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Gessy · 26/08/2024 18:08

I am 43F, my DP is 48. We have been together 4 years but do not live together and both separately rent 2 bedroom flats about a 40 minute drive from each other, ca. 9 miles, 1 hour door to door by train (I don't have a car). One reason being, I have prioritised good transport links for my job, whereas he has a 9 YO DD at school in his local area. His ex / her mum lives near to that area too so it's convenient for sharing 50/50 custody of her.
Originally he voluntarily said he was happy to relocate, that it would be fine if their DD spent more days of the week with his ex and that he wasn't put off by marriage. But he's since said he needs to stay in his location and do 50/50. He also casually said at a later date regarding marriage that he didn't know if he'd do it again. I got very upset on that point. He backtracked a bit saying the whole big wedding/ money etc. But I guess it's moot point when we don't live together.
I understand his DD is his priority. The issue is that we don't see each other enough and a big reason is because his exW is frequently asking him to do more of his fair share looking after their DD. She regularly takes time / evenings/ weekends that are supposed to be our time together and doesn't swap days/weekends or give that time back. The reality is she seems to find it difficult looking after her DD for more than a day or two at a time and seems to have an endless list of excuses why she needs a night/ another weekend off. I spend a fair bit of time with DP and his DD together and have taken her on many holidays with us, my parents and DS' family e.g. a week abroad and a few long weekends per year. Her mum doesn't take her on holiday saying it's too much hassle or she can't afford it - yet she goes on holidays with her boyfriend).
I would like DP to spend more quality time with me but the issue is he says "yes" to every request from his ex, no matter how unreasonable, inconvenient and regardless of whether he's committed to do something with me (latest example is today, bank holiday Monday - he managed to get his ex to agree to looking after their DD for the first bank holiday in 4 years - we have done all of the other bank holidays. After arguing with him she reluctantly agreed. Then yesterday/Sunday, she asked him if she could drop off their DD early on BH Monday/today, which meant he had to leave mine by 2pm and meant we couldn't do the drive out and hike we had planned). He left even earlier after a few hours of not having much to say to each other because he couldn't explain why he'd broken our plans for the day. My BH Monday was ruined. I could have done something nice with a friend instead. I feel that he is not making me a priority, he keeps letting me down (other occasions are the frequent Wednesday night or Friday night or alternate saturday we are supposed to spend together being cancelled last minute or a few days before, because his ex needs him to have DD) and he doesn't seem to care that it's hurting me or our relationship. It causes me a lot of stress and anguish and makes me feel unimportant to him. I get anxious in advance now that our plans/time together might be cancelled - and I am often right. She even last minute made up a reason she couldn't have DD the night before our early flight to go on holiday which was very stressful for us. She admitted to him it was too much for him to leave her alone with DD for a week. (She also told their DD before he could tell DD, that we were going on holiday for a week. DD got very upset saying she wanted to go, that it wasn't fair - even though we often take her away and her mum doesn't. She doesn't look t her mum to take her on holiday and looks to us. The onus is on us; his ex won't give him / us a break and it was unfair of her mum to tell his DD before DP could, which really upset DD - and in turn, us).
We've argued a lot about why he keeps saying yes to ex and no to me/to us. He doesn't seem to have an answer except he gets agitated and defensive and avoidant. He says he doesn't want conflict by saying no to ex, but then he is fine to then have conflict with me and say no to me...
We have a lot in common and we love each other (at least he says he loves me but I don't know if he can feel the same if he doesn't treat me the way I would like to be treated. I feel disrespected). I had hoped we'd be life partners. I'd consider relocating despite potential work transport problems (all while he gets to WFH most of time and his DD walks to school) except I am fearful that he will continue to be a doormat to his ex and by default allow me and my /our time, which is precious, to be walked over.
I will add that although we'd both like to be back on the property ladder, we'd 'rent' a 3 bed place for us and his DD before 'buying' because buying is a big commitment /stamp duty/ locked in 'til sold etc. He doesn't have many savings whereas I do. I also have a higher paying job. He chooses to stay in a relatively low paying job because it gives him flexibility with his DD school drop offs, pick ups (and his ex who over-depends on him). He doesn't seem to think much about his financial future e.g. his pension which he doesn't pay much into which worries me.
I will also add that his DD is soon ten and refuses to sleep in a room by herself (yet she will go to sleepovers at her friends or school camp). He has had to put a spare bed in her room and when I am there they go off to bed at 8pm and I get abandoned to sleep in his room alone. I can't help but feel he is too much a martyr to his DD, a doormat for his ex and frequently absent where I am concerned, physically and emotionally.
I have considered trying to speak to his ex about how her lack of responsibility impacts me, but it won't be easy as they only see each other for handovers of DD. Also he'd likely be angry if I spoke to her.
Other than this, he is kind, caring and we have much in common and I love him and I feel deeply sad at the thought of starting over. I was single for four years before him and before that I had a long relationship with someone with whom I was very incompatible in worse ways. There is no guarantee that I meet someone else and remain single and alone - or perhaps I meet someone with worse flaws/qualities. No one is perfect.
I am at a loss for what to do and looking for advice. Am I being a fool?

