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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

OP posts:
Circleinthesand81 · 04/06/2024 17:02

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

Totally agree - I would definitely not be proud of the fact that a man was thinking of me on their wedding day to their wife...awful.

tothelefttotheleft · 04/06/2024 17:02

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

Massive overkill too. Who needs that many flowers to arrange when they have a premature child?

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 17:03

Isitsummer2024 · 04/06/2024 16:46

No you have to walk away from him. I don’t think he should be contacting you then backing off saying he is confused. It’s not going to help you or him. I think you should have no more contact.

Thanks, said more kindly than most. You're probably right. I'm getting a right kicking here and it seems to be much more unanimous than I expected.

Time to woman-up.

OP posts:
Gemmahearts94 · 04/06/2024 17:06

So you're a 60 year old pick me, cool.

You do realise you're incredibly selfish right? You would see his wife's life ruined because you "love" him.

Please

Gemmahearts94 · 04/06/2024 17:06

So you're a 60 year old pick me, cool.

You do realise you're incredibly selfish right? You would see his wife's life ruined because you "love" him.

Please

Freeme31 · 04/06/2024 17:07

Your 61 not 16 - grow up - the reason i say this is that affairs are selfish & immature- you are being both - his poor wife such disrespect from you (who has probably sat in her company) and her husband who he shares a bed with - do you really think he's thinking of you then - your making a fool of yourself

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 17:08

vincettenoir · 04/06/2024 17:00

It appears that he knows how you feel and the decision to make about whether you get together now is his to make given that you’re the single one and he’s the one in a relationship.

This may or may not work out but glad that your therapy is working well for you and you are moving forward.

Thank you for being so understanding. Feels like I haven't so much asked for advice as kicked a hornets nest.

OP posts:
Doseofreality · 04/06/2024 17:08

From reading what you have written, I think you are over romanticising things.

Picture him, naked, doing the smelliest poo with his best constipated face. If you still feel the same way about him afterwards, go for it.

StirlingMallory · 04/06/2024 17:10

If it's meant to be, he knows where to find you. Leave it now. Putting pressure on won't help any of the 3 of you.

Chillilounger · 04/06/2024 17:10

I would minimise contact and start dating. You obviously want that connection with someone. Move on with your life. If he chooses to end his relationship and after a healing period gets in touch you can reassess but you may well have moved on with someone else by then. Don't be the reason he leaves his wife. He will hold it against you and you will forever be looking over your shoulder.

ElaineMBenes · 04/06/2024 17:13

Massive overkill too. Who needs that many flowers to arrange when they have a premature child?..

Typical love bombing behaviour.
Massive red flag

thisoldcity · 04/06/2024 17:15

I think you need to look back at this fondly as a 'road not taken'. We all have these and you need to be philosophical about it.

MonsteraMama · 04/06/2024 17:16

Don't be so stupid, he's not the love of your life, he's a man who has love bombed you several times when you've been vulnerable and been horrendously disrespectful to his wife repeatedly.

If that's the love of your life you need to dig deep and find some standards for yourself.

The time to do something about this was when you were 19 and first realised you had feelings for him. It is too late. The possibility of discovering whether a relationship with this man would actually work has long, long passed you by.

Back off, lower or cut contact, and leave him to try and resolve the issues he's having in his marriage. You will make yourself look trashy and desperate if you try and insert yourself into their 30 year marriage at this point. Let it go.

OKIveNowDecided · 04/06/2024 17:16

A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful

He’s on his laptop clicking “ checkout” on 5 massive bouquets of flowers for his plan b, whilst his new bride blissfully snoozes next to him. Honestly, he deserves a medal for the sacrifices he’s had to make.

Maybe he’s in marriage counselling because his wife is sick of his serial philandering. 🤷‍♀️

whatnnoww · 04/06/2024 17:17

OP - meant with all kindness - it very likely isn’t real, it’s just a mirage .

My concern would be that you owe him money and are beholden to him as a result.

I have no idea why a newly married man would send so many flowers to someone who’d just had another man’s baby - not a good man though. Please tread carefully

Mattenshough799 · 04/06/2024 17:18

Sorry op. I don’t think this was ever about you and your wishes - he would have badgered you until you married him years ago if it was - this is more about about how having a “love interest” outside of his marriage makes him feel. It obviously buoys him up in some way. It’s always easy to have a “what if” relationship isn’t it, when you don’t have to listen to them snore or put up with their annoying habits.

Sorry op but I think you are living in a bit of a fantasy world.

Tbh I think it’s a bit sleazy and highly inappropriate to be lending money and sending flowers to a friend without the knowledge of your wife.

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 17:18

just seen your Poll question

* Should I keep persuing him?*

So you are pursuing a married man

gross.

Gemmahearts94 · 04/06/2024 17:19

He's a cheat, despite him being "proud" of his faithfulness which in itself is weird. People shouldn't think of being faithful to their spouse or partner as an achievement. You just don't cheat it's not hard. weirdo!

do you think you two will blissfully run off into the distance and live out your years together? And then when he cheats on you how will you feel?

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 17:19

on the basis of your poll

you are bored, lonely and…. desperate

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/06/2024 17:19

Freeme31 · 04/06/2024 17:07

Your 61 not 16 - grow up - the reason i say this is that affairs are selfish & immature- you are being both - his poor wife such disrespect from you (who has probably sat in her company) and her husband who he shares a bed with - do you really think he's thinking of you then - your making a fool of yourself

This. ^

You're acting like a smitten 15 year old girl @Lifelongfriend You may be 60, but you sound like a teenager. You're living in a fantasy dreamworld, and are speaking like you're in a romcom - or a chicklit novel. It's incredibly cringeworthy. I'm actually embarrassed for you. And this 'man' sounds even worse! 😬 He sounds horrible! As has been said, his poor wife!

As a pp said, doing the 'pick me' dance is just grim! 😖

WhamBamThankU · 04/06/2024 17:19

You're both fairly awful to have done this publicly.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/06/2024 17:19

extrawhite · 04/06/2024 17:19

on the basis of your poll

you are bored, lonely and…. desperate

YEP! This. ^

LunaMay · 04/06/2024 17:23

Gross. His wife deserves better and you two deserve each other.

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 17:24

I don't understand your question (go for it).

You r already gone for it and gotten an "I don't want you hurt anyone, I need time, I don't know what I want".

So how are you going to go for it exactly?

He's not biting.

Any btw, he's not been faithful cause he's been having a long-term sort of emotional affair and he's kissed that person too.

Does his wife know about the substantial loan?

That would end many marriages. As would the the week or whatever of flowers to another woman, around your wedding time.

He treats her like crap. Do you really want her position. You might find you're next. You think you're special but maybe you just fulfil a role that would be vacant if you step into wifey role.

No wonder they're in counselling if she knows about how he's acted.

And you've very much been a party to another woman being treated poorly and I appropriately..... Flirting with her h on holidays, taking sizeable loans out of "their* family finances.

Rockschooldropout · 04/06/2024 17:25

OP - you need to
look at this another way .. you didn’t miss out when you didn’t get together at uni. .. you dodged a bullet !
believe me , if you’d married him then you couid have enjoyed the luxury of him love bombing someone else on your wedding day and being unfaithful to you ..
keep with the therapy and see this situation for what it is .. you are 60 not 19 .. .. that ship sailed and quite frankly I think you had a lucky escape ..

Leave his marriage alone .. I feel sorry for his poor wife .. I say this kindly … stop hankering after the past .. and leave well alone