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I'm an OW. And it's killing me.

296 replies

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:51

Sorry this is long . And I'm fully prepared to be completely flamed for this . But I dont know where else to turn. About 6 months ago I split from my stbxh who is a covert narcissist who subtly emotionally abused me for years, as well as the marriage being completely sexless. Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man who told me he was in a similar situation and I believed he was also separating from his wife. This man was charming , funny , paid me no end of attention and just made me feel alive again after years of feeling nothing.

Long story short we started a physical relationship as well as talking every day . After some digging , it turns out nothing has actually happened with regards to him separating with his wife and it turns out they are still very much living together and sleeping in the same bed (surprise surprise). He tells me they don't have sex , they are like brother and sister, that he is deeply unhappy and wants to move out but that neither of them can afford to live in the house alone and that he doesn't want to mess things up for his two young kids .

Now I know logistically this is highly unlikely to be true , and that this man is probably lying through his teeth , however It's like my brain has a stumbling block when it comes to him. The man I see when we are together is so lovely to me and kind, I just can't compute that this is the same person who would lie to and manipulate two women at the same time. I'm ashamed to say I've fallen in love with him. He works away a lot and we've spent days and nights together, he's stayed at my house while my children were away ,and we've been on a trip together all whilst he was supposedly working away . When I look this from an outside perspective, I feel absolutely ashamed of myself and the person I have become- but when we're together everything feels amazing , and I let myself believe what he tells me about his marriage and that he loves me and is planning to be with me , despite knowing deep down it's all a pack of lies. As an aside, I also don't really believe I'm the only person he's 'entertaining' despite what he tells me either.

Since this began , my mental health has completely spiralled , and I feel like I'm about to hit rock bottom. I've always suffered with depression and extremely low self esteem anyway, but now it's worse than ever. I have constant knots of anxiety so much that I wake up feeling sick every morning , I don't feel like eating, I can't concentrate on anything and have lost interest in all the things I used to love . I'm completely detached from my family and friends and just feel numb to everything. I can't even remember the last time I just felt truly content and at peace. I feel like I'm obsessed with this man and always just waiting for him to message me or talk to me. When I do hear from him it's like I get this momentary relief from the depression, but then I quickly crash back down. And if i don't hear from him or he doesn't reply I feel completely miserable and anxious until I do.

I know I need to end this situation. I know what I'm doing is dreadful and that I'm a shitty person. I feel like I'm ruining my life, and that since this began I've been a terrible mum, daughter , sister, and friend . Since I'm just completely consumed by this affair . Not to mention what I'm doing to this man's wife and children . But I just can't seem to walk away . I wish I didn't feel so In love with this man . I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with. I just don't even know where to turn anymore and feel completely hopeless, sick and anxious about everything.

OP posts:
yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 14:53

what led you to “start digging”?

any children involved?

it’s only been a few months op

just leave it. Hardly romance of the century

heldinadream · 11/08/2024 14:54

Please get some therapy ASAP. You are not a shitty person but you need proper help to change this. Best of luck OP.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 14:54

Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man

online dating?

mondaytosunday · 11/08/2024 14:54

Well you are going to have to go cold turkey. And by the way while you are hardly in the right it's the husband who is betraying his wife, not you.
Go to your GP for your MH and shed the bastard who is dragging you down.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 14:55

you have children?!

oh fgs Op… stop this

Elbone · 11/08/2024 14:56

You need to end this. I understand that it will be hard but this can’t end well.

Comedycook · 11/08/2024 14:56

He's nothing special....there's no shortage of men you know........not to mention hes a lying cheat by the sounds of it. Stop letting such a waste of space have so much control over your life

Meeb · 11/08/2024 14:57

Yep, he's absolutely still 100% with his wife. Why on earth would you want to carry anything on with him knowing that? You would be treated no differently, your self esteem would be done no favours.

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:57

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 14:55

you have children?!

oh fgs Op… stop this

I know. It's ridiculous. And I feel completely immature. I absolutely know I need to cut this man out. I feel teary all the time and when I'm not tearful, I'm numb or anxious or miserable. So I've been a shitty parent too 🙁

OP posts:
C1N1C · 11/08/2024 14:57

You haven't done anything wrong. You were single and met a man. He turned out not to be single though. You're in the clear as long as you leave.

He's the scumbag.

AtTheTurnybus · 11/08/2024 14:58

Yeah, you need therapy.
The stress, anxiety etc is your brain and body telling you that this is all kinds of wrong.

StormingNorman · 11/08/2024 14:58

Dump and block.

oakleaffy · 11/08/2024 14:58

Men like this are two a penny.

He is probably stringing along other women as well.

Revolting little specimen.

A woman I know met a Lawyer, divorced, living in a nice leafy area of London.

Except he isn’t.

He’s married, living with wife and older children on a very dreary area.

Also not a lawyer.

This wretched man is nothing but an opportunist- much like the man who is stringing you along, OP

Please end the contact with this nasty man.

Get therapy if you can afford it.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 14:58

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:57

I know. It's ridiculous. And I feel completely immature. I absolutely know I need to cut this man out. I feel teary all the time and when I'm not tearful, I'm numb or anxious or miserable. So I've been a shitty parent too 🙁

and all this “it’s killing me” nonsense

read your user name

It is time. Now.