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eggandchip · 26/08/2024 20:42

No one man or woman should put their kids second.
The moment anyone has a child the child comes first end of.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:44

Starlight7080 · 26/08/2024 20:35

Sounds like he drops everything to make sure his daughter is OK. Not because he does everything his ex says.
I agree it sounds frustrating when you have plans and she last min changes them . She must be used to just being able to do this .
If you can cope with it for a few more years then she will be well into teenage years and probably doing after school clubs more or seeing friends and such . So things will change .
He probably should work on her sleeping in a room on her own . At 10 she is to old to need her dad in the same room. Does she do the same with her mum?
We stopped that at 2 years old. It's not healthy for anyone .

yes i think this is true but it's not like she's at risk. He could just say to his ex - sorry made plans with DP. She would need to then accept. I think she still sleeps in same bed as her mum - not 100% sure. He gave up on the sleeping situation long ago, doesn't even try, anything for a good nights sleep for her he will do it. I think it's not good for her behavioural/psychological development. It's teaching an unhealthy relationship with parent and inability to form her own coping mechanisms. I think this will influence her mind in other aspects of life beyond sleeping arrangements. That's my uneducated opinion.

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/08/2024 20:45

@Gessy Has his ex always been like this or did she get worse when you came on the scene?? if your dp is not a good earner then who pays for the holidays when you take his daughter away? have you even added up how many days your dp has the child compared to his ex? has he ever tried to get full custody or is his money too good to miss for the ex?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:48

Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 18:17

And for god sake do not speak to his ex and moan about how her and he parent makes you unhappy.

Your issue is with him.

i guess i agree, i just thought if she knew how her selfish inconsiderate behaviour affects me she might think twice before asking him all the time.

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Hectorscalling · 26/08/2024 20:50

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:48

i guess i agree, i just thought if she knew how her selfish inconsiderate behaviour affects me she might think twice before asking him all the time.

Why?

If your point of view is correct and she isn’t coping, she can’t cope even for the sake of her daughter…..why would she be able to cope to make you happy?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:54

Illpickthatup · 26/08/2024 19:45

This. It's not the amount of time he's spending with his kid that's the issue, it's the unpredictability. That's no way to live for anyone. I agree, you'd probably be better off of he had her the majority of the time and the ex had every other weekend. At least then you could make plans with him every other weekend. Except that probably wouldn't work either as the ex would chop and change weekends as she pleases and he would let her.

Ultimately this relationship isn't going to work because he's doesn't care about letting you down.

Exactly, this is what would happen

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Starlight7080 · 26/08/2024 20:57

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:44

yes i think this is true but it's not like she's at risk. He could just say to his ex - sorry made plans with DP. She would need to then accept. I think she still sleeps in same bed as her mum - not 100% sure. He gave up on the sleeping situation long ago, doesn't even try, anything for a good nights sleep for her he will do it. I think it's not good for her behavioural/psychological development. It's teaching an unhealthy relationship with parent and inability to form her own coping mechanisms. I think this will influence her mind in other aspects of life beyond sleeping arrangements. That's my uneducated opinion.

