · 26/08/2024 19:34

He’s prioritising his daughter and if you date someone with children you have to accept they should always come first, particularly when her mother appears to be struggling a bit.

So in this situation it’s either right man but wrong time OR wrong man and wrong time. You need to decide if you can accept this is how it’s going to be for the foreseeable or not.

You’ve said you dated men without kids and weren’t happy with those scenarios either. Unfortunately relationships at this age just aren’t easy or idyllic and you need to have a think about what you are and aren’t prepared to accept and / or compromise.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:35

Lentilpasta · 26/08/2024 19:28

Almost 70% voted YABU including me a fellow childfree woman , and most comments are express the same sentiment - please reflect on that.

It’s Ok to want a man to prioritise you, I expect nothing less in my relationships! however when you’ve walked into a situation where a man has a young child (she was about 5 years old when you got with him right?) this is the big risk you take - that he may actually be a decent father 😆

As pp have said all decent men would jump at the chance to spent more time with their young child and that’s the way it should be.

I can see the way this thread is going so I’m out after this comment as it’s clear to me you aren’t ready to accept what the majority are telling you - accept it or move on.

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To be clear, i don't expect to be the number one priority. I believe children should be prioritised. I am just hurt to be constantly let down like our plans and time together don't mean much at the whim of his selfish inconsiderate ex who can't /won't take proper responsibility for her child.

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SauviGone · 26/08/2024 19:37

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:35

To be clear, i don't expect to be the number one priority. I believe children should be prioritised. I am just hurt to be constantly let down like our plans and time together don't mean much at the whim of his selfish inconsiderate ex who can't /won't take proper responsibility for her child.

I realise it’s probably easier for you to focus your anger at his ex, but it really is your partner who is the problem here.

I feel sad for you because I think you’ll continue to flog this dead horse and waste another few years.

BirthdayRainbow · 26/08/2024 19:40

If you understand he has to prioritise his DD why does it matter what the reason is? It's the same result.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:41

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:15

It’s not working for you. It really comes down to that.

it was irresponsible of him to say he would move to you and have dd less. Regardless of the problems you perceive with his ex. A man who just decided to love away and have less days with his child, for his girlfriend is irresponsible.

and if his ex is struggling to have the child, it could be that the child is there permanently at some point.

You can go through each bit you are unhappy with and try to find a way to fix each bit. You can try to convince him to move to you. Try to Convince him to marry. But you shouldn’t need to put in all that work to make a relationship to work for you.

I think I'd be happy if we lived together for us to have the DD full time if the ex just can't manage. At least i'd know my schedule and that I wasn't getting dropped all the time and my time messed around because of his exes irresponsibility. I don't think his ex would allow that though. She wants to pretend she does 50/50 and pretend she's a good mum while constantly evading responsibility and doing the bare minimum and palming her DD off on others (sometimes other school parents e.g. when we go on holiday)

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:43

SauviGone · 26/08/2024 19:37

I realise it’s probably easier for you to focus your anger at his ex, but it really is your partner who is the problem here.

I feel sad for you because I think you’ll continue to flog this dead horse and waste another few years.

I think you're right, although she's basically a rather pathetic individual (yes I am angry with her), he is the real problem because he won't stand up to her.

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Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:45

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:41

I think I'd be happy if we lived together for us to have the DD full time if the ex just can't manage. At least i'd know my schedule and that I wasn't getting dropped all the time and my time messed around because of his exes irresponsibility. I don't think his ex would allow that though. She wants to pretend she does 50/50 and pretend she's a good mum while constantly evading responsibility and doing the bare minimum and palming her DD off on others (sometimes other school parents e.g. when we go on holiday)

This. It's not the amount of time he's spending with his kid that's the issue, it's the unpredictability. That's no way to live for anyone. I agree, you'd probably be better off of he had her the majority of the time and the ex had every other weekend. At least then you could make plans with him every other weekend. Except that probably wouldn't work either as the ex would chop and change weekends as she pleases and he would let her.

