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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

OP posts:
Swanbeauty · 04/06/2024 20:23

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roman12345 · 04/06/2024 20:23

Oh OP, I mean this with kindness.

Please don't wait for any man who needs time to decide if he wants you.

He's had 40 years. If he wanted you, he'd be with you. He'll only come to you if his wife leaves him and maybe not even then. You aren't his first choice, you never were.

You probably imagine a perfect life with him. Try not to grieve for the relationship in your mind's eye. That version doesn't and wouldn't exist. You know up front he's a cheat. He has not been faithful, he kissed you. He might have kissed others. He might 'not cheat' on you too. You've already shown that you're willing to share.

You are doing the 'pick me' dance to 'win' a married cheat. He's shown you who he is - believe him. You'll get over this much quicker if you drop the fairy-tale.

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 20:24

2 questions

1 when was the last time you saw him in person
2 how much time have you spent alone with this man in the last…. 3 decades?

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 20:32

Op, I'd like to see how you'd have reacted if your ex husband had flirted with other women in front of you, lent another woman a substantial amount of your money (and when you're married, it is all your money), and you found out he'd sent her flowers for 5 (?) days while you were on honeymoon, due to her childs premature birth.

You have been colluding happily in treating another woman like shit, and now (now that you're divorced) comes your piece de resistance.... Propositioning her husband and asking him to leave her for you.

You seem to have absolutely no idea how you come across.

Instead it's all flowery, self absorbed, egotistical stuff about the photo of the two men having a tug of war over you, the recreated kiss, the emotion, the angst.

You seem like you don't give a fuck about anyone else, or about integrity, as long as you get when you want, whether it was your new home .... or, now that you haven't met anyone else; their husband (!)

OhYoko · 04/06/2024 20:32

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 16:44

A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful

Well that is big of him

Yes, this stood out to me. Is that something he says @Lifelongfriend or is this your interpretation? Because if it's something he says it's a bit grim.

Look, I've made my share of mistakes and probably yours too, but I'm fairly sure that nothing good can come from this. If he wanted to be with you, you've been divorced a while it sounds like, so I think he would already be.

I have no doubt that he has feelings for you and I'm sure you make him feel young and vital and all of those things (and the same with him for you) but I suspect that the heightened nature of it being "what could have been..." makes it a more compelling narrative in your head than is really the case. At the end of the day, if you're so right for one another why didn't you get together all of those years ago?

In your shoes I would distance myself (properly, block him if necessary) and wait and see what happens with his marriage with you well out of frame. If it's meant to happen it will and he will do the right thing. You talk about low self esteem etc all your life, well don't continue that by becoming this man's mistress. Just engage you've known him 40 years wouldn't make it less of an affair or less wrong. If he's a good man he will do right be everyone in this situation.

Good luck.

PrestonHood121 · 04/06/2024 20:33

He will be obsessed with the attention you have given him over the years, like you are with his. The attention vacancy will open up if he leaves his wife for you - you're probably not the only woman he is leading on. Good luck!

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 20:39

Lubilu02 · 04/06/2024 20:22

If you love him as much as you say you love him, then being 'together' is irrelevant.

He shares your feelings, but he also made a vow to his wife and being the good person he is, is having a hard time breaking that. You should not pressure him to make any solid decisions either, they need to come organically from him.

I've come to believe, the beauty is in the connection itself.

Cherish it for what it is :)

Edited

You're right. I really am trying to cherish what has been one of my longest and loveliest friendships.

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Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 20:42

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/06/2024 20:07

Lifelongfriend · Today 20:02
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I hear you, but he's not casual acquaintance, I have known him well for over forty years”

Sorry, mate but if it was meant to be it would have been - 40 years ago. The grass is always greener, whatever age you are.

Yes, maybe it's all just nostalgia gone mad.

OP posts:
9quidicecream · 04/06/2024 20:44

You really don’t give two shits about his wife do you ?
Does she think you’re her friend ?

