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I'm an OW. And it's killing me.

296 replies

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:51

Sorry this is long . And I'm fully prepared to be completely flamed for this . But I dont know where else to turn. About 6 months ago I split from my stbxh who is a covert narcissist who subtly emotionally abused me for years, as well as the marriage being completely sexless. Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man who told me he was in a similar situation and I believed he was also separating from his wife. This man was charming , funny , paid me no end of attention and just made me feel alive again after years of feeling nothing.

Long story short we started a physical relationship as well as talking every day . After some digging , it turns out nothing has actually happened with regards to him separating with his wife and it turns out they are still very much living together and sleeping in the same bed (surprise surprise). He tells me they don't have sex , they are like brother and sister, that he is deeply unhappy and wants to move out but that neither of them can afford to live in the house alone and that he doesn't want to mess things up for his two young kids .

Now I know logistically this is highly unlikely to be true , and that this man is probably lying through his teeth , however It's like my brain has a stumbling block when it comes to him. The man I see when we are together is so lovely to me and kind, I just can't compute that this is the same person who would lie to and manipulate two women at the same time. I'm ashamed to say I've fallen in love with him. He works away a lot and we've spent days and nights together, he's stayed at my house while my children were away ,and we've been on a trip together all whilst he was supposedly working away . When I look this from an outside perspective, I feel absolutely ashamed of myself and the person I have become- but when we're together everything feels amazing , and I let myself believe what he tells me about his marriage and that he loves me and is planning to be with me , despite knowing deep down it's all a pack of lies. As an aside, I also don't really believe I'm the only person he's 'entertaining' despite what he tells me either.

Since this began , my mental health has completely spiralled , and I feel like I'm about to hit rock bottom. I've always suffered with depression and extremely low self esteem anyway, but now it's worse than ever. I have constant knots of anxiety so much that I wake up feeling sick every morning , I don't feel like eating, I can't concentrate on anything and have lost interest in all the things I used to love . I'm completely detached from my family and friends and just feel numb to everything. I can't even remember the last time I just felt truly content and at peace. I feel like I'm obsessed with this man and always just waiting for him to message me or talk to me. When I do hear from him it's like I get this momentary relief from the depression, but then I quickly crash back down. And if i don't hear from him or he doesn't reply I feel completely miserable and anxious until I do.

I know I need to end this situation. I know what I'm doing is dreadful and that I'm a shitty person. I feel like I'm ruining my life, and that since this began I've been a terrible mum, daughter , sister, and friend . Since I'm just completely consumed by this affair . Not to mention what I'm doing to this man's wife and children . But I just can't seem to walk away . I wish I didn't feel so In love with this man . I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with. I just don't even know where to turn anymore and feel completely hopeless, sick and anxious about everything.

OP posts:
5128gap · 11/08/2024 15:06

What 'your brain can't compute' isn't all the factual things you've listed, but the fact that they mean you need to end it and lose the pleasant treatment, romance, excitement and sex you've gone without for so long. You know he's a wrong 'un, you know it's an illusion, but the short term pleasure is too hard to give up. You need to find another way to meet your needs. You're a free agent, start dating single men. This guy isn't special, he's just here.

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 15:06

We all do shit things sometimes OP, but at some point you did realise he had two young kids as well as was not actually leaving his wife.

Knock it on the head, now. No good can possibly come of this. If he left her you are merely going to transfer your misery to his wife and mess up his life, and he’ll make you equally unhappy in time.

Go see your GP for depression - you are using the sexual spark and warmth you get from him as a chemical to make you feel better.

Sertraline or similar would be better. You need counselling too.

Stop trying to date people - you are jumping from one disfunctional relationship to another. You need to learn to stand on your own two feet.

MellowYellow552 · 11/08/2024 15:07

@Cupcake135 the whole experience forced me to do a ridiculous amount of inner work. To explore how I had allowed myself to become the sort of person who was complicit in his betrayal. Why I’d ended up with my abusive ex. Why I seem to attract and be attracted to unavailable men.