Sounds like he really doesn't want to rock the boat with his ex . But I agree with others she probably would be happy if you split and he was free more. So I wouldn't bother contacting her .
And I fully agree with the sleeping comment. It's just lazy parenting to give up completely. She can't go to secondary school still sleeping with her parents . It's really not healthy at all .

outdamnedspots · 26/08/2024 20:57

mushpush · 26/08/2024 18:21

I wouldn't speak to the ex, that's just not going to go well.

The thing is I think you're thinking about this the wrong way - when his ex changes plans last minute or moves things around, he's not agreeing to those things thinking about how easy he's making his exes life (or picking her over you) - he's agreeing to those things because he's a dad and his daughter is his priority, so needing to look after her is going to take priority. If he said no, it would be impacting his daughter too. His daughter needs to be his priority, you're probably not compatible if you can't see that his actions are prioritising her not his ex.

He sounds like a good dad. I think you can't just say he's "doing more than his fair share" - parenting isn't 50/50 normally, so actually if he's having her less than the 100% of the time he would in a non separated situation, he's having her less than his fair share!

This.

His ex sounds a bit shit, and he's clearly prioritising his dd so she doesn't lose out. He sounds like a great dad.

And his dd should come before you.

You might be better off with a man who doesn't have any dc.

GKD · 26/08/2024 21:01

Gessy · 26/08/2024 20:34

i have to agree with you. I just think if she knew how her behaviour affects me she might think twice. then he wouldn't have to keep saying yes to her and cancelling me because she would realise it's wrong to ask him and trample me

You expect the ex to give more of a shit about your feelings and relationship than your DP does?

begging another woman to get your man to spend time with you will be humiliating.

You may find that his lack of interest in his partner also applied to her hence why she left.

He doesn’t want to prioritise you and prob never did, he prob made promises to leave his DD area and see her less to ensnare you.

Throw him back.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:02

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/08/2024 20:45

@Gessy Has his ex always been like this or did she get worse when you came on the scene?? if your dp is not a good earner then who pays for the holidays when you take his daughter away? have you even added up how many days your dp has the child compared to his ex? has he ever tried to get full custody or is his money too good to miss for the ex?

I think she has always been like this. I dont think it's malicious. She is just a bit of a sh*t mum. She's happy for DD to be pingponged around by her and let DP pick up all the slack and me suffer for it. When we take DD on holiday we split the accommodation cost 50/50 between the two of us. We split food/ dinners out 50/50. He pays for her flight/trains etc. I'd say he has his DD 65% of the time.
He can't even say no to his ex asking him to cancel his plans with me so he can have DD so he'd never try to get full custody unless DD in danger. He wants her to have her mum. His ex earns similar to him and the arrangement is 50/50 so he doesn't pay his ex although I am not sure who gets the child allowance. I think his ex. I know he pays for school uniforms, most of her clothes, even is the one to take her for hair cuts.

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SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 26/08/2024 21:08

It just seems that you are incompatible. He is a man who likes his daughter and wants to spend as much time with her as possibly. Yes, his ex is annoying with timings, but he wouldn't want to swap days or he wouldn't see his daughter as much. He is ensuring that his daughters life is as stable as possible.

You have every right not to want to live your life like this and moving in with him won't change anything.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:10

GKD · 26/08/2024 21:01

You expect the ex to give more of a shit about your feelings and relationship than your DP does?

begging another woman to get your man to spend time with you will be humiliating.

You may find that his lack of interest in his partner also applied to her hence why she left.

He doesn’t want to prioritise you and prob never did, he prob made promises to leave his DD area and see her less to ensnare you.

Throw him back.

I suppose i was hoping to shame her into behaving a bit better tbh (or maybe just get it off my chest or say if she can't take proper responsibility then I'd be happy to have full custody along with my DP). Ask her why she thinks it's acceptable for me to always take her DD on holiday , never her, to never do a bank holiday weekend, constantly stealing time from DP and me.