Ultimately this relationship isn't going to work because he's doesn't care about letting you down.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 19:47

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:16

His ex doesn't know how her selfish inconsiderate behaviour impacts me. She gives no sh*ts how it impacts my DP. But yes may not be best if I speak to her. Most men my age have kids or want kids (i don't want my own at age 43 - my body isn't ready for that now!), or they have commitment issues. I thought I'd met such a wonderful man with my DP, a great dad to his DD who wanted a life with me in it too. I don't feel I am competing with his DD, I am just hurt to be constantly dropped and cancelled on and frankly neglected because he won't say no to his ex.

In the gentlest way possible his ex isn't and has no reason to give you a second thought. She has a co parenting relationship with your boyfriend, you don't even live together, it would be weird if they talked about you.

This relationship isn't working for you and you cant change him.

SortingItOut · 26/08/2024 19:47

If you want to stay with him you have to be prepared that his DD will come first forever.

My DD is 21 and when she is back from Uni I spend a lot of time with her, she rarely sees her Dad since they fell.out over Xmas and she wants my attention.

I often have to let people down if my DD changes her plans on a whim. Luckily my friends all understand the issues she is so are fine with it.

She will be back to Uni in a month so I'll have all my free time back but when she returns for Xmas break I'll be with her most nights.

I won't date anyone with young children as I know how much time and effort they take up whereas I have a lot of free time (when my DD is at Uni) and want someone who matches that

Chewbecca · 26/08/2024 19:48

It's not about him standing up to his ex.
It's about him prioritising his DD.

They're very different.

DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 26/08/2024 19:52

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:32

Even if they've made plans to see someone and has to constantly hurt them and let them down? If your friend made a regular plan to see you and constantly let you down then I doubt you'd be understanding

You have every right to feel frustrated, but I’m looking at this from the child’s perspective. What would happen to her if dad didn’t step up/in?

This was my childhood. My dad was an absolute flake (just like your partner’s ex), and my mam used to just what she was doing to cover for him. She knew people would say she was a pushover/weak etc, but she didn’t do it for dad’s benefit, she did it for me and my siblings. If she didn’t takeover we suffered. Dad didn’t ’do the right thing’ if mam said no. He had us sit in pubs/his friend's house while he did what he had planned. We missed parties, hobbies, time with friends etc, because if he didn’t feel like taking us, he didn’t. We’d be late for school, or late picked up. I’m wonder if your partner is in a similar position to my mam? Does he know that his daughter suffers if he doesn’t take over?

I’m not saying you should just put up with it. I suspect it may just be a case of right person, wrong time for you both. I’m just wondering if it’s not as simple as just saying ‘no’. If he knows saying no means his daughter suffers.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:53

Chewbecca · 26/08/2024 19:48

It's not about him standing up to his ex.
It's about him prioritising his DD.

They're very different.

He's prioritising his ex not his child. If he was truly prioritising his child he would take his ex to court and get majority custody since she seems to be struggling so much.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 19:54

MoxFulder · 26/08/2024 18:17

I think you're being unreasonable to expect him to prioritise you over his young DD.

I think you'd be better off in a relationship with someone who does not have a child.

The whole 9 mile/40 minute thing sounds a bit mad, that's not far at all. Why don't you drive? Of course it's more important that he lives nearer his DD and school than you.

It's London and lots of traffic and 20mph zones. I do drive but I don't have a car because I don't need one for work (no one really drives to work central London) and don't need the additional expense. Yes I agree about the school - it was his suggestion to move to my area and swap around the days he has DD a bit so she was with her mum a bit more on week days. I think he realised he didn't want his DD to have 40 min (or more in rush hour traffic) drive to school as he would have still had DD on at least one school night e.g. Sunday. He probably just said it in the honeymoon phase TBH and then reality set in. Either way I would make the sacrifice and move / rent with him his way if I thought he made more of an effort for me now. I guess living together the problem of him not being able to see me because he's got DD goes away. But I still want QT together - his ex lives her best life, boyfriend, holidays, friends and doesn't care that he also has a relationship

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Chewbecca · 26/08/2024 19:57

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:53

He's prioritising his ex not his child. If he was truly prioritising his child he would take his ex to court and get majority custody since she seems to be struggling so much.

