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I'm an OW. And it's killing me.

296 replies

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:51

Sorry this is long . And I'm fully prepared to be completely flamed for this . But I dont know where else to turn. About 6 months ago I split from my stbxh who is a covert narcissist who subtly emotionally abused me for years, as well as the marriage being completely sexless. Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man who told me he was in a similar situation and I believed he was also separating from his wife. This man was charming , funny , paid me no end of attention and just made me feel alive again after years of feeling nothing.

Long story short we started a physical relationship as well as talking every day . After some digging , it turns out nothing has actually happened with regards to him separating with his wife and it turns out they are still very much living together and sleeping in the same bed (surprise surprise). He tells me they don't have sex , they are like brother and sister, that he is deeply unhappy and wants to move out but that neither of them can afford to live in the house alone and that he doesn't want to mess things up for his two young kids .

Now I know logistically this is highly unlikely to be true , and that this man is probably lying through his teeth , however It's like my brain has a stumbling block when it comes to him. The man I see when we are together is so lovely to me and kind, I just can't compute that this is the same person who would lie to and manipulate two women at the same time. I'm ashamed to say I've fallen in love with him. He works away a lot and we've spent days and nights together, he's stayed at my house while my children were away ,and we've been on a trip together all whilst he was supposedly working away . When I look this from an outside perspective, I feel absolutely ashamed of myself and the person I have become- but when we're together everything feels amazing , and I let myself believe what he tells me about his marriage and that he loves me and is planning to be with me , despite knowing deep down it's all a pack of lies. As an aside, I also don't really believe I'm the only person he's 'entertaining' despite what he tells me either.

Since this began , my mental health has completely spiralled , and I feel like I'm about to hit rock bottom. I've always suffered with depression and extremely low self esteem anyway, but now it's worse than ever. I have constant knots of anxiety so much that I wake up feeling sick every morning , I don't feel like eating, I can't concentrate on anything and have lost interest in all the things I used to love . I'm completely detached from my family and friends and just feel numb to everything. I can't even remember the last time I just felt truly content and at peace. I feel like I'm obsessed with this man and always just waiting for him to message me or talk to me. When I do hear from him it's like I get this momentary relief from the depression, but then I quickly crash back down. And if i don't hear from him or he doesn't reply I feel completely miserable and anxious until I do.

I know I need to end this situation. I know what I'm doing is dreadful and that I'm a shitty person. I feel like I'm ruining my life, and that since this began I've been a terrible mum, daughter , sister, and friend . Since I'm just completely consumed by this affair . Not to mention what I'm doing to this man's wife and children . But I just can't seem to walk away . I wish I didn't feel so In love with this man . I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with. I just don't even know where to turn anymore and feel completely hopeless, sick and anxious about everything.

OP posts:
Fabulousdahlink · 15/08/2024 19:13

The French say " when the mistress becomes the wife it creates a vacancy"
If he leaves his wife for you, he will eventually leave you for another woman. It's what cheaters do and you deserve better than that. His wife and children deserve better than that.

You absolutely must end this. Tell him you dont date married men. You wont do that to another woman. Block and delete him.
Yes he is charming and tender and passionate. That is why his wife fell in love with him, why you fell for him and someone else may well do in the future.

You do not need a man to be happy. Invest in some time and therapy and be happy. But not with this man. You know he's not worth investing more time and affection on. Walk away Queen. You deserve better.

Nettie1964 · 15/08/2024 19:24

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/08/2024 15:35

I think you were an easy target for this.

You dont seem like you are out to "snag" this man, just met in the normal way and thought he was in the same situation as you. Instead he is just as emotionally manipulative and abusive as your ex.

You havent dealt with what happened with your ex, havent learned how to spot and avoid that type of man in future and guess what? Next man is exactly the same. Its not love, its trauma bonding, you dont know any other way. This feels like love because thats all you;ve known. True love doesnt lead to a breakdown.

I think you need to take a break from him to do the Freedom Program. And read "Why Does He Do That" by Lundy Bancroft. You will find a lot of similarities between new man and your ex.

TLDR; you have gone from one Narc to another.

This. You need to get some therepy now. You can't continue to live like this waiting to be validated by a man. Please get yourself some help. Until you love yourself you will continue to attract shit men.

Getonwitit · 15/08/2024 20:31

So you have just come out of a abusive marriage, not given yourself a chance to recover and have now taken up with a married man. Get rid and stay single for the next year.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 15/08/2024 20:39

He is probably another covert narcissist. He is wearing a mask when he is with you.

