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He won't protect our relationship

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

OP posts:
Gessy · 27/08/2024 07:39

Hectorscalling · 27/08/2024 05:18

Honestly, all this ‘I am noting things in secret to go for full custody’ isn’t normal.

and to be honest, it wouldn’t help anyway. You would essentially be telling judge ‘they parent between them. She asks him to have her and he says yes and she leaves the child with other responsible adults sometimes’. That’s easily seen as 2 people amicably co-parenting.

and him getting full custody, doesn’t mean she won’t mess you about. No one is going to say she can’t ever see the child.

But what you are saying doesn’t make sense. You say she is a shit parent, can’t cope and so on. In that situation, in makes sense he is willing to say yes all the time rather than leave his child with someone who is shit and isn’t coping. But when that’s pointed out, you says he isn’t worried about his dd with her mum. So if he isn’t worried she isn’t that shit or not coping. But it’s also so bad you are writing everything down because you think there’s a chance you could move in and get full custody.

If it’s that bad he could get full custody, without you. If it’s bad he could be sorting it out now.

You seem to flip between it’s really bad and she is really shit, to it’s not bad and he isn’t worried about his child.

I do think there’s a chance that you may also not be getting the full story from him.

The seeking full custody thing was a suggestion by other posters for my DP as a solution to his ex always shamefully trying to get out of looking after DD & making our schedules unpredictable & wasting my time.
it upsets DP too :1) at some point it becomes obvious to DD that her mum can’t stand to have her for more than a day or two at a time, won’t take her on holiday and constantly has excuses why she needs to palm her off.
2) He is frazzled by picking up the slack and not able to have a functional adult relationship because his ex forces him to do her job as she won’t. He’s exhausted and barely has a life.
Child is not at risk with mum. But like another poster said, it is easy to fake being a decent mum when you only do it a couple nights a week & palm off the rest to your ex.
I was upset and tired last night after arguing with him yesterday & was dreaming of scenarios that would solve the situation (and make me feel better, including telling his ex that her unwillingness to accept responsibility has consequences).
But this morning I have stopped dreaming. I know it’s over and I will end it. It’s not his exes fault, it’s his for allowing this pingponging of his DD to continue as he’s too weak to challenge her.
Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and comments while I’m feeling at a very low point, it’s helped me work through it all. Sorry i haven’t been able to reply to all. I’ll focus my energy on work this week and maybe seeing a friend.

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permanently · 27/08/2024 07:50

That is the best decision for you OP and well done for making it. Stay strong and come back here for further support if you need it. You've done your best for this relationship - you really have. But this is a fight you'll never win. He knows his wife inside out and he'll need to be there for his daughter to an even greater extent in the future. Good luck x

Gessy · 27/08/2024 07:58

AnnaCBi · 27/08/2024 06:55

You know that parenting is getting up early after a holiday? Never having a night off? Most parents don’t get a week away with their partner without kids!

‘stealing’ your time.

its not wrong that you’re upset by it, I too would hate not being a priority, but I could never date someone who had a kid. I’d be upset they were being a good parent, which is wrong! Unfortunately when someone is a good parent they pick up the slack from the other, whether that parent is being ‘fair’ or not. My husband also doesn’t have time for the gym, has to get my daughter from nursery if I need him to, leave work early if she’s unwell etc

His ex doesn’t get up early to collect DD after holiday? His ex has lots of nights and weekends off and holidays without DD? His ex has plenty of time for gym & to see & holiday with her boyfriend without dd?
You’re seeing it from perspective of being in a married couple. Not a divorced co- parenting situation which is supposed to be 50:50 but where one evades responsibility and forces other to pick up her slack. A childminder would be more reliable for him.
my point is it’s all very one sided.
My point is it’s possible (if he just stood up to her) to be a good parent and not keep letting me down. These aren’t one offs , it’s constant, it’s got worse in fact.
I don’t have issue with men with kids, it’s fairly standard at my age. Children should be prioritised. The whims of exes shouldn’t be prioritised, but he doesn’t have a backbone to challenge.

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teenmaw · 27/08/2024 07:59

Sounds like a good decision op. Don't forget good parents naturally want their child every day. He's not weak, he doesn't want to say no because he wants to see his kid every day. This was never about you or the ex, it's him trying to get his daughter as close to every day as possible so he will never choose you. The 50/50 thing is a myth, once you have a child you are both 100% responsible for them, your partner is living by this, his ex isn't, which suits him as he never wanted to go to 50/50 in the first place. It's nice to have you I'm sure and I'll bet he does care about you, but he wants his kid more. As he should. Find a guy with no kids or grown kids. Hope you're ok.

teenmaw · 27/08/2024 08:04

Oh and I say this op as a mum who has taken full advantage of the fact my ex is useless, I have my children 100% now. It was fun when he took them eow and I had a bf. Then when he stared being an arse my bf got fed up and ended it, now I'm glad as I have my kids and I realise I should have been focusing on them all along, despite my heart being broken at the time.

