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Billy no mates at the book group WWYD?

294 replies

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:30

Sorry after reviewing just realised how long this is!

I'm in a book group which I've been in for about six years. It's held in a pub in a village not far from where I live but about 10 minutes drive, just under three miles away and we meet monthly. All women, all who live in this village and who all know each other. Nobody has ever been rude to me, and some of them are really nice. There was a 'queen bee' character but she wasn't unkind, that status was more to do with the fact I think she set it up, but she's moved away. Another has just moved away too, and there's always been a whipround when they've moved. One of them was 60 recently and we did that for her too.

One woman in particular I really like a lot. But they are all very tight knit and do lots together, in couples, all know one another's families well etc. That's fine, I don't want to join in all of that though I have been to a couple of quizzes in the past which was very good. Sometimes however I am not listened to and can't get a word in (not always when talking about the book, when it is general chat) and I feel as if I don't belong. The pub is the only one in the village and they all frequent it a lot.

Tonight was book group, and I was the person who selected the book. There's a group WhatsApp and it's quite active. A couple of the members were doing something else tonight and messaged to say they wouldn't be there, one saying she was really enjoying the book. Another (one of them who's moved away) messaged to say the same, gave her review and said how good it was. Another messaged to say she wouldn't be able to come as she was just leaving work. Nobody else (there would be another 4 besides me) messaged so I assumed they were coming and it was going ahead. So I turned up half an hour early so I could eat there first as I had just finished work too. Nobody else came. I messaged the group to say I was by myself, one (who'd already said she wasn't coming) sent an emoji 😥and asked if "someone can book for next month" but nobody else bothered.

Last month I couldn't get a word in edgewise and left thinking that if it didn't improve, I wouldn't come again. When we had a Christmas meal, I was the last to arrive (no berating for being late, I wasn't) and sat at the end of the table and wasn't really included in conversation.

I suggested the book so there would be something I could talk about a lot this time, and nobody came! I don't think it's personal in that they don't like me, more that they are so cliquey, but they're not nasty. I don't think I want to continue with this. I wish I hadn't wasted an hour and a half altogether travelling there, eating, then waiting around and going home irritated.

WWYD?

OP posts:
NetMum2 · 06/06/2024 03:26

Your message is great. Definitely need to be polite as you live quite close to each other and may bump in to them again. I’d be very upset if this had happened to me after being in the club for 6 years.

fiddlesticksohyeah · 06/06/2024 03:50

Good message. No need to be rude so well balanced

daydreamsandsunbeams · 06/06/2024 04:31

I don't get previous poster's saying need to be polite, don't be rude etc but the other members of the book club didn't give a toss about not being rude to OP, struggling to see the need to treat them any differently

Onlylonelyontheinside · 06/06/2024 05:53

Do announce your leaving the group, just don’t go back, sometimes you can have too many friends.. Move on, be yourself and you’ll be fine, happiness is the one thing we all want to have..

Onlylonelyontheinside · 06/06/2024 05:54

Sorry meant to say “ Don’t announce “

category12 · 06/06/2024 05:55

daydreamsandsunbeams · 06/06/2024 04:31

I don't get previous poster's saying need to be polite, don't be rude etc but the other members of the book club didn't give a toss about not being rude to OP, struggling to see the need to treat them any differently

I think better to leave being proud of your own conduct than potentially regretting what you say.

Sorry op, well done for persisting with it for so long, they sound a very insular inconsiderate bunch.

I hope a new book group goes better.

LittleMissSleepyUK · 06/06/2024 06:03

Some women can just be awful. I’m amazed you stuck it out for this long

Lavenderandbrown · 06/06/2024 06:08

@ShrubRose i have seen on “active” threads regarding a book other MN are reading with invitation to join. I really don’t know anything about it but hopefully a more knowledgeable MN will come along

Quitelikeit · 06/06/2024 06:08

I would only say that’s the table booked for xyz

then I’d leave it a bit the leave the group

Sceptical123 · 06/06/2024 06:13

ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 01:09

@Grendacious I joined in 2018! I've been around over six years, I doubt it will change now to be honest. I agree with your assessment of thoughtless, though in the sense you mean it, I think that is spot on.

They've all got kids, some have grandkids and that is the topic of conversation a lot, too. I have neither, and I'm not involved in their village life because I don't live there.

Edited

I’d leave. Find another group. It’s not you, it’s them. X

crockofshite · 06/06/2024 06:24

I wouldn't send any messages on the WhatsApp group chat.

