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Billy no mates at the book group WWYD?

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ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:30

Sorry after reviewing just realised how long this is!

I'm in a book group which I've been in for about six years. It's held in a pub in a village not far from where I live but about 10 minutes drive, just under three miles away and we meet monthly. All women, all who live in this village and who all know each other. Nobody has ever been rude to me, and some of them are really nice. There was a 'queen bee' character but she wasn't unkind, that status was more to do with the fact I think she set it up, but she's moved away. Another has just moved away too, and there's always been a whipround when they've moved. One of them was 60 recently and we did that for her too.

One woman in particular I really like a lot. But they are all very tight knit and do lots together, in couples, all know one another's families well etc. That's fine, I don't want to join in all of that though I have been to a couple of quizzes in the past which was very good. Sometimes however I am not listened to and can't get a word in (not always when talking about the book, when it is general chat) and I feel as if I don't belong. The pub is the only one in the village and they all frequent it a lot.

Tonight was book group, and I was the person who selected the book. There's a group WhatsApp and it's quite active. A couple of the members were doing something else tonight and messaged to say they wouldn't be there, one saying she was really enjoying the book. Another (one of them who's moved away) messaged to say the same, gave her review and said how good it was. Another messaged to say she wouldn't be able to come as she was just leaving work. Nobody else (there would be another 4 besides me) messaged so I assumed they were coming and it was going ahead. So I turned up half an hour early so I could eat there first as I had just finished work too. Nobody else came. I messaged the group to say I was by myself, one (who'd already said she wasn't coming) sent an emoji 😥and asked if "someone can book for next month" but nobody else bothered.

Last month I couldn't get a word in edgewise and left thinking that if it didn't improve, I wouldn't come again. When we had a Christmas meal, I was the last to arrive (no berating for being late, I wasn't) and sat at the end of the table and wasn't really included in conversation.

I suggested the book so there would be something I could talk about a lot this time, and nobody came! I don't think it's personal in that they don't like me, more that they are so cliquey, but they're not nasty. I don't think I want to continue with this. I wish I hadn't wasted an hour and a half altogether travelling there, eating, then waiting around and going home irritated.

WWYD?

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BurntOrangeAutumn · 06/06/2024 00:33

I'd not bother going again if I were you. At least the long distance member read the book & left a review though.
They sound thoughtless & careless.

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:36

I did ask the pub to book the table for next month. I won't be there as I will be on holiday, and as nobody else was there, no book for next month was selected. I think I will message the group to say that, and that I am on holiday, and then remove myself from the WhatsApp. Or not, maybe, and see if anyone notices!

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DPotter · 06/06/2024 00:39

Oh that is heartless of them.

I'd be very tempted to say something on the whatsapp group - that it was very unkind to not let you know no one was coming and that you were at the pub waiting for them and no one showed up.

I'd be looking for a new book club

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:42

@DPotter I'm definitely saying something tomorrow.

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WristCandy · 06/06/2024 00:42

They sound awful - insular and bad-mannered. Bin them off and find another group. Sorry you had to go through that.

Chaoseverywhere · 06/06/2024 00:44

I would message and say I was so disappointed that no one came along tonight. And see what anyone says. But they don’t sound very supportive or welcoming so it’s maybe not the right group for you. It’s a shame. But really well done for choosing the book and for turning up. You’re making the effort and you’re just unlucky with the other members. I wouldn’t leave the group yet. Maybe one last push - text to say you were disappointed this week. But good to see others have enjoyed the book so can you all discuss it next month. If they are frosty then exit at that point. It’s hard but if you pretend to be very confident it might get you through this.

SOxon · 06/06/2024 00:49

Well OP, it seems you are flogging a dead horse there - once a month
but they all abandoned you - ‘doing something else’ indeed.
If it was me, I would sigh deeply, enjoy my holiday, source a different
book group.
Of course they are not going to miss you, they don’t really notice you
when you are there !!

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:52

@SOxon The two women had a birthday meal booked, they're best mates.

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H112 · 06/06/2024 00:54

Like school girls

Grendacious · 06/06/2024 01:07

I think it's just thoughtless (in the literal sense where they haven't given you a thought, good or bad). If you can I'd say put on a thick skin and tough it out. These groups tend to grow around you in time if the people arent actively unkind. Right now the issue is that they attend in order to see their existing friends, while you are the only one attending to make friends. The fact that you are left out perhaps hasnt registered because they are self-absorbed in those exisiting friendships. It takes time to integrate in that sort of group. Plus there's the fact that someone else might join at any point and then the two of you could change the dynamic a bit. Having said all that it is an upsetting situation and I'm not sure I'd feel up to taking my own advice!

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:09

@Grendacious I joined in 2018! I've been around over six years, I doubt it will change now to be honest. I agree with your assessment of thoughtless, though in the sense you mean it, I think that is spot on.

They've all got kids, some have grandkids and that is the topic of conversation a lot, too. I have neither, and I'm not involved in their village life because I don't live there.

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Grendacious · 06/06/2024 01:11

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:09

@Grendacious I joined in 2018! I've been around over six years, I doubt it will change now to be honest. I agree with your assessment of thoughtless, though in the sense you mean it, I think that is spot on.

