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Fallen in love with my married friend of 40 years. WWYD?

223 replies

Lifelongfriend · 04/06/2024 16:28

I'm sixty, I met 'A' also sixty at university, when we were both 19, he was a friend of my boyfriend's. There was instant chemistry between us and we 'fooled around' but I couldn't bring myself to leave my boyfriend. All out mutual friend knew about it. One friend recently sent me an old photo of the two of them having tug of war with me as the rope.

We remained good friends, and eventually both married other people. We live in different countries but I see him every couple of years. Our families often holidayed together, and our spouses tolerated our mild flirting.

He has always treated me with, love kindness, respect, thoughtfulness, loyalty and extreme generosity. I don't think we've ever had a cross word, yet I could never understand what he saw in me.

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

When I got divorced a few years ago he lent me a very substantial sum of money to buy a house. I offered to pay him interested on the loan but he wouldn't hear if it.

Since the divorce I've been in therapy and it's taken years to realise that growing up with a violent alcoholic father left me with very low self esteem which I masked with high achievement.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD, ADHD, depression and anxiety but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career from which I am now winding down.

'A' has been married for over thirty years, and is very proud of remaining faithful. But in the last couple of years he has confided in me that his marriage is in trouble and they are in counselling.

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed. I told him our first kiss was the best kiss of my life, he replied 'mine too'.

At a university reunion dinner a few months ago we passed the spot where we first kissed and he kissed me again. I would never have initiated it, but once it happened, the emotional floodgates opened.

In the weeks that followed, I told him that I love him. I think he loves me too but he says he is confused, and doesn't want to hurt anyone but he needs time.

So I backed off, but he keeps messaging asking how I am, always starting his messages with, 'my darling'. I asked what he wants but he doesn't seem to know.

A couple of people in our friendship circle have died recently and seeing the old crowd at funerals just makes me want to seize the day.

I don't want to ruin his marriage but I also don't want to miss out on the possibility of happiness with someone who I belatedly realise is the love of my life.

Should I back off, or go for it? WWYD?

OP posts:
9quidicecream · 04/06/2024 17:57

Disgusting, shitty behaviour from both of you

sandorschicken · 04/06/2024 17:57

What did his wife say (you know, the one person who actually really knows him) when he loaned you all that money, when he bought you all those flowers, when he kissed you etc?

Oh, he didn't tell her? You're his bit on the side OP, someone he probably just wants a crack at shagging before he's too old. And let's be fair, at your ages, his wife has had all the fun bits while you're gonna end the career and that's if he actually leaves her, which he probably won't!

I'm not gonna call you gross or grim or whatever some of the others have called you because I do think you believe it's a massive love story, you can see that but you've also been incredibly naive and fallen for one of the millions of 'unhappy men'. Lots of us do. But it's on our friends (and since you're posting on here, the women of Mumsnet) to tell us when we're being pollocks. You're being a pillock.

Littlebitofsomething · 04/06/2024 18:01

I am shocked that you flirted with another woman's husband in front of her. And that you shamed your husband by flirting with another man in front of him. This is all so wrong I don't even know where to start. You're an extremely selfish person.

ThreeEggOmlette · 04/06/2024 18:04

It's all fantasy. The reality would be very different I suspect.

Just leave him be until he's left his wife.

And if he doesn't leave her, just let them be together.

Sounds like what was a fun flirtation has gone too far. Sadly you can't go back.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 04/06/2024 18:05

Littlebitofsomething · 04/06/2024 18:01

I am shocked that you flirted with another woman's husband in front of her. And that you shamed your husband by flirting with another man in front of him. This is all so wrong I don't even know where to start. You're an extremely selfish person.

Agree with this. You are not a nice person. Deal with your trauma in a way that doesnt cause more for someone else. Youre bing incredibly selfish.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 04/06/2024 18:09

I am shocked that you flirted with another woman's husband in front of her. And that you shamed your husband by flirting with another man in front of him. This is all so wrong I don't even know where to start. You're an extremely selfish person

Marital radar is such that his wife is probably very well aware of his tactics and what went on. I picked up the signals from my ex and his 'flirting' and I'd been married four years, not forty. I wonder how long he's been playing these games with their female friends and she's watched and rolled her eyes at the silly fool?

He sounds a right sleaze.

Nancy1906 · 04/06/2024 18:10

I've been there, you can fall in love whatever point in your life.

I guess take a step back and see how his marriage unfolds.

If it breaks so be it. Until then you'll be the other woman, id rather not.

Notsuchaniceguy · 04/06/2024 18:11

Do not do it. His behaviour sounds like the shit I was pulling, getting invested in the life and troubles of someone else in a way beyond friendship, that led to my EA and the breakup of two marriages in a horrible way and no-one came through that car crash without significant hurt. I was a fucking arsehole back then, managing low self esteem and childhood trauma in an immoral way. Don't be me and don't encourage him to be me.

If one of you is married the only thing you can do is cut all contact. If he arrives on your doorstep in a year or so, properly separated then you are both single and can do what you want.

millennialprobs · 04/06/2024 18:13

I feel for you because we can't help who we fall for. But to save yourself further heartache, I'd back off and let him live his life and you live yours separately. It'll only end in tears

Bestyearever2024 · 04/06/2024 18:13

I don't want to ruin his marriage

Good. Thread over. Decision made

MrsLeonFarrell · 04/06/2024 18:14

If you believe he's been faithful for 30 years I have a bridge to sell you.