Emilyjayne9421 · 11/08/2024 14:59

You know you need to end it. But you’re not a shitty person, HE is doing wrong by his wife and kids, he hasn’t been forced to start an affair with you. Please end it and focus on yourself and kids. Get therapy, start some hobbies, make new friends. You said this started when you split from your emotionally abusive husband, you have been swept off your feet by this man but you clearly won’t have been thinking straight as your marriage ended around the same time. End it now because it won’t get easier. He won’t leave his wife and kids.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:00

you must have gone straight from an abusive marriage to starting OLD and now this

just hunker down with your children and recover

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 15:00

I was in a similar situation a long time ago. Except the MM wasn’t seeing others and he never spun me any of the typical ‘lines’. He financially supported me after I left my abusive ex and it supposed to be simple, mutually beneficial.

we totally fell for each other. His wife found out. He’s had affairs before me, but not as emotional. He stayed. For the kids, and then stalked me online for years afterwards.

I eventually confronted him and despite admitting a load of stuff that to any normal person would mean the marriage was dead, he stayed. I finally blocked him everywhere.

the whole experience forced me to do a ridiculous amount of inner work. To explore how I had allowed myself to become the sort of person who was complicit in his betrayal. Why I’d ended up with my abusive ex. Why I seem to attract and be attracted to unavailable men.

I feel very neutral about him now. Yes I do think there was a connection that I am unlikely to replicate but I was in an unhealthy place. So was he. He wasn’t your typical cheating narc (at all) so like you I found it so hard to reconcile his behaviour.

ultimately I had huge issues stemming from the relationship with my father. I had to overhaul my whole life to learn to love myself and make healthy choices. The fixation with him faded. I now just feel sad about the whole thing, but I know the next time I love someone like that it will be healthy.

start by realising this isn’t about him. It’s about you. Which means it’s fixable. There’s a reason you WANT to feel this way and behave this way, strange as that sounds.

FloofPaws · 11/08/2024 15:00

Another master manipulator - he's done this before because he's really good at it!
Concentrate on yourself and your children, just block him, he's a liar and a cheater - don't fall down the same trap you did with your STBXH

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 11/08/2024 15:01

You can do this OP. It's just like any addiction. It'll feel worse before it gets better if you give him up. But it will get better. It can get better. You just have to get through the initial tricky patch.

MonsteraMama · 11/08/2024 15:01

You've been a prat OP. He's read you the classic cheater's script (we're separating, marriage is unhappy, we don't have sex) while I guarantee they definitely DO have sex and his poor wife is none the fucking wiser that their marriage is unhappy.

Do her and yourself a favour and cut all contact from this slimeball immediately. Be a better person than you are currently being, because right now you're willingly and knowingly being a complete dickhead.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:01

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 15:00

I was in a similar situation a long time ago. Except the MM wasn’t seeing others and he never spun me any of the typical ‘lines’. He financially supported me after I left my abusive ex and it supposed to be simple, mutually beneficial.

we totally fell for each other. His wife found out. He’s had affairs before me, but not as emotional. He stayed. For the kids, and then stalked me online for years afterwards.

I eventually confronted him and despite admitting a load of stuff that to any normal person would mean the marriage was dead, he stayed. I finally blocked him everywhere.

the whole experience forced me to do a ridiculous amount of inner work. To explore how I had allowed myself to become the sort of person who was complicit in his betrayal. Why I’d ended up with my abusive ex. Why I seem to attract and be attracted to unavailable men.

I feel very neutral about him now. Yes I do think there was a connection that I am unlikely to replicate but I was in an unhealthy place. So was he. He wasn’t your typical cheating narc (at all) so like you I found it so hard to reconcile his behaviour.

ultimately I had huge issues stemming from the relationship with my father. I had to overhaul my whole life to learn to love myself and make healthy choices. The fixation with him faded. I now just feel sad about the whole thing, but I know the next time I love someone like that it will be healthy.

start by realising this isn’t about him. It’s about you. Which means it’s fixable. There’s a reason you WANT to feel this way and behave this way, strange as that sounds.

he stalked you for years?

He sounds like he should have had the police called on him

HermioneMakepeace0 · 11/08/2024 15:03

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QueenofLouisiana · 11/08/2024 15:03

Disclosure: I’ve been the wife, this obviously impacts my POV.

In the nicest way, you need a bit of a reality check. By now he is not going to leave his wife. She may well leave him if she finds out. While this may be your ideal scenario, just remember that this will just create a vacancy in his life.

He may well be lovely to you. But he is consistently showing you that he can lie without blinking an eye. He merrily says one thing just to keep people on side. I’m very willing to believe that his wife doesn’t think they exist like brother and sister! If you continue to pursue this relationship, always remember that you can’t trust anything.

I cannot begin to tell you what I think of the women who engaged with my husband. She knew what she was doing (and was married herself). She demanded attention knowing he was out with his son, caused mayhem and then panicked when he told her I’d discovered the relationship and left him. All her thoughts were for herself- never any concern for me or even him (long story, but I found those messages too).

FWIW, we have rebuilt our marriage. The trust is still missing, but at least I know what I’m married to. I believe her husband is still in the dark.

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johnson39 · 11/08/2024 15:05

You need to gain back your self respect, your letting him get away with this situation. He needs to make a decision either you or his wife, he's greedy .. put that too him and his he chooses his wife you know it was never going anywhere anyway and you've stopped yourself from wasting your life away on a greedy man.
If he chooses her pick yourself up and get on with your life, stay single for a while until you've sorted yourself out and are happy being you again. Have some time to you.

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