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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

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sweatervest · 04/06/2024 19:37

the flowers thing makes my skin crawl.

he sounds like a complete knobface and i bet there are other women he's treated like this and they've told him what a lecherous creepy twat he is

i don't know why you're giving him any headspace. he sounds cringe-ily revolting to me.

Fourfurrymonsters · 04/06/2024 19:37

Circleinthesand81 · 04/06/2024 17:27

Despite all of these message, 12% of people are still saying you should go for it, which is odd.

Probably the ones that have fucked other women’s husbands.

Thesunisanorange · 04/06/2024 19:39

sweatervest · 04/06/2024 19:37

the flowers thing makes my skin crawl.

he sounds like a complete knobface and i bet there are other women he's treated like this and they've told him what a lecherous creepy twat he is

i don't know why you're giving him any headspace. he sounds cringe-ily revolting to me.

She’s almost just as bad for encouraging and revelling in it all and doesn’t seem to care about his wife.

I notice she’s not answering the question of whether his wife was aware of him loaning her a large sum and sending 5 bouquets of flowers during their honeymoon.

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/06/2024 19:40

Back off. If he wants to leave his wife, he will.

Then, great. When he has his own place and all is public.

I would have no respect for a man who wanted to line the next one up first. However well I thought I knew him.

(I’m 60, too)

SingleMummyHere1 · 04/06/2024 19:44

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

Absolutely this. What an awful man. The poor wife, what an unkind, cruel thing for him to do re the flowers.

VibeOnWithMyGalPals · 04/06/2024 19:44

I’m sure he cares about you a lot, but you’re basically just his lost youth and escapism

I would be pretty certain that he won’t leave his wife for you.
Does he have children and grandchildren? He most likely won’t want to betray them

Meanwhile, he enjoys the thrill of messaging you and having you stroke his ego

StaunchMomma · 04/06/2024 19:44

He loves and wants to be with his wife but enjoys having you on the side as an ego stroker.

He sounds like a dick.

Passiflora2 · 04/06/2024 19:45

9quidicecream · 04/06/2024 17:57

Disgusting, shitty behaviour from both of you

I second this.

UpInCharms · 04/06/2024 19:46

I'd take any information about the marriage with a pinch of salt...there may be troubles, if they're affluent and established and have a good standard of living they'll both be loath to detach from this.

Maybe wife knows about his flirtations and doesn't care as long as she has the right lifestyle? (Or has affairs herself).

You just don't know if they're in a different country...they'll have built their own social circles which are vastly different to you and yours.

If he ends up divorced and a wealthy guy, he may want to date around. Quite possibly younger women.

The rich single men I know in this demographic are absolutely flooded with options (especially if they have reasonable networks and social skills and an international lifestyle).

Quite apart from the marriage, he's breadcrumbing...dropping enough attention for an ego boost, getting you hooked, then pulling back so he hasn't given any promises.

I'd really ease back from this guy and focus on building other interesting networks.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:47

jellybe · 04/06/2024 16:55

Walk away!
Nothing good can come from this.
Don't reply to his texts/ messages/ emails.

Think of his wife who you have known for all these years too. Could you really put yourself into her marriage like that?

So what if he says they have issues are in therapy etc. not your busy! He is just looking to make excuses to flirt with you and get an ego boost from you telling him you love him.
You don't love him! You love the idea of what he would represent the youth you have lost and the 'what if' if you had gone for it when you were both young and in a position to go for it.

Walk. Away.

You don't love him! You love the idea of what he would represent the youth you have lost and the 'what if' if you had gone for it when you were both young and in a position to go for it.

You might well be right here, definitely something to address in therapy.

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Tbry24 · 04/06/2024 19:49

Think of his wife, I feel so very sorry for her.

IF they go on to divorce then he would be free, for now he is taken.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 19:50

UpInCharms · 04/06/2024 19:46

I'd take any information about the marriage with a pinch of salt...there may be troubles, if they're affluent and established and have a good standard of living they'll both be loath to detach from this.

Maybe wife knows about his flirtations and doesn't care as long as she has the right lifestyle? (Or has affairs herself).

You just don't know if they're in a different country...they'll have built their own social circles which are vastly different to you and yours.

If he ends up divorced and a wealthy guy, he may want to date around. Quite possibly younger women.

The rich single men I know in this demographic are absolutely flooded with options (especially if they have reasonable networks and social skills and an international lifestyle).

Quite apart from the marriage, he's breadcrumbing...dropping enough attention for an ego boost, getting you hooked, then pulling back so he hasn't given any promises.

I'd really ease back from this guy and focus on building other interesting networks.

I'd really ease back from this guy and focus on building other interesting networks.

Breadcrumbing, not heard that term before. Food for thought - pun intended.

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extrawhite · 04/06/2024 19:51

Passiflora2 · 04/06/2024 19:45

I second this.

third

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 19:52

op do you have any friends in RL who don’t know this man that you can talk to (and i suspect their reaction will be 🤔)

loropianalover · 04/06/2024 19:54

What is there to even go for? Doesn’t sound like he’s leaving his wife for you.

You both sound horrible.

Swanbeauty · 04/06/2024 19:58

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Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 20:02

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I hear you, but he's not casual acquaintance, I have known him well for over forty years.

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Fourfurrymonsters · 04/06/2024 20:05

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 20:02

I hear you, but he's not casual acquaintance, I have known him well for over forty years.

So presumably you know his wife as well seeing as you used to holiday together. Which makes shitting on her even more vile.

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/06/2024 20:07

Lifelongfriend · Today 20:02
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I hear you, but he's not casual acquaintance, I have known him well for over forty years”

Sorry, mate but if it was meant to be it would have been - 40 years ago. The grass is always greener, whatever age you are.

Swanbeauty · 04/06/2024 20:09

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BeverForget · 04/06/2024 20:14

No, OP.
He's a scorpion.
They never change.

'You’re lonely, he has been lovely to you. It’s not real.'
This

dimsumfatsum · 04/06/2024 20:15

It's either now or never for both of you. He needs to make a decision and do the right thing by either fighting for his marriage if it's worth it or moving on.

5128gap · 04/06/2024 20:15

You're putting the cart before the horse. You can't 'go for it' can you? Because he as yet isn't willing to do any more than moon about, snatching kisses and being all angsty and dramatic while he weighs up whether a last hoorah is worth risking his marriage.
If he decides it is, I think if you're honest with yourself, you absolutely will go for it. You're single, he's lovely to you and you think it's the last chance saloon. You're rewriting your history with your minor flirtation front and centre to frame you both as the loves of each others lives, because that way you'll feel justified in him cheating on your friend you with you.
Personally if I were you, I'd try hard to resist. He's been married 30 years so it's a stretch to think its you who is 'the one'. Far more likely he's just at a point in his life where he's feeling bored, like times running out, and wants a bit of excitement and relive his youth.

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 20:17

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Yup, the attention is nice. Now I just need to find the backbone to follow your suggestions. 🤞🏻

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Lubilu02 · 04/06/2024 20:22

If you love him as much as you say you love him, then being 'together' is irrelevant.

He shares your feelings, but he also made a vow to his wife and being the good person he is, is having a hard time breaking that. You should not pressure him to make any solid decisions either, they need to come organically from him.

I've come to believe, the beauty is in the connection itself.

Cherish it for what it is :)

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