I wouldn't book the table for next month

I wouldn't attend any more of their meetings

I would stay in the WhatsApp group for now to see what, if anything, the others say or react to no book or table for next month.

I would join the film and book group and enjoy that.

CHEESEY13 · 06/06/2024 06:28

I think the word "cliquey" says it all. And life's too short......

Pistachiogreem · 06/06/2024 06:38

Hi OP I'd leave the group you sound lovely and can find so much better. 6 years is long enough you should feel a part of it and what they did tonight was very rude.

HysteriaOfTheWanderingWomb · 06/06/2024 06:38

Urgh. 6 years of your involvement and they can't extend basic courtesies to you! Rude and lazy.
How crap is that!
I wouldn't bother with any further anything after your last message op, melt away and not a backwards glance.
Film and book club sounds fun

HysteriaOfTheWanderingWomb · 06/06/2024 06:39

crockofshite · 06/06/2024 06:24

I wouldn't send any messages on the WhatsApp group chat.

I wouldn't book the table for next month

I wouldn't attend any more of their meetings

I would stay in the WhatsApp group for now to see what, if anything, the others say or react to no book or table for next month.

I would join the film and book group and enjoy that.

Agree with this.

BadSkiingMum · 06/06/2024 06:43

I love books and got involved in a new book group that was forming.

The first meeting was fine - in a local pub and all quite enjoyable. I gave a lift home to an older lady afterwards. No trouble at all.

The second meeting was planned. There was an abrupt email about an hour beforehand from the older lady saying: ‘One of you will have to give me a lift so I can get there’. I was on a train home from work at that point so couldn’t really fit that in.

At the second meeting several people said that they didn’t want to keep meeting in pubs and could we take turns in hosting. I had to apologise and say that I wouldn’t be able to do so due to small DC having childcare at home. One member volunteered her house, but then said, ‘Oh by the way I have five cats in a very small house, I hope everyone’s ok with that.’ 😂

I like cats (but only in small numbers), I like books and I don’t mind giving the occasional lift, but it was clearly going to be more hassle than it was worth. After that I decided that I was far better off in a book group of one.

PuppyMonkey · 06/06/2024 06:45

I think you’ve given it a good go for six years and it’s time to admit defeat. The message is perfect.

MmedeGouge · 06/06/2024 06:52

They sound the opposite of a welcoming, inclusive group. You have been attending for years but are still on the periphery.

After last nights debacle I would not contact them again.
Wait and see if they contact you. If not forget them. You have tried for long enough.

I am sorry this has happened to you. I hope you find a more pleasant group in the future.

Incidentally what was the book you had chosen?

AliceOlive · 06/06/2024 06:57

crockofshite · 06/06/2024 06:24

I wouldn't send any messages on the WhatsApp group chat.

I wouldn't book the table for next month

I wouldn't attend any more of their meetings

I would stay in the WhatsApp group for now to see what, if anything, the others say or react to no book or table for next month.

I would join the film and book group and enjoy that.

This is what I would do.

Zonder · 06/06/2024 07:02

Perfect message. You have been amazing to stick it out for so long when basically they're a clique.

I hope you find a lovely new group.

powershowerforanhour · 06/06/2024 07:14

Your message is perfect OP.

Iaskedyouthrice · 06/06/2024 07:19

I agree with @crockofshite . I wouldn't send a message, they don't care so what would be the point? Just don't bother going back.
Don't book a table, you were sat there alone for goodness sake and no one bothered to let you know.
Step away.

shup · 06/06/2024 07:21

If you do send it I'd say "as no one else was in attendance I've selected the book for next month and it will be xxx" and then name a book with a storyline of a group of women to let someone down/ exclude them or with a title that says something along the line of "sod off"...then I'd leave the group.

Dontjudgeme101 · 06/06/2024 07:21

Iaskedyouthrice · 06/06/2024 07:19

I agree with @crockofshite . I wouldn't send a message, they don't care so what would be the point? Just don't bother going back.
Don't book a table, you were sat there alone for goodness sake and no one bothered to let you know.
Step away.

This 100%. Why send a message, they don’t deserve your words. As they say silence is golden!

Easipeelerie · 06/06/2024 07:25

Your message sounds polite but I don’t know why you’ve bothered booking a table for them.
They’re basically a social group who use the book club idea as a pretext to meet. You probably need a group that has more members similar to you.

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