Feelsodrained · 04/06/2024 20:47

Tell him to sort out his marriage issues. I’m guessing he never really loved his wife which is sad but more common than people think. If he leaves her you could see how it goes when he is single but I’d tell him it’s a no for now and no guarantees even if he does leave her.

oakleaffy · 04/06/2024 20:49

Hoppinggreen · 04/06/2024 16:47

His poor wife
Don't try and turn this into some sort of Hugh Grant style Rom Com, its grubby and you know it

THIS in spades.
What a sleazy creepy man, sending flowers to another woman on his wedding day?!
Have some self respect , OP.

sandorschicken · 04/06/2024 20:49

OP - answer the questions about his wife.

FiveZoo · 04/06/2024 20:55

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 20:32

Op, I'd like to see how you'd have reacted if your ex husband had flirted with other women in front of you, lent another woman a substantial amount of your money (and when you're married, it is all your money), and you found out he'd sent her flowers for 5 (?) days while you were on honeymoon, due to her childs premature birth.

You have been colluding happily in treating another woman like shit, and now (now that you're divorced) comes your piece de resistance.... Propositioning her husband and asking him to leave her for you.

You seem to have absolutely no idea how you come across.

Instead it's all flowery, self absorbed, egotistical stuff about the photo of the two men having a tug of war over you, the recreated kiss, the emotion, the angst.

You seem like you don't give a fuck about anyone else, or about integrity, as long as you get when you want, whether it was your new home .... or, now that you haven't met anyone else; their husband (!)

Edited

This.

Op has absolutely no concience.

How delightful it must have been for his wife having you on the fringes of her life and now when you are divorced feel that you can snap your fingers and this man will throw away 30 years for you.

There is a word for people like you but many on here think it is overly diagnosed.

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 21:06

is very proud of remaining faithful

Is?

But he's kissed at least one other woman - does he only consider actual shagging to be infidelity?
(And there was clearly a background of flirtation and something approaching an emotional affair before the kisd as well).

Does that go for his wife too - does she get to flirt with other men in front of him, hand out sizeable loans to them, send them gifts, kiss them? Or is it only him?

ShoeHelpNeeded · 04/06/2024 21:09

Love of your life? Give over.

He has been there each time you have been vulnerable to "rescue you" so you have attached to him. Go back to therapy and work on yourself. He is married and he crossed a line kissing you and hinting something might happen. He isn't sounding like a good person. Stay clear of married men. You lose them how you find them

Luio · 04/06/2024 21:10

If he is willing to lie to his wife, he will also be willing to lie to you. I bet he has been unfaithful before. He sounds like your standard cheat.

westisbest1982 · 04/06/2024 21:11

Have you ever asked yourself why he’s not left his wife for you over a period that spans three decades?

BeagleMumOfTwo · 04/06/2024 21:46

OPs replies are telling.
I suspect like with any thread on here that is OP pinning for Married Man, the cold hard facts being given to her are sailing right over her head.
Almost the literal fingers in ears!
Just by discussing it on here, re living everything, the sheer blummin drama is enough for some people to gather their breadcrumbs.
OP, seriously, listen, really listen to what is the unanimous advice.

drainthebath · 04/06/2024 21:54

Did his wife know that he'd given you a huge chunk of her money?

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 22:03

Ok then...

That was interesting. Thanks to everyone who took the time to post. I get the general consensus. Some really helpful replies.

Signing off for now.

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LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/06/2024 22:11

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 22:03

Ok then...

That was interesting. Thanks to everyone who took the time to post. I get the general consensus. Some really helpful replies.

Signing off for now.

Didn't get enough answers telling you what you wanted to hear @Lifelongfriend ??? Wink

Well whatever, do the sensible thing and block this man and delete him from your life FGS.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/06/2024 22:21

thisoldcity · 04/06/2024 17:15

I think you need to look back at this fondly as a 'road not taken'. We all have these and you need to be philosophical about it.

Probably the most on point post

JanefromLondon1 · 04/06/2024 22:21

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This has been withdrawn due to privacy concerns.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/06/2024 22:21

Circleinthesand81 · 04/06/2024 17:27

Despite all of these message, 12% of people are still saying you should go for it, which is odd.

Up,to 15% now

DreamTheMoors · 04/06/2024 22:24

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 16:45

always starting his messages with, 'my darling'.

🤮

I think you kinda do want to ruin his marriage, only in some fairytale “I’m completely innocent” sort of way so you don’t have to take any responsibility for it.
I’m not buying this bullshit “we’ve loved each other forever” story at all.
Find your own man - this one’s taken.