Cupcake135 · 15/08/2024 20:43

Do you think all men who cheat must be narcissistic on some level? I am usually so good at spotting. I just really didn’t get the vibe with the MM I was seeing which is what made it such a mind fuck.

but then I objectively look at the evidence and it’s kind of irrefutable.

BrucieBru · 15/08/2024 20:50

End it with him and concentrate on you and your kids. You are not ready for a relationship!

SamW98 · 15/08/2024 20:52

Getonwitit · 15/08/2024 20:31

So you have just come out of a abusive marriage, not given yourself a chance to recover and have now taken up with a married man. Get rid and stay single for the next year.

A year at the very least I’d say. It takes a long time to recover from an abusive relationship and the OP has jumped from one to another without pausing for breath.

cautioussinglemum · 15/08/2024 21:21

I don’t agree with everyone giving you hate. At the end of the day, you’re single he’s not. He’s the one who should be keeping you in your lane not vice versa.

I think it’s obvious you’re being/have been massively manipulated by this man. It’s clear you deserve better, which I’m sure you’ll know.

If anything I believe you need compassion and advice from people who genuinely care about you, not who want to shame you.

If you’re on instagram- I can’t recommend this page enough @lalalaletmeexplain

She has a book out too and loads of podcasts. She was invaluable during the time I was single. Completely changed my view on relationships, red flags and how to find someone whose life goals and morals align to mine.

Sorry I can’t give you any advice to help you… other than follow Lala.

You’ll get through this. Sending love x

bloss0mgirl · 15/08/2024 21:48

You know it's probably 10/90 pleasure pain for him too. When he's with you it's not you that he's into it's the image you show him of himself as loving kind etc. Harsh, but this is a fantasy from both sides and in reality the only way it can end well is if you take courage and change what you can. He will NOT leave his wife and does not intend to. You're very vulnerable and clearly addicted to his 10% and how you use him in the time you have together to counterbalance all the negative things you say to yourself (some of which you have shared on this thread). Codependency is awful because it's a drug and so very painful and all consuming. Taking responsibility for your actions is very hard when they're triggers and automatic, like ducking down if something falls towards us. Start by looking up codependency. Spend time alone doing this and you'll have a start of doing something for yourself that's positive. Tom Nuyans started my journey to healing when I found his work on yt on codependency about 6 years ago - hadn't even heard of it then. Took a long and winding path, as many giving advise here will have done. Work on yourself, or don't, you have a future self to look out for here and you'll live with the consequences every day of your life whatever you choose. Be strong good luck

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 21:55

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:57

I know. It's ridiculous. And I feel completely immature. I absolutely know I need to cut this man out. I feel teary all the time and when I'm not tearful, I'm numb or anxious or miserable. So I've been a shitty parent too 🙁

Please stop insulting yourself, its doing nothing for your self esteem.
And the scenario you describe is very common.
You were vulnerable, he took advantage and played on it.
I say this not to be cruel but to remind you as others have that he is nothing special, he put balm on your sore spots for all the wrong motivations.

He has tricked you, as he tricks his wife.

Rather than self flagellation, finding your anger might be healthier, .
Draw a simple picture of him on a bag put it on a pillow and punch the living daylights out of it

MahMahMahMahCorona · 15/08/2024 22:09

"Good grief, do you spend all your time reading self help books?"

Interesting response to my comment @Frasers

Who pissed on your cornflakes?

Poddledoddle · 15/08/2024 22:14

Tell as old as time unfortunately. You're getting rid of one bastard, why be reeled in any further by another? Just block and delete, send an explanation if you so wish. Time to start being single for a while me thinks.

Imbusytodaysorry · 15/08/2024 22:21

You need Counseling not dating sites .

Pingu32 · 15/08/2024 23:46

He is a dab hand at this and has done it many times before and, as you say, is still doing it and, likely, with others too. The way you describe yourself shows a lack of self respect - he knows this and is taking advantage of it. The very fact that you feel like the bad person in this says it all.
He is a manipulator and you need to shake him off. He will allow you to get as low as you can. His ego is big - his positivity is big which makes him all the more attractive. BUT he is basing all of this on negativity - lie after lie so he gets what he wants.
He is shining that he is a lot more vulnerable and insecure than you are. There is someone else for you to meet who will love and respect you for who you are - give that other person the chance and leave this one to play his games - he us used to Monipoly money -you aren't xx

Widower2014 · 15/08/2024 23:53

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:57

I know. It's ridiculous. And I feel completely immature. I absolutely know I need to cut this man out. I feel teary all the time and when I'm not tearful, I'm numb or anxious or miserable. So I've been a shitty parent too 🙁

You knew he was married but still let things happen because you believed him.