They've all got kids, some have grandkids and that is the topic of conversation a lot, too. I have neither, and I'm not involved in their village life because I don't live there.

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Oh no, I'm sorry I think I misresd as six months! Yeah that's pretty damning then.

Relaxd · 06/06/2024 01:12

I think I would suggest to them that perhaps monthly is too frequent as no one could make it, and to agree a date that at least half the group can make moving forwards. I do think it’s natural to feel how you do but it’s probably not as bad as you think. They should be more thoughtful though!

Lavenderandbrown · 06/06/2024 01:13

Don’t go back. I left a book club because they always sat the same way and if you were on the periphery of the table you couldn’t hear or participate. I think they were very ill mannered/ inconsiderate/ and insensitive to leave you stranded alone with your book. Join the MN on line club until you find or start 😉a new club.

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:16

@Relaxd They meet alternately on Tuesdays one month and Wednesday the next to accommodate someone's working hours - this was agreed around Christmas time. Usually it's the first Tuesday or Wednesday of the month.

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Troubledprimarymum · 06/06/2024 01:32

I'd feel quite hurt in your position OP.
It seems they literally don't care whether you are there or not any week and tonight wasn't any different.
I can't see any positive in staying with this group. They haven't included you into their friendship circle. I've been in a similar position in a group and don't see any of them anymore. I'm sure they had a little gossip about me when I left but I doubt any of them even remember I was ever in their book group!

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:50

I'm sending this, and then leaving the group. No announcement, I just won't go again. What do you think?

I've booked a table for the next book group on Tuesday 2 July at 7.30, so I hope folks can make it. I will be on holiday so I won't be there. I know some couldn't come along last night as they messaged the group chat to say so, but I assumed that the meeting was going ahead in the absence of other cancellations. As I was there by myself on Wednesday no book was decided on for July so someone needs to sort that out.

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Opentooffers · 06/06/2024 02:04

If you are going to be sticking to blank facts, is there any point in saying anything? Or, just state you've booked the table, the rest they can work out for themselves.

Troubledprimarymum · 06/06/2024 02:07

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:50

I'm sending this, and then leaving the group. No announcement, I just won't go again. What do you think?

I've booked a table for the next book group on Tuesday 2 July at 7.30, so I hope folks can make it. I will be on holiday so I won't be there. I know some couldn't come along last night as they messaged the group chat to say so, but I assumed that the meeting was going ahead in the absence of other cancellations. As I was there by myself on Wednesday no book was decided on for July so someone needs to sort that out.

That sounds very calm and collected. You have made them all aware that not everyone had the decency to let you know they couldn't make it and they were rude to stand you up.

I agree with not making a dramatic flouncy exit. In the future when you remember this group, you will hold your head up high. As you all live in close proximity, there is a possibility you will see run into some of them again and its better to be able to say hello while walking on by instead of feeling awkward about how things were left.

I wonder if there is a local library where other reading groups are advertised? Or check out local facebook pages in nearby villages? I hope you find a much nicer group and form good friendships from it.

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 02:10

@Troubledprimarymum There's one at my local Curzon cinema that alternates book group and film group. It's actually on tomorrow (today!!) but it's a bit short notice and I have other stuff on, but I'm going to contact them and go along next time. And, change the message ending to the below.

As I was there by myself on Wednesday no book was decided on for July so someone needs to sort that out. I'll leave that to the group to decide.

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Troubledprimarymum · 06/06/2024 02:12

Your message is perfect OP.

You sound very reasonable. The film and book club sounds great!

ShrubRose · 06/06/2024 02:20

Lavenderandbrown · 06/06/2024 01:13

Don’t go back. I left a book club because they always sat the same way and if you were on the periphery of the table you couldn’t hear or participate. I think they were very ill mannered/ inconsiderate/ and insensitive to leave you stranded alone with your book. Join the MN on line club until you find or start 😉a new club.

How does the MN online club work?

ShrubRose · 06/06/2024 02:27

I certainly would not continue with this group, OP. I don't get a good feeling about it, to say the least. Good luck with the new book and film group - that could be a lot of fun!

LiveAtVillaVillekulla · 06/06/2024 02:51

So bad OP, it could have been such good evening for all and you must have been looking forward to it.
I don't think this is entirely thoughtless, some must have realised this would be 'your night', like they have had theirs, presumably.
It's just completely unkind to not have made sure - since they are such a tight group- that a minimum of them would attend.

I really hope their book club conversation was worth your time for 6 years because what you describe of the general conversations and Christmas meal are comically bad manners, 'Always lived here/ always known each others' sets generally do not need or have the skills to get on with new people.

I wouldn't say/whatsap anything at all, what would be the point? They are adults, they knew what was going to happen tonight; if you say anything they'll just ignore you again, and then what?
Maybe do not stomp out of the whatsap group, do and say nothing; that'll be more fun. But time to move on and let this lot get on with probably remaining exactly the same forever.

Johnhasalongmoustache · 06/06/2024 02:53

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:36

I did ask the pub to book the table for next month. I won't be there as I will be on holiday, and as nobody else was there, no book for next month was selected. I think I will message the group to say that, and that I am on holiday, and then remove myself from the WhatsApp. Or not, maybe, and see if anyone notices!

Why?!

fuck em

leave the group