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Billy no mates at the book group WWYD?

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ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:30

Sorry after reviewing just realised how long this is!

I'm in a book group which I've been in for about six years. It's held in a pub in a village not far from where I live but about 10 minutes drive, just under three miles away and we meet monthly. All women, all who live in this village and who all know each other. Nobody has ever been rude to me, and some of them are really nice. There was a 'queen bee' character but she wasn't unkind, that status was more to do with the fact I think she set it up, but she's moved away. Another has just moved away too, and there's always been a whipround when they've moved. One of them was 60 recently and we did that for her too.

One woman in particular I really like a lot. But they are all very tight knit and do lots together, in couples, all know one another's families well etc. That's fine, I don't want to join in all of that though I have been to a couple of quizzes in the past which was very good. Sometimes however I am not listened to and can't get a word in (not always when talking about the book, when it is general chat) and I feel as if I don't belong. The pub is the only one in the village and they all frequent it a lot.

Tonight was book group, and I was the person who selected the book. There's a group WhatsApp and it's quite active. A couple of the members were doing something else tonight and messaged to say they wouldn't be there, one saying she was really enjoying the book. Another (one of them who's moved away) messaged to say the same, gave her review and said how good it was. Another messaged to say she wouldn't be able to come as she was just leaving work. Nobody else (there would be another 4 besides me) messaged so I assumed they were coming and it was going ahead. So I turned up half an hour early so I could eat there first as I had just finished work too. Nobody else came. I messaged the group to say I was by myself, one (who'd already said she wasn't coming) sent an emoji 😥and asked if "someone can book for next month" but nobody else bothered.

Last month I couldn't get a word in edgewise and left thinking that if it didn't improve, I wouldn't come again. When we had a Christmas meal, I was the last to arrive (no berating for being late, I wasn't) and sat at the end of the table and wasn't really included in conversation.

I suggested the book so there would be something I could talk about a lot this time, and nobody came! I don't think it's personal in that they don't like me, more that they are so cliquey, but they're not nasty. I don't think I want to continue with this. I wish I hadn't wasted an hour and a half altogether travelling there, eating, then waiting around and going home irritated.

WWYD?

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hiMartha · 09/06/2024 23:59

Feck em

BarbaraWoodlouse1 · 10/06/2024 02:45

I wouldn’t bother anymore. You’re not getting much from it apart from feeling left out. I would start your own book club close to home. Not much empathy or care from those members. Must have felt really deflating for you.

You could give them some fiction of your own to discuss. Tell them you’re going to have to leave the group. You’ve won the lottery and need to get busy in other ways with charity work now. Then vanish! 😜 They’ll all wish they’d made friends with you then.

missdeamenor · 10/06/2024 07:55

Just walk away and don't give them the satisfaction of knowing you care. This group will probably never let 'outsiders' in and am sure it's not you. Sorry you were treated this way.

OVienna · 10/06/2024 08:21

Ger1atricMillennial · 09/06/2024 23:38

Yup therefore you can bond over shared experiences.

Actual Book clubs can be great for a small group of very introverted people, who are deep thinkers and really struggle to talk when in social situations.

"Book Clubs" where the book is just an excuse to get together and talk to others and socialise are very difficult to get into.

I am on a pub quiz team even though we are socialising, it's not the main goal of being there. I am also in a singing group and again the main goal is to sing, not necessarily to socialise, though we do occasionally.

I think you've summed this up very well. I was in one over lockdown with a small group of people. We did discuss the book but it was more of a 'pick me up' situation.

I also agree with an earlier poster - very hard to find yourself agreeing to read books you're not that into...

eggplant16 · 10/06/2024 08:27

Dreadful. The classic advice for anybody suffering from loneliness or low mood is to " join things"

Unfortunately , you then have to navigate selfish, thoughtless people.

WhatsApp groups are the work of the devil. I ended my brief foray in to the WI as a simple canal side stroll precipitated message after message from people I don't know. It also gave them the opportunity to brag about being on a beach somewhere.

Sorry OP, rotten experience.

eggplant16 · 10/06/2024 08:30

MaturingCheeseball · 08/06/2024 13:10

@changeme4this - very similar experience here. I went along to the local library book group and sat down in one of the chairs set out in a small semi-circle. A group of women came in and asked if I’d move because they wanted to sit together. So I moved to the row behind, and it happened again! This time there was nowhere else to sit so I was perched on a table at the back. I tried to leave, but the doors were locked so I slunk back, hot with embarrassment.