It has crossed my mind that his ex left him because of how he treated her. I have no idea.
I am starting to agree that he said those things and pretended just to ensnare me.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/08/2024 21:11

Gessy, you're sounding very obsessed with your boyfriend's ex. It's allowing your attention to be distracted hugely. She is not your problem; her daughter is not your problem either. Your boyfriend is your problem. He is 100% your problem but you're gazing after the ex like she's a set of jangling keys... "look, over here!".

If he wanted to, your boyfriend could make you feel wanted and needed whilst also prioritising time with his daughter. He doesn't want that. He doesn't want to commit to you and thank goodness for that because he's shown you who he is.

Every post of yours focuses on the wrong person and on the wrong thing. It's him - he is the problem and deep down you know this. I'm sorry for you.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:12

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 26/08/2024 21:08

It just seems that you are incompatible. He is a man who likes his daughter and wants to spend as much time with her as possibly. Yes, his ex is annoying with timings, but he wouldn't want to swap days or he wouldn't see his daughter as much. He is ensuring that his daughters life is as stable as possible.

You have every right not to want to live your life like this and moving in with him won't change anything.

surely you can be a good dad without constantly letting down your DP and treating their time like it's worthless. That is all I had hoped for with this man.

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DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 26/08/2024 21:15

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:12

surely you can be a good dad without constantly letting down your DP and treating their time like it's worthless. That is all I had hoped for with this man.

I think it depends what would happen to his daughter if he did? Would his ex step up, or would his daughter suffer?

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:18

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/08/2024 21:11

Gessy, you're sounding very obsessed with your boyfriend's ex. It's allowing your attention to be distracted hugely. She is not your problem; her daughter is not your problem either. Your boyfriend is your problem. He is 100% your problem but you're gazing after the ex like she's a set of jangling keys... "look, over here!".

If he wanted to, your boyfriend could make you feel wanted and needed whilst also prioritising time with his daughter. He doesn't want that. He doesn't want to commit to you and thank goodness for that because he's shown you who he is.

Every post of yours focuses on the wrong person and on the wrong thing. It's him - he is the problem and deep down you know this. I'm sorry for you.

deep down I guess I know this. yes she's a pain in the a*ss and a lame excuse for a mum and but yes my DP is the real problem here, I know it. I just want him to respect my boundaries and not treat his commitments to me / our time together, my time like it's nothing. I guess my post and all the responses help me to understand if I am BU or NBU. I think the majority think i am BU which makes me question how I think

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:22

DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 26/08/2024 21:15

I think it depends what would happen to his daughter if he did? Would his ex step up, or would his daughter suffer?

his ex would simply have to step up and not be selfish about her own personal plans, she'd have to, his DD is not at risk. Her list of excuses ranges from seeing her boyfriend, her friends, her aunt's birthday, last minute work events, not being able to get home on time, concert, yoga retreats abroad - I am not saying she can't live her life, it's just she doesn't give us that time back so we can't live ours and my time gets wasted.

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Olika · 26/08/2024 21:24

The longer you keep trying to hang on this dream you have for this man/him changing to be the man you want him to be, the less time you have left to meet someone who can actually be in the kind of relationship you want. Just end it so this man can continue concentrating on his kid and you can meet someone more suitable.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:26

outdamnedspots · 26/08/2024 20:57

This.

His ex sounds a bit shit, and he's clearly prioritising his dd so she doesn't lose out. He sounds like a great dad.

And his dd should come before you.

You might be better off with a man who doesn't have any dc.

surely he can still be a great dad without constantly cancelling on me because his ex asks him to? I know his dd is priority, she isn't at risk, his ex just would have to step up if he said not possible. Or at least give the days back so we can have a life too like she makes sure she does and my time isn't wasted all the time. I never had an issue with a man having DC, I just imagined someone could be a good dad and a good DP and having a nice life together as a modern family. Not treated like an afterthought. I don't mind having kids around at all, I am too old to have my own.

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Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:29

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 26/08/2024 21:08

It just seems that you are incompatible. He is a man who likes his daughter and wants to spend as much time with her as possibly. Yes, his ex is annoying with timings, but he wouldn't want to swap days or he wouldn't see his daughter as much. He is ensuring that his daughters life is as stable as possible.