What did you discover? I'm really interested in this as a former friend of my ex tried this with me immediately after I left him. He gave me all the chat and I was on the brink of falling for it.

MrsMoastyToasty · 11/08/2024 15:08

He's not a catch
He's a weak man.
A man not strong enough to keep his marriage vows.
A nan not strong enough to forsake all others (you).
A liar.
A cheat.

Get real.
Delete him from your life.
Get tested for STIs.

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 15:10

We need a summary of all the lies mm tell.

  1. We don't have sex. We don't even share a bed. (Bollocks. This will be news to 90% of wives)
  1. I don't want to lose my children through divorce. (Don't fuck about then. It's not hard.)
  1. My wife is mad / vulnerable / dependent. Whatever. Don't fuck about then because you probably added to her situation.

Ad nauseaum.

We women have got to stop being so fucking stupid as to believe all the bullshit. Because it's the same bull every single time.

Beginningless · 11/08/2024 15:10

What you feel is not love, it’s infatuation and neediness. Love makes you feel relaxed, content and at peace, things you acknowledge you have not felt for some time. It’s clear you know this deep down and I think you made this post to ask other women for help taking the next steps. You’re not happy. You can do this. Just pull the plug. Don’t try and replace him with another man while you feel like this. In a few months when the spell has worn off, you’ll wonder what on earth you were doing.

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 15:10

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There’s no need to be so aggressive. The PP has said the OP hasn’t done anything wrong AS LONG AS she leaves now. The OP thought the guy was separating when she first met him.

Ladyluckinred · 11/08/2024 15:11

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I have to agree. OP, before you knew he had a wife, of course it was not your fault. However, now you know, you’re doing wrong by continuing to see him. This is not going to turn out well and there are kids involved. Do the right thing and cut ties now, yes it’ll be hard but it will never get easier.

I was in your position some years ago. I know it’s shit but taking responsibility for your part in this is the first step. Sorry my luv.

HermioneMakepeace0 · 11/08/2024 15:12

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 15:10

There’s no need to be so aggressive. The PP has said the OP hasn’t done anything wrong AS LONG AS she leaves now. The OP thought the guy was separating when she first met him.

Of course she has. She’s continuing to see this Prince even though she knows fine well he has a wife and children.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:12

i wonder what compelled you to “start digging”?

RobinHood19 · 11/08/2024 15:12

I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with.

This stood out for me OP. You do not have to be in a relationship. The alternative to leaving this man is not finding another one.

You need to do some work on yourself to learn how to be happy in yourself. By yourself. With your own company and your wonderful children by your side.

Once you do this work (and it takes a long time, and you have to stay single during it), you can look back and see that he was nothing special, and he was definitely not worth it because he didn’t add any value to your life.

When you find your self-esteem, you realise that you won’t let anybody into your life unless they actually bring something much better to it, and complement your already-found happiness and sense of fulfilment.

It’s worth it OP, and you can do it. You’re already posting here knowing something has to change. Make that change TODAY. End it with him, book a therapy session, buy a book, whatever first step you can manage that starts your road to healing and rebuilding.

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:13

HermioneMakepeace0 · 11/08/2024 15:12

Of course she has. She’s continuing to see this Prince even though she knows fine well he has a wife and children.

True

OP has all the right words “it’s killing” i “feel so shitty” “i feel so guilty”

but

that is far as it goes

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:14

I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with.

So? you’d just ended an abusive marriage with children

just…. enjoy the peace with your children

fairlygoodmother · 11/08/2024 15:14

Do you have anyone in real life you can talk to about this? If not I think you need to confide in someone and tell them what you told us in your OP.

If you were my friend I’d sit with you while you sent him a message saying that the relationship is harmful to your mental health, you’re ending it, and you ask him to respect you by not trying to contact you again. And then blocked him and deleted his contact details.

I think once you do that you’ll feel so relieved.