He is a liar and you are an idiot for believing him

If your MH is so f'd up , last thing you should be doing is sleeping with a married man. Get yourself into a good place so you can be the best version of you.

Devonshirerexx · 16/08/2024 00:57

You need to fix yourself.
You know this.
Find you!
make some decent Girl friends.
Find time out with the girls.

Go to the GP and get referred for counselling.

Dump the waste of space that you referred to as a man and find your self worth through being strong.

Try to put yourself in his wife's position.

You are human and have emotions but thats not excuse to be raining on another woman's parade.

Your hurting her and her children, well both of you are and you know statistically that this guy isn't going to leave his wife for you , you are just his bit on the side and that is all you will ever be to him.

If you were my friend this is exactly what I would say to you.

Your not in love you are in love with the idea of being in love.

Go on online dates , a picture doesn't tell the whole story, get to know single men , go away from your usual type.

Having a change and being treated nice and having dates that are concentrated solely on getting to know you , without the guy going back to his wife will surely have a much nicer feeling and be better for your mental health.

Your kids need a happy mum.
They deserve a happy mum so do it for all of you.
Don't waste your time with this so called human, we always seen to favour what we don't have, plus your children get one childhood and they soon grow up you don't want to be looking back in regret when they are older , look how fast your childhood went in the blink of an eye , we get one life! and you are wasting precious time on a scumbag.

ThreeLocusts · 16/08/2024 03:10

OP another one here who thinks you're not a bad person but a person in crisis, and the judgy comments don't help, including those by yourself. I'm sorry for what you have gone and are going through.

Going back to your question up thread: you could try EMDR, but mostly it sounds like a case for old fashioned talking therapy to me.

And anyway the most important thing is the therapist, not the type of therapy. You need someone who you 'click' with, someone who is sympathetic but also challenges you.
All the best.

MyTwinklyPanda · 16/08/2024 07:58

You've just left an awful relationship to a man who treated you badly and you've unwittingly entered a similar one with some sex and hugs thrown in. These won't last and his true colours are starting to come through. He definitely sounds like he's done this before because of how blasay he's been about his situation.

You've been digging because subconsciously you don't trust this new man and you've found out he's lying and cheating on you too.

Find some strength, cut all contact, physically and mentally from this new man as he is the same as you ex husband. Walk away because these two men are what's causing your mental health to spiral.

I'm guessing you've told new guy what your ex was like? Some men feed off a vulnerable persons situation and will use/exploit them, sounds narcissistic like your ex. It feels like your being used and walked over. Please stop making excuses to not finish with him.

Time to put yourself and your children first, you can do it.

Blackthorne · 16/08/2024 16:48

Whenwilligrowup · 15/08/2024 17:16

Khaki shaker what kind of therapy do you think might help? I'm genuinely clueless about things like this. I really do want to feel better and to fix whatever it is inside me that's so broken. I'm sick of crying every day.

If you don’t have the money for therapy right now then look at subscribing to some self help figures.

There’s some wonderful advice out there for free.

for instance a quick google brought this up on YouTube:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfuFET3X_U

you could follow Anthony Robbins on any social media platform, Jay Shetty is good, also Brene Brown, all her books and podcasts are so good, she’s a shame researcher so she knows all about the rock bottom feeling. All have free content on social media.

Theres Mel Robbins, there’s Mark Manson, there are so many people offering free advice. Brandon Burchard.

Just Google self love podcast, or self esteem podcast as well. You might well find something there too.

Subscribe to them all so your SM feed is full of them and your inbox. It’s only by surrounding yourself continuously with positive messages of change that it will happen. Therapy helps but you can have so many breakthroughs with the free stuff too. All these people have changed my life for the better.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfuFET3X_U

MaidOfAle · 18/08/2024 17:53

NaivePauline · 12/08/2024 19:50

No she hoped he would be separating with her, whilst also denying her behaviour was contributing to the breakdown of his marriage.

Do I think this affair spured on the demise of op's marriage, probably.

And as for your last comment, I am revolted by your comparison.

The word is consent.

Her behaviour isn't contributing to the breakdown of his marriage. That's all on him. When he's lying to an OW to get her knickers down, his marriage is already a sham.

I'm using rape as a comparison because victim-blamers, no matter what they are blaming the victim for, use an argument that can be generalised as "this is your fault because you should have known better than to trust the man who chose to hurt you".

Rape: "You shouldn't have let him walk you home".

OW: "You shouldn't have trusted him when he said he was leaving his wife".

coldbroc · 24/08/2024 14:05

OP, where are you at with this?

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