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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

OP posts:
DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 19:00

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 18:41

For 5 days of their honeymoon? 🤔

Yeah and she's cool with them recreating their first kiss too.

Thesunisanorange · 04/06/2024 19:01

My friends ex was being his normal self to her, while telling someone on a dating website that he had broken up with her as she was too needy and he did too much for her kids. In reality he had rejoined a dating website behind her back, there was no issues, my mate had her own house, the bf did jackshit for her kids as they had a mum and very engaged dad. The bf lived with his siblings and could not even drive. The fact her thought he was supporting her and her kids was ludicrous. He was a man baby. Never moved out of the family home!

Ugh, I know the man in above wasn’t married but this is why I steer clear of “Married but separated” men as they often pull this stunt. The way I see If you can’t even wait until the ink is dry on your divorce papers before you leap into another relationship it says something about you.

Married is married and I will not deal with any sort of married man no matter what he claims the circumstances of his marriage are. When I used online dating I actually had on my profile that “separated” men shouldn’t bother. Of course men lie but I did what I could do avoid them trying to hit me with the “our marriage is on the rocks” line.

pinkfondu · 04/06/2024 19:06

He's not the man you have built him up to be and is playing with you

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:09

thisoldcity · 04/06/2024 17:15

I think you need to look back at this fondly as a 'road not taken'. We all have these and you need to be philosophical about it.

I think you're right. Not sure how to 'look back fondly on the road not taken' right now but hopefully I'll get there in the end.

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Bestyearever2024 · 04/06/2024 19:10

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:09

I think you're right. Not sure how to 'look back fondly on the road not taken' right now but hopefully I'll get there in the end.

Just don't break up his marriage. That should make you feel at least righteous if not fond

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:14

SunflowerTed · 04/06/2024 16:42

I’d take a step back and let him sort out his marriage issues. I get you want to seize the moment but he’s been married 30 years. Might all be a fantasy and wouldn’t work out anyway

Yes that seems to be the general consensus. I think we might both be hankering after our younger selves.

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9quidicecream · 04/06/2024 19:16

Ffs op he’s married !!!!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 04/06/2024 19:17

solice84 · 04/06/2024 18:19

His poor wife
'Mild flirting ' indeed
I would have blown an absolute gasket if I was either of your spouses
Get a grip op and leave him alone .
I'm angry reading your op

Yeah, I watched ex 'mildly flirting' with the woman who turned out to be the OW. And so did everyone else while they thought they were being discreet.

Wishimaywishimight · 04/06/2024 19:17

Did you not think it completely inappropriate of him to be sending you daily bouquets while he was getting married / on honeymoon? This is not the behaviour of a decent man.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:19

Seaoftroubles · 04/06/2024 16:52

OP, do not do anything. He and his wife are in counselling ( or so he says) so leave them to work out their issues. Stop meeting up with him alone and wait to see if they stay together or not. If they separate then take it from there but be aware it could easily all come to nothing.

We live in different countries so apart from the reunion we've never met up alone and I have no plans to do so. But I appreciate your advice.

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Greenleavesinthesun · 04/06/2024 19:20

You’re no friend if you become the reason his marriage breaks.

Thesunisanorange · 04/06/2024 19:21

@Lifelongfriend a lot of us have asked - did his wife know about the “substantial” loan and him sending 5 bouquets of flower?

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:21

Chillilounger · 04/06/2024 17:10

I would minimise contact and start dating. You obviously want that connection with someone. Move on with your life. If he chooses to end his relationship and after a healing period gets in touch you can reassess but you may well have moved on with someone else by then. Don't be the reason he leaves his wife. He will hold it against you and you will forever be looking over your shoulder.

Probably the best advice, thank you.

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Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:23

Hotgirlwinter · 04/06/2024 17:25

In fairness OP you posted essentially saying you’re in love and want to “go for it” with a married man.

Put aside the mitigation of “we’ve always loved each other” and face the fact that he has a wife who has given 30 years of her life to him. They might not be happy, that is irrelevant, she still deserves respect as a fellow human being.

If he leaves his marriage then you may well end up seeing your days out together but he has to do that of his own accord. The fact he has now backed off is telling, perhaps he enjoyed the attention and the feeling of a back up plan but now it is a potential reality and not just an indulgent fantasy, he may be having a big realisation of what it means to leave his life of 30+ years and start again.

Back away, you’ve made your feelings clear. If he leaves his marriage, you can see what happens. Either way continue on with therapy and don’t count on him for your future happiness. You can / will be happy alone or with someone else

Thank you for this sage advice. I have been happy on my own since I got divorced. Just didn't expect what happened and it's thrown me. These posts are quite the reality check.

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extrawhite · 04/06/2024 19:28

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:21

Probably the best advice, thank you.

because the poster isn’t saying WTF about you asking if you should continue to pursue a married man shudder

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 19:28

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:19

We live in different countries so apart from the reunion we've never met up alone and I have no plans to do so. But I appreciate your advice.

You've never met alone, or had time alone except these kisses and you are star crossed lovers?! 😳

Frangipanyoul8r · 04/06/2024 19:30

Love isn’t really this difficult, if it was meant to be it would be. He sounds like he treats his wife like a mug.

BlastedPimples · 04/06/2024 19:31

How vile of him to send you flowers when he was on honeymoon. His poor wife.

This isn't a man of honour at all.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:32

Freeme31 · 04/06/2024 18:19

Hi OP
You say:
"Feels like I haven't so much asked for advice as kicked a hornets nest."
BUT
You are getting advice - it's stay away from married men (you must see that 99% of respondents are giving you this advice) are you seriously not seeing that.?!

Yes I do see that 88% say leave him alone and it's really helpful to have gotten such an overwhelming response - wisdom of the crowd and all that. If I knew what to do I wouldn't have asked. I've been in my own little bubble and it's well and truly popped!

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LadyHavelockVetinari · 04/06/2024 19:33

Gently OP but this man doesn't love you. He probably had a crush on you back in uni and has kept this flirting going because it makes him feel good. Chuck him back.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:33

ThreeEggOmlette · 04/06/2024 18:04

It's all fantasy. The reality would be very different I suspect.

Just leave him be until he's left his wife.

And if he doesn't leave her, just let them be together.

Sounds like what was a fun flirtation has gone too far. Sadly you can't go back.

You've probably hit the nail on the head, thanks.

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Nazzywish · 04/06/2024 19:34

His wife wasted all these years on him when he was pining after you. Now they're finally trying to sort it out via counselling you want to insert yourself even more.
Back off. Let them see if they can salvage their marriage ,if it ends in divorce naturally then you go back into life otherwise exit it. She deserves better so either tell her or back off.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:35

Notsuchaniceguy · 04/06/2024 18:11

Do not do it. His behaviour sounds like the shit I was pulling, getting invested in the life and troubles of someone else in a way beyond friendship, that led to my EA and the breakup of two marriages in a horrible way and no-one came through that car crash without significant hurt. I was a fucking arsehole back then, managing low self esteem and childhood trauma in an immoral way. Don't be me and don't encourage him to be me.

If one of you is married the only thing you can do is cut all contact. If he arrives on your doorstep in a year or so, properly separated then you are both single and can do what you want.

Thank you, good to get advice from someone who has been there.

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thisoldcity · 04/06/2024 19:36

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:09

I think you're right. Not sure how to 'look back fondly on the road not taken' right now but hopefully I'll get there in the end.

Time, distance, distraction. I wish you well.

whyhavetheygotsomany · 04/06/2024 19:36

Let him work his marriage out one way or another. If his single then go for it

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