No one acknowledged me, not even the librarian running it, and at the coffee break I stood there like a lemon and when I approached the urn the woman said it had run out.

Towards the end the librarian asked if anyone had read any of the Booker nominations, so I gingerly raised my hand and mentioned a couple. The silence was deafening.

Needless to say I never went back and I’m still going on about it after five years!

God thats absolutely hideous.

MikeRafone · 10/06/2024 08:50

Thats incredibly rude of people not to say that they are not attending, it might not be that these people are nasty - but they are not inclusive for whatever reason.

Id look elsewhere for people that you can be included. If you are in another village, could you start your own book club?

GingerbicciesPlease · 10/06/2024 09:58

I loved the idea of a book club but did find that you have to like and get on with the other members.

I also agree that book clubs aren't always about books and more about chatting/eating/drinking.

The issue I had is that I know what books interest me (my professional work involves books and reading) so I wasn't that keen to wade through a book someone had picked up at the airport as a light read. I know that sounds snobby and it's an extreme example (because airports have all sorts of books) but you get my drift.

I was wanting something 'meatier' and maybe even discussing some classics .
I could tell within a 5 pages if a book was for 'me' and reading all of it was soul destroying.

I honestly think book clubs are best for people who don't know what to read and are happy to give anything a go.

crockofshite · 10/06/2024 13:58

OldPerson · 07/06/2024 18:45

They're comfortable. They're just not that in to you.

If you are an active mum, your life revolves around your kids, who your kids are friends with, what challenges and goals they're facing.

Seriously, I have "people", where we recommend dramas and films to each other.

It's entertainment. It's a nice to have.

Like books, it's not a shared activity.

Just why are you a member of a book club? Which people do you tell that you're a member of a book club?

book clubs, like other clubs created for things to do ie films, bitch & stitch, running, golf etc, are a way of socialising, meeting people, making friends. Radical I know.

And some people like to discuss the books they've read.

And at the various book groups I've belonged to, sometimes the book of the month wasn't necessarily something I would have chosen myself but found I really enjoyed, and made me want to read other books by the same author.

I think it's about expanding horizons.

ColdGirlWinter · 11/06/2024 10:42

Wow I am amazed at all the replies to this. I've been away for a few days on a conference, and when I told two or three of my friends about last Wednesday, they all concurred with the points you Mumsnetters have made.

We have set up a work book group now. The book being discussed next month is one written by a friend of a friend (it's a good book, it's not nepotism!). We will meet every month one lunchtime on a Thursday.

Then a woman who runs a local book group asked me to Walk her dog. I told her about my experience and she said it's food for thought, something she will have to watch in the group she organises and invited me to join that one too.

It's all about getting the balance right isn't it, a mix of hope everyone's OK and had a good week etc, and book talk.

OP posts:
Silvers11 · 11/06/2024 12:45

All sounds like things are on the up @ColdGirlWinter Hope you have found 'your people' now.

Cavalierchaos · 11/06/2024 13:35

Oh OP, I can't believe you stuck this out for 6 years! It doesn't sound like a book club, more a social group that was already organised.

I wouldn't even send them a message. Probably wouldn't even leave the chat. Just go quiet and see what happens.

Cavalierchaos · 11/06/2024 13:36

Oh just saw the update. Hope it works out for you.

diddl · 11/06/2024 13:38

Great update Op.

ColdGirlWinter · 11/06/2024 13:46

Cavalierchaos · 11/06/2024 13:35

Oh OP, I can't believe you stuck this out for 6 years! It doesn't sound like a book club, more a social group that was already organised.

I wouldn't even send them a message. Probably wouldn't even leave the chat. Just go quiet and see what happens.

@Cavalierchaos I'm not messaging them at all, no! I'm not leaving the group because I want to see if it actually dawns on them that I'm no longer there! I might get in touch with the woman I like, separately. I do sometimes go in the pub occasionally to eat with another friend and she's often there with her husband, who's also a nice person.

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ColdGirlWinter · 11/06/2024 13:54

@Cavalierchaos By that I mean the WhatsApp group. I am definitely leaving the actual group!

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Sceptical123 · 11/06/2024 15:56

👍🏻

Mary46 · 12/06/2024 14:40

Thats great op well done. Hate cliques too its mean girl teen behaviour! I met a few through my walking they lovely.

Henrysotherwoman · 17/06/2024 15:57

I'm sorry you were made to feel that way, but you've done the right thing. I do hope you come back and let us know!! In the meantime, have a lovely relaxing holiday 😎

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