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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

OP posts:
LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/06/2024 22:25

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/06/2024 22:21

Up,to 15% now

That 15% are very likely daydreamers, who fantasize about exciting encounters and illicit affairs with other men, because their life is a bit dull and boring.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/06/2024 22:25

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 17:42

People often hit the wrong button and sometimes misunderstand how the buttons relate to the question., though I find understand the latter in this case.

Edited

And people,also,disagree with the vocal majority !!

Katbum · 04/06/2024 22:27

This is a folly. You are fantasising about a man who in fact, is not being very nice to the only women he owes decency. I am sure he has enjoyed being your knight in shining armour and maintaining enough of a presence in your life to keep you interested. However, if the fantasy were to become reality I don’t think you would find ‘true happiness’. You would likely find a big old mess and lots of difficult feelings, and perhaps more misery. Keep going to therapy. Work on being your own happiness. No man can provide that.

UnctuousUnicorns · 04/06/2024 22:31

"For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days."

I would run a mile if anyone did that. It screams"obsessive loon" to me.
I would back the heck off from all of this. You're sixty, not a lovesick sixteen year old.

Hibernating80 · 04/06/2024 22:34

Pretty woman is fiction.

He saw vulnerability in you for his ego.

Move on from this distraction.

PDA · 04/06/2024 22:34

Tell him you have feelings for him but don’t want to be involved in an emotional or physical affair any longer. Ask him not to contact you unless he’s single (as in moved out, the marriage is over, actively pursuing divorce). And mean it. If he wants you then he wants you. But if he’s still with his wife then this isn’t the love story you’re imagining it is.

grinandslothit · 04/06/2024 22:38

He's and you both know it.

If he is unhappy in his marriage, he needs to sort that out and be a big boy and get a divorce before getting involved with someone else.

dietagain24 · 04/06/2024 22:46

I think the whole fairytale romantic movie notion that we all get fed comes into play here. The missed opportunity, what could have been. You both realise years later and fall in love, his wife is happy to be free and also falls in love with someone else.

Unfortunately that’s not real life. In reality his poor wife will be devastated and her whole marriage will feel like a lie if it’s always been u he wanted. She will question so many things from across their 30 years married. In reality spending actual physical time with him will burst your bubble and u will realise he’s not just a wonderful, romantic notion but a typical man who leaves things at his arse, farts and moans.

Never say never but right now whilst he is married is a complete no go zone.

Liliee · 04/06/2024 22:52

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

That little vignette really is appalling, isn't it? And yet OP seems charmed.

NothingTraLaLa · 04/06/2024 23:03

Slightly off the wall, but my advice OP is to listen to Taylor Swift’s new album. The thread running through it is a relationship which is very similar to yours with your old flame. I reckon you’ll identify with some of it. Use it as a cautionary tale!

It’s a cracking listen; took me a few goes to get into it but it was well worth it.

Troubledprimarymum · 04/06/2024 23:09

Mattenshough799 · 04/06/2024 17:18

Sorry op. I don’t think this was ever about you and your wishes - he would have badgered you until you married him years ago if it was - this is more about about how having a “love interest” outside of his marriage makes him feel. It obviously buoys him up in some way. It’s always easy to have a “what if” relationship isn’t it, when you don’t have to listen to them snore or put up with their annoying habits.

Sorry op but I think you are living in a bit of a fantasy world.

Tbh I think it’s a bit sleazy and highly inappropriate to be lending money and sending flowers to a friend without the knowledge of your wife.

I have to agree.

I think he would have left his wife for you if he really wanted you.

And he isn't treating you properly and he isn't treating his wife properly either. He doesn't deserve the high pedestal you have put him on. You're contemplating building a future on 'what ifs' and 'sliding doors'.

He wouldn't be the first man to walk out of a long marriage but make sure you're not a part of it because when the going gets tough, it will be thrown back in your face.

Calliopespa · 04/06/2024 23:33

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

I’m afraid OP I didn’t find this bit romantic either. If you were his wife posting, I would have found this detail quite repellent .

I’m sorry you are feeling opportunities were missed but I’m not so sure they were. He sounds a right player to me: the “ cake and eat it” variety.

You are clearly a clever, capable type. Find something fulfilling to distract you - some project or cause that may be the thing you have done with your life that you are most proud of: writing, charity, ecology … whatever is your your strength.