Bestyearever2024 · 04/06/2024 18:15

He also recently told me that for the entire four years we were at uni he never dated anyone and I was the only woman he kissed

I call EXTREME bullshit

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 18:17

but am also very high functioning and have had a successful career

I'm surprised you needed a substantial loan (from another family's finances) to get set up after your divorce; with presumably 50% of you and your ex's joint assets, and a successful career.

Back on his less than rip roaring enthusiastic response to your proposition; if he's wealthy, I'd imagine that's one of the reasons he's baulking at leaving is wife; she should get 50% of everything, esp. with such a long marriage.

solice84 · 04/06/2024 18:19

His poor wife
'Mild flirting ' indeed
I would have blown an absolute gasket if I was either of your spouses
Get a grip op and leave him alone .
I'm angry reading your op

RedHelenB · 04/06/2024 18:19

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 16:42

For example; my daughter was born prematurely just before his wedding so I couldn't attend. He sent me five massive bouquets of flowers, and it's only with hindsight that I realise that he must have ordered them for me on his wedding day or early in his honeymoon. (They arrived every day for five consecutive days.)

What an absolute grim disgrace of a man! How disrespectfully appalling to his wife!

Why? I assume he turned up for the wedding and honeymoon! I'd take that on a friendship level.

Freeme31 · 04/06/2024 18:19

Hi OP
You say:
"Feels like I haven't so much asked for advice as kicked a hornets nest."
BUT
You are getting advice - it's stay away from married men (you must see that 99% of respondents are giving you this advice) are you seriously not seeing that.?!

9quidicecream · 04/06/2024 18:22

He’s filling your head with bullshit and you’re believing it
grow up

RedHelenB · 04/06/2024 18:27

DotDashDot24 · 04/06/2024 17:37

Your partner sending an “Old flame” flowers every day for five days on your honeymoon. Then kissing her decades later at a reunion

The "substantial" loan for her to buy her home is arguably worse ..... That's their finances, he's married.

Maybe his wife agreed? Maybe she suggested the flowers? At the end of the day us and OP know very little about his marriage.

masomenos · 04/06/2024 18:27

You need to back off, and cut the romantic melodrama. It reeks of mid-life crises on both your parts, post-divorce loneliness on yours and toying with the idea of some affair-style excitement on his.

It’s also pretty shocking that you’ve got to 60 and haven’t learned that everyone is more amazing when you’re not having to make the compromises marriage entails.

Let this thread give you sharp bump back down to earth.

DoreenonTill8 · 04/06/2024 18:41

RedHelenB · 04/06/2024 18:27

Maybe his wife agreed? Maybe she suggested the flowers? At the end of the day us and OP know very little about his marriage.

For 5 days of their honeymoon? 🤔

IncessantNameChanger · 04/06/2024 18:43

He needs to complete break ties with his wife if he wants to end his marriage first.

Men say a lot of shit if they think they will get a shag

My friends ex was being his normal self to her, while telling someone on a dating website that he had broken up with her as she was too needy and he did too much for her kids. In reality he had rejoined a dating website behind her back, there was no issues, my mate had her own house, the bf did jackshit for her kids as they had a mum and very engaged dad. The bf lived with his siblings and could not even drive. The fact her thought he was supporting her and her kids was ludicrous. He was a man baby. Never moved out of the family home!

But everyone thought he was a lovely guy.

No man is going to say 'I want in your knickers but my wife is nice and unaware' they are always misunderstood and the wife's a crazy bitch.

Except the wife is not really a bitch. She is just lumbered with dirty randy chancer would would throw his partner under the bus for an ejaculation because that's how much they value their life partner.

It's all about their dick.

SamW98 · 04/06/2024 18:46

Hoppinggreen · 04/06/2024 16:47

His poor wife
Don't try and turn this into some sort of Hugh Grant style Rom Com, its grubby and you know it

100% this

Sorry to be cynical but he’s a grubby game playing little man and I would guarantee that if you did enter a relationship with him it would be nothing but a quick shag and you’d be complicit and possibly ruining his wife’s life.

Walk away and don’t get involved

I would bet my mortgage you’re not the first one he’s laid this bollox on with a trowel

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/06/2024 18:49

I wonder if his wife tolerated your flirting because she’s been having a torrid affair. Hope so.

Does she know her husband was giving you money?

Elasticatedtrousers · 04/06/2024 18:50

What an utterly self absorbed, selfish load of rubbish.

Leave this man alone. He is not your saviour. He is not your hero. He is not your true love or any other nonsense.

He is a man with a wife.

Grow up!

Naran · 04/06/2024 18:53

He’s married. So you must not approach him

you can be there, if he decides to end his marriage - but you should take no part in being a homewrecker. He presumably has grown up kids who will despise you if you contribute to breaking their parents up.

you have him on a pedestal. But what he is - is a man who kisses old uni mates, cheating on his wife emotionally and physically. Just because no sex happened, it’s still shit behaviour from him.

stay back and see what happens