You have every right not to want to live your life like this and moving in with him won't change anything.

I don't mind that he prioritise his DD but I just didn't expect to ever be treated like an afterthought, like I don't matter, like my time is worthless. I am happy to have a DP with DC, that doesn't bother me at all. I just hoped to be treated with a bit more respect

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LivingDeadGirlUK · 26/08/2024 21:30

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:02

I think she has always been like this. I dont think it's malicious. She is just a bit of a sh*t mum. She's happy for DD to be pingponged around by her and let DP pick up all the slack and me suffer for it. When we take DD on holiday we split the accommodation cost 50/50 between the two of us. We split food/ dinners out 50/50. He pays for her flight/trains etc. I'd say he has his DD 65% of the time.
He can't even say no to his ex asking him to cancel his plans with me so he can have DD so he'd never try to get full custody unless DD in danger. He wants her to have her mum. His ex earns similar to him and the arrangement is 50/50 so he doesn't pay his ex although I am not sure who gets the child allowance. I think his ex. I know he pays for school uniforms, most of her clothes, even is the one to take her for hair cuts.

Honestly this paired with your later posts about telling her you will have full custody are absolutely crazy. You dont even live together why are you paying for his daughter to go on holiday? I'm a step mum so am not in the 'everything step mums do is wrong camp' but you are majorly overstepping.

DontCallMeKidDontCallMeBaby · 26/08/2024 21:31

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:22

his ex would simply have to step up and not be selfish about her own personal plans, she'd have to, his DD is not at risk. Her list of excuses ranges from seeing her boyfriend, her friends, her aunt's birthday, last minute work events, not being able to get home on time, concert, yoga retreats abroad - I am not saying she can't live her life, it's just she doesn't give us that time back so we can't live ours and my time gets wasted.

You say she’d ’have to’ but would she? My dad was very similar to your partners ex. My siblings and I have been left at school. We’ve been up till the early hours on a school night, because my dad didn’t want to go home from an occasion he’d taken us to. I missed a dance exam, because he was too ‘busy’ to talk me. He didn’t attend my brother’s sports day, because he realised on the morning he had other plans. One notable occasion he phoned the child minder at the time he was due to collect us, and told her he couldn’t make it.

My mam always stepped up. As an adult I know how hard it must have been for my her, but I’m so grateful she did it. We all knew that my dad didn’t care the way he should. I can’t imagine the feeling of knowing mam wasn’t going to be there either.

Gessy · 26/08/2024 21:33

Olika · 26/08/2024 21:24

The longer you keep trying to hang on this dream you have for this man/him changing to be the man you want him to be, the less time you have left to meet someone who can actually be in the kind of relationship you want. Just end it so this man can continue concentrating on his kid and you can meet someone more suitable.

I fear you are right. I just know there is no guarantee I will meet anyone else. That by breaking up with him I am choosing to be single and alone. If by luck in a few years or ten years time i do meet someone else, they will not be "better" than him because everyone has flaws. So they won't be "perfect for me" either. By this logic I will end up alone? I don't have an issue with men with DC because most at my age will.

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Givemegoldensun · 26/08/2024 21:41

You seem very preoccupied with his ex- she isn’t your concern or problem and in all honesty you can’t possibly really understand the dynamic between them or what is actually going on. I think this is a red herring and the issue is two fold: 1. Your partner doesn’t want to commit to you, or at least not to the extent that you want and 2. You are trying to fool yourself in to thinking that you are ok with the ‘step mum’ dynamic and even the hypothetical idea of living with his daughter full time, when in reality you don’t want children and you will resent this little girl for the next eight plus years. The best thing to do would be to bow out now and find a man who doesn’t have children or want them… contrary to what you say there are lots of men in their forties like this. Or go ten years older and for someone divorced whose kids have left home… it would be much better for everyone, including you.

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 26/08/2024 21:42

Of course everyone has flaws but you could start with mutual respect as a baseline.
This man has no respect for you so this relationship has no legs. There is nothing to build a relationship on without respect.
He’s not going to change. Do you really want to live like that?