I disagree.
Yes, of course he could go to court and go through the challenge of that... but he could just always be there for his DD and be available and willing to care whenever he is called upon, without making his DD feel like a nuisance. Not worse for his DD.

savethatkitty · 26/08/2024 19:58

This man is not for you. It's just one of those things. Neither of you are wrong. Just incompatible.

winetimenow · 26/08/2024 20:07

It's pretty normal to commute in london. Many many many people commute an hour in the mornings.
Given that everyone else in this scenario has extra complications of school/co-parenting etc I don't understand why you don't just move to his area.
And if it's because you don't want to take on more childcare and see his daughter more then being with a man with a child isn't right for you.
And yes I live in London too.

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 20:11

winetimenow · 26/08/2024 20:07

It's pretty normal to commute in london. Many many many people commute an hour in the mornings.
Given that everyone else in this scenario has extra complications of school/co-parenting etc I don't understand why you don't just move to his area.
And if it's because you don't want to take on more childcare and see his daughter more then being with a man with a child isn't right for you.
And yes I live in London too.

The commute isn't really the issue here it's have zero predictably and not being able to make any plans. Even if she moved closer to him he'd still be cancelling plans with her left, right and centre and treating her like an afterthought.

Olika · 26/08/2024 20:14

Just end it. It's not working for you.

YellowRoom · 26/08/2024 20:22

Your focus on his ex seems misplaced - you're not in a relationship with her. You're in a relationship with a man who is happy to constantly let you down.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:33

winetimenow · 26/08/2024 20:07

It's pretty normal to commute in london. Many many many people commute an hour in the mornings.
Given that everyone else in this scenario has extra complications of school/co-parenting etc I don't understand why you don't just move to his area.
And if it's because you don't want to take on more childcare and see his daughter more then being with a man with a child isn't right for you.
And yes I live in London too.

my current commute his 50 minutes door to door, from his area I would need to allow 1.5 hours each way. I have been considering moving to his area but I worry that he just treats me as so disposable, breaks our plans like my time means nothing at his exes every whim without apology to me or questioning her. So many times i could have seen a friend but kept believed I had a plan with him and then he says can't now, got DD.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:34

YellowRoom · 26/08/2024 20:22

Your focus on his ex seems misplaced - you're not in a relationship with her. You're in a relationship with a man who is happy to constantly let you down.

i have to agree with you. I just think if she knew how her behaviour affects me she might think twice. then he wouldn't have to keep saying yes to her and cancelling me because she would realise it's wrong to ask him and trample me

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:35

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 20:11

The commute isn't really the issue here it's have zero predictably and not being able to make any plans. Even if she moved closer to him he'd still be cancelling plans with her left, right and centre and treating her like an afterthought.

Exactly this, this is what worries me!

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Starlight7080 · 26/08/2024 20:35

Sounds like he drops everything to make sure his daughter is OK. Not because he does everything his ex says.
I agree it sounds frustrating when you have plans and she last min changes them . She must be used to just being able to do this .
If you can cope with it for a few more years then she will be well into teenage years and probably doing after school clubs more or seeing friends and such . So things will change .
He probably should work on her sleeping in a room on her own . At 10 she is to old to need her dad in the same room. Does she do the same with her mum?
We stopped that at 2 years old. It's not healthy for anyone .

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 20:36

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:34

i have to agree with you. I just think if she knew how her behaviour affects me she might think twice. then he wouldn't have to keep saying yes to her and cancelling me because she would realise it's wrong to ask him and trample me

Trust me, she wouldn't care. Her plans are more important than spending time with her DD so why would your plans matter to her?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:37

savethatkitty · 26/08/2024 19:58

This man is not for you. It's just one of those things. Neither of you are wrong. Just incompatible.

i guess i think it's wrong to constantly break plans and let someone down without even trying to stand up for them and their time

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