LlamaNoDrama · 11/08/2024 15:14

He's using you op. He's no better than your ex and he's exploiting your vulnerability at this time.

Comedycook · 11/08/2024 15:14

I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with

Radical suggestion but you could just be single?

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 15:14

MellowYellow552 · 11/08/2024 15:07

@Cupcake135 the whole experience forced me to do a ridiculous amount of inner work. To explore how I had allowed myself to become the sort of person who was complicit in his betrayal. Why I’d ended up with my abusive ex. Why I seem to attract and be attracted to unavailable men.

What did you discover? I'm really interested in this as a former friend of my ex tried this with me immediately after I left him. He gave me all the chat and I was on the brink of falling for it.

i don’t want to derail the thread. Only really sharing my experience to demonstrate to the OP that the intense feelings are often connected to unresolved trauma.

I experienced abuse as a child. Emotionally absent and abusive father. The whole experience just made me realise how I hadn’t been loving myself, and the fixation on the MM was mostly a throwback to inner child wounds.

my whole life has changed. New job. New friends. New house. I even look different. Completely cleaned up my act and my relationship with money (I would never have gotten involved with this guy had I not be financially vulnerable… or vulnerable in general) to make sure I am never in that position again.

if you want real evidence that someone has changed, it usually manifests in their life generally. Words are just words.

The MM in question carried on lying to his wife. He won’t leave, and clearly has learned nothing. He’ll be cheating again in a few years.

HermioneMakepeace0 · 11/08/2024 15:15

Oh it’s killing me boo hoo.

Well, good. Doubt it’s killing you as much as it’ll “kill” his poor wife right enough.

Ponkpinkpink15 · 11/08/2024 15:15

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:13

True

OP has all the right words “it’s killing” i “feel so shitty” “i feel so guilty”

but

that is far as it goes

@yesyouknow

could you find a new bone to keep gnawing at??

the OP has asked for help, not for you to keep going at her post after post after post.

DarcyProudman · 11/08/2024 15:17

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oakleaffy · 11/08/2024 15:17

BlastedPimples · 11/08/2024 15:10

We need a summary of all the lies mm tell.

  1. We don't have sex. We don't even share a bed. (Bollocks. This will be news to 90% of wives)
  1. I don't want to lose my children through divorce. (Don't fuck about then. It's not hard.)
  1. My wife is mad / vulnerable / dependent. Whatever. Don't fuck about then because you probably added to her situation.

Ad nauseaum.

We women have got to stop being so fucking stupid as to believe all the bullshit. Because it's the same bull every single time.

Same shit, too!

yesyouknow · 11/08/2024 15:18

Ponkpinkpink15 · 11/08/2024 15:15

@yesyouknow

could you find a new bone to keep gnawing at??

the OP has asked for help, not for you to keep going at her post after post after post.

i feel for her
i do

but she needs to stop talking and start acting

Dery · 11/08/2024 15:20

@Whenwilligrowup - you left an abusive marriage and plunged straight into an affair with another abuser (his behaviour is abusive to his wife). You have taken no time to recover from your abusive relationship. That’s what you need to do. End this. You know he’s a lying cheat and it’s all an illusion. You know you’re complicit in the cheating. You clearly make bad choices around men. Spend some time single. Do therapy if you can. Focus on yourself and your children.

PrettyJunglePlant · 11/08/2024 15:21

this is for you to stop, asap. You have not recovered from your ex abuse and need therapy or just be single for at least 2 years to heal and renew your self image. What it came to be, is addiction to men. It is not a healthy thing to view a man

AgentJohnson · 11/08/2024 15:21

This man has no special powers and he doesn’t have or represent the answers to the hole that that you have filled with his presence. What’s happening now is a direct response to deep seated issues in your past (recent or longer). The good news is you recognise this but you are afraid of giving up something that you think you need. It is time to talk to a professional, someone who can support you in healing from your past.

Stop punishing yourself by continuing with this chancer because if you really loved yourself, you would of told this twat to jog on already.