Do not pursue this married man. I predict it will be the thing you become most ashamed of.

midnights0 · 04/06/2024 23:33

NothingTraLaLa · 04/06/2024 23:03

Slightly off the wall, but my advice OP is to listen to Taylor Swift’s new album. The thread running through it is a relationship which is very similar to yours with your old flame. I reckon you’ll identify with some of it. Use it as a cautionary tale!

It’s a cracking listen; took me a few goes to get into it but it was well worth it.

Agreed! These particular lines stick out for me in this case
'It was legendary
It was momentary
It was unnecessary
Should've let it stay buried'

Calliopespa · 04/06/2024 23:43

FiveZoo · 04/06/2024 20:55

This.

Op has absolutely no concience.

How delightful it must have been for his wife having you on the fringes of her life and now when you are divorced feel that you can snap your fingers and this man will throw away 30 years for you.

There is a word for people like you but many on here think it is overly diagnosed.

I’m one of those “ many” but would happily hear it diagnosed in this instance tbh.

Op it’s really pretty disgraceful: pull yourself together.

Calliopespa · 04/06/2024 23:45

Fourfurrymonsters · 04/06/2024 19:37

Probably the ones that have fucked other women’s husbands.

or they accidentally sat on their phone

SheepAndSword · 05/06/2024 00:15

I have some sympathy as we usually have yearning for our younger selves at times and you have known him for 40 years.

But you have both built separate lives, you don't really know anything about his family life. So it's time to accept that you're vulnerable at present and would like a connection but he is not it. He's connected to his family.

The kiss was nostalgia. I hope you can move in to the next stage of your life.

mrlistersgelfbride · 05/06/2024 00:29

This is not good OP.
I'd run a mile at the flowers and my darling stuff. All rather slimey.

I think you need to let it go. The kiss was nostalgia that took him back to being 19.
This is a fantasy and you are obviously enjoying it but I don't think he'll leave his wife. I feel so sorry for her.

KomodoOhno · 05/06/2024 01:05

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

I think you need to realize what he's done to her he will do to you. Do you really want to be going thru that in your 60's. Those are the years you should be enjoying yourself. Not hitching up to a cheater.

KateMiddletonsExtensions · 05/06/2024 01:16

I was just going to ask if he's called Ian but that particular twat didn't go to uni.

JohnSt1 · 05/06/2024 01:23

Sometimes you can be hit by overwhelming feelings for someone you were in love with a long time ago.

It can feel like you're on a rollercoaster, but you have free choice, and you need to take a step back. He's married to another woman.

Rosybamboo · 05/06/2024 01:38

Too late. The intimacy has happened all this time for 40 years. OP has been hung up on this guy from the start and been unfaithful while married and this man is exactly the same. I hope for better times for their spouses, ex-spouses, kids and whoever else had this web tangled over them.

I say they definitely deserve each other. OP imagines this guy is a gentleman and they’ll ride off into the sunset together. This guy is opposite of that and OP will find out soon enough.

MissTrip82 · 05/06/2024 01:40

I’m not sure how successful your therapy has been with regard to your self esteem if you’re still trapped in competition with other women for the tiny scraps of affection this man is occasionally throwing you.

fluffiphlox · 05/06/2024 01:56

He sounds like a manipulative git.

ClonedSquare · 05/06/2024 06:16

"He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity."

What a shame he couldn't treat his wife the same way. Constant flirting on family holidays, sending massive bouquets of flowers to a "friend" on his wedding day, lending large sums of money and now cheating on his wife and talking about how your kisses 40 years ago were the best of his life.

He's an arsehole and tbh so are you to engage with it.

leaningtowerofplant · 05/06/2024 07:07

Coming at this from a slightly different angle. I absolutely agree with the number of posters saying op shouldn’t pursue anything and that the man’s behaviour isn’t good at all - awful for his wife and he needs to stop mucking around flirting/kissing/texting unless he separates.

But can we be kinder to OP, please? Life is complicated. Friendships of 40 years are complicated. Humans are fallible and it’s not always possible to control one’s emotions surrounding a situation or walk an impeccable moral line.

I’m younger than the op but as I’ve got older I see situations as less black and white than I did in my 20s and 30s. I’m also aware life is short - OP no doubt is too and that’s one of the reasons why this situation is difficult. She and this man have feelings for each other and a history- it’s not easy to navigate.

Of course she has to deal with this responsibly and get serious distance from him, but I don’t think all the posts calling her an idiot are helpful. Good luck op.

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