Chewbecca · 27/08/2024 08:04

You say she is not 'at risk' but also that she knows her mum finds excuses to 'palm her off'. Knowing that isn't good or nice for a little girl so I have respect for her Dad who doesn't make her feel that way and makes her feel like she is always welcome, no matter what. He is preventing the ping-ponging.

Anyway, good luck for the future.

Fluufer · 27/08/2024 08:06

Gessy · 27/08/2024 07:58

His ex doesn’t get up early to collect DD after holiday? His ex has lots of nights and weekends off and holidays without DD? His ex has plenty of time for gym & to see & holiday with her boyfriend without dd?
You’re seeing it from perspective of being in a married couple. Not a divorced co- parenting situation which is supposed to be 50:50 but where one evades responsibility and forces other to pick up her slack. A childminder would be more reliable for him.
my point is it’s all very one sided.
My point is it’s possible (if he just stood up to her) to be a good parent and not keep letting me down. These aren’t one offs , it’s constant, it’s got worse in fact.
I don’t have issue with men with kids, it’s fairly standard at my age. Children should be prioritised. The whims of exes shouldn’t be prioritised, but he doesn’t have a backbone to challenge.

What is the actual breakdown of the last couple of weeks? Bearing in mind it is the summer holidays, so both parents will be spending far more time with DD than typical.

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:07

teenmaw · 27/08/2024 07:59

Sounds like a good decision op. Don't forget good parents naturally want their child every day. He's not weak, he doesn't want to say no because he wants to see his kid every day. This was never about you or the ex, it's him trying to get his daughter as close to every day as possible so he will never choose you. The 50/50 thing is a myth, once you have a child you are both 100% responsible for them, your partner is living by this, his ex isn't, which suits him as he never wanted to go to 50/50 in the first place. It's nice to have you I'm sure and I'll bet he does care about you, but he wants his kid more. As he should. Find a guy with no kids or grown kids. Hope you're ok.

He’s really not trying to do get DD as often as possible at all. He is actually exhausted and in desperate need of a break during the week , but he can’t stand up to his ex. He said if we lived together he’d be happy to have DD full time but being a single parent most of the week , never getting a break as his ex won’t take dd on holiday , and working full time is very hard on him . It’s taking it’s toll on him and she doesn’t care. He’s a shell sometimes & tells me he’s desperate to do some proper exercise . meanwhile his ex lives her best life at his expense

OP posts:
KnittingKnewbie · 27/08/2024 08:10

I can't work out which option on the voting is which. YABU to stay
YANBU to want more.
He's not treating you right. Do you want this to be your life?

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:13

Chewbecca · 27/08/2024 08:04

You say she is not 'at risk' but also that she knows her mum finds excuses to 'palm her off'. Knowing that isn't good or nice for a little girl so I have respect for her Dad who doesn't make her feel that way and makes her feel like she is always welcome, no matter what. He is preventing the ping-ponging.

Anyway, good luck for the future.

DD seems oblivious to being constantly palmed off and shuttled back & forth. That is a blessing I guess but she will likely realise at some point. Right now she thinks me & her dad are wrong for holidaying without her. Because we take her multiple times a year whereas her mum doesn’t. I’ve done more with DD than her own mum has. DD never questions her mum going away with her boyfriend without her. That’s normal for her. she looks to us that the ones to do holidays with.
He ‘allows’ the pingponging because she’s constantly shuttled back & forth instead of there being one change over per week. Because his ex demands it that way.

OP posts:
Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:15

KnittingKnewbie · 27/08/2024 08:10

I can't work out which option on the voting is which. YABU to stay
YANBU to want more.
He's not treating you right. Do you want this to be your life?

Yes I think I did the poll in a confusing way for people.
No I am going to end things as sad as that makes me

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PomPomtheGreat · 27/08/2024 08:21

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:07

He’s really not trying to do get DD as often as possible at all. He is actually exhausted and in desperate need of a break during the week , but he can’t stand up to his ex. He said if we lived together he’d be happy to have DD full time but being a single parent most of the week , never getting a break as his ex won’t take dd on holiday , and working full time is very hard on him . It’s taking it’s toll on him and she doesn’t care. He’s a shell sometimes & tells me he’s desperate to do some proper exercise . meanwhile his ex lives her best life at his expense

What he said about being willing to have his daughter full time as long as he had you to help him concerns me. Plenty of single mothers manage to hold down a job and look after several children much younger than this without support from anyone. What is so utterly exhausting for him about working and looking after his ten-year-old daughter sixty or even seventy percent of the time?

Unless she has severe special needs, life shouldn't be quite so overwhelming for him as it seems to be. If he really wants to take some regular exercise, that shouldn't be impossible.
In your shoes, I would worry about that as much as anything else.

CultOfRamen · 27/08/2024 08:24

Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:35

Yes it is inconsiderate of him always cancelling on me for her endless reasons. Regarding him initially saying he would see less of his child, he just thought she could be with her mum more of the weeknights and more with us at weekends and holidays. This would have allowed him to live with me in my area. I didn't see it as a red flag because i think divorced parents can't always do an exact 50/50 split and it isn't always possible to be restricted to living near ex. He actually moved to the area he lives now to live near his ex and DD when she divorced him, because he wanted to still see his DD.

So you think it’s ok for mum to take on more than 50/50- but if dad does it’s an inconvenience and not fair? Interesting…..

SeaweedSundress · 27/08/2024 08:25

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:07

He’s really not trying to do get DD as often as possible at all. He is actually exhausted and in desperate need of a break during the week , but he can’t stand up to his ex. He said if we lived together he’d be happy to have DD full time but being a single parent most of the week , never getting a break as his ex won’t take dd on holiday , and working full time is very hard on him . It’s taking it’s toll on him and she doesn’t care. He’s a shell sometimes & tells me he’s desperate to do some proper exercise . meanwhile his ex lives her best life at his expense

I think this is a bit mad. A lot of people are single parents to a nine year old, work FT, and don’t have any respite at all because the other parent either isn’t involved or only takes the child very occasionally, without being ‘a shell’.

But again, if the current regime isn’t suiting him, he’s the only one who can act to change it. Most people, most of the time, do what they want to do. If he won’t act to change things, I would say that, for whatever reason, and despite the complaints, the status quo suits him at some level. Could be he’s simply happy to see more of his child under any circumstances. Could be he doesn’t in fact want to move in with you or move the relationship forward, and this is a good reason to keep the status quo.

aCatCalledFawkes · 27/08/2024 08:26

I don’t think is unreasonable no, I think it’s an impossible situation, he knows he’s ex isn’t doing enough and he’s being a good dad..

I have had my children full time for the last 10yrs and have stayed mainly single in that time due to not being able to commit time to anyone and finding the whole thing exhausting. The times I have had partners I have probably been like your DP knowing that I’m coming across as unreasonable but feeling trapped too.

I’ve been seeing someone for the past two months, he also has a daughter living with him full time. Our children are all teenagers and it makes a huge difference as they can be left and we can steal time together like that. I don’t think your partner is in the place you want him to be atm.

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:42

CultOfRamen · 27/08/2024 08:24

So you think it’s ok for mum to take on more than 50/50- but if dad does it’s an inconvenience and not fair? Interesting…..

No . it’s the constant last minute cancelling because of her whims that’s the problem

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CultOfRamen · 27/08/2024 08:46

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:42

No . it’s the constant last minute cancelling because of her whims that’s the problem

if they barely talk surely she doesn’t even know it’s an issue.
perhaps his behaviour of not communicating with her is the issue.
or your reluctance to accept life with kids is messy and unplanned.

Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:49

PomPomtheGreat · 27/08/2024 08:21

What he said about being willing to have his daughter full time as long as he had you to help him concerns me. Plenty of single mothers manage to hold down a job and look after several children much younger than this without support from anyone. What is so utterly exhausting for him about working and looking after his ten-year-old daughter sixty or even seventy percent of the time?

Unless she has severe special needs, life shouldn't be quite so overwhelming for him as it seems to be. If he really wants to take some regular exercise, that shouldn't be impossible.
In your shoes, I would worry about that as much as anything else.

I honestly don’t know, I agree with all you say. I think it’s the constant unpredictability of his exes whims that exhausts him, he doesn’t know his schedule, it’s just whatever she feels like. DD doesn’t have SEN. She is an ordinary 9 /10 YO.

OP posts:
Gessy · 27/08/2024 08:55

CultOfRamen · 27/08/2024 08:46

if they barely talk surely she doesn’t even know it’s an issue.
perhaps his behaviour of not communicating with her is the issue.
or your reluctance to accept life with kids is messy and unplanned.

It’s him not having backbone to communicate with her I’m afraid
also she gets hostile and argumentative the occasion he has tried to defend our time together
I’m very understanding of lasminute emergencies & was accepting of plans being cancelled for long time, I am a very sympathetic person, I felt sorry for this single mum. Til I realised she’s actually just taking the p*ss all the time & he’s just afraid to say no.

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CeruleanBelt · 27/08/2024 09:00

He's putting his dd above you, which is as it should be. What if he's not saying no because he doesn't want to say no? He wants to spend all the extra time with his child rather than with you. That's the truth of it, as far as i can see.

If he wanted to say no to the ex, he would. I think you need to accept that he's happy with the status quo, and decide whether you want to continue in the relationship because he's not suddenly going to turn down extra time with his dd because you want him to.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 27/08/2024 09:07

Basically, you have two choices as I see it:
(a) put up with it.
(b) find a new partner.

AgnesX · 27/08/2024 09:14

Don't even consider talking to your boyfriend' s ex. Your relationship is nothing to do with her. This is all on him.

He's taking his responsibility for his child seriously at best; he's a wimp at worst; either way it's not working for you and he's not invested in changing it. You need to decide if you can compromise and share him.

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