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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

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Limth · 22/04/2024 10:45

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anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:45

I am strong believer of good people can make bad choices, but it doesnt make them bad people.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

Yes, he is a shit bag who made a bad choice in a moment of drinking, not an excuse - but a fact. Would he EVER do this when sober?

Personally, i dont think i would end my marriage over this - but this is also dependant on how he is acting right now, and whether he is willing to put in the work to fix the issues hes created.

I've been through similar, and we are still together and if anything - happier than ever. My inbox is always open should you need an impartial ear to vent too x

Mamoun · 22/04/2024 10:46

I will get flamed for saying this on MN, but I would maybe sit and think.
No life changing decisions should be made in the heat of the moment, on a very bad day.
You have young children which makes it a very big deal.

notofsoundmind · 22/04/2024 10:47

I would ditch them both

Didsomeonesaydogs · 22/04/2024 10:49

Your DH needs to get to the root of why he allowed this to happen if you are ever to trust him again.

Sorry is as sorry does. How is he proposing to fix this?

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:50

anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:45

I am strong believer of good people can make bad choices, but it doesnt make them bad people.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

Yes, he is a shit bag who made a bad choice in a moment of drinking, not an excuse - but a fact. Would he EVER do this when sober?

Personally, i dont think i would end my marriage over this - but this is also dependant on how he is acting right now, and whether he is willing to put in the work to fix the issues hes created.

I've been through similar, and we are still together and if anything - happier than ever. My inbox is always open should you need an impartial ear to vent too x

Thank you. I’m so appreciative of such a level response. I’m just so hurt currently. It looks bloody awful on the video. Awful. So intimate. Really intense.

He’s saying all the right things. I’ve been trying to arrange couple therapy for years but he didn’t engage. We’re not good at communicating. He’s saying he will do it now and he’s being more honest with me than ever, probably, about lots of things. I know he wants to work it out, he’s following my lead, but I’m just so shocked by it at the moment that I can’t see the way to go. I also hate having to be the one to decide everything. I know I don’t have to make a decision at the moment but I hate this limbo stage.

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:52

notofsoundmind · 22/04/2024 10:47

I would ditch them both

This was my instantaneous feeling. I don’t know if it’s knee-jerk or impractical. And it somehow doesn’t feel right to ditch one and not the other. Ugh.

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Mamoun · 22/04/2024 10:55

You don't have to make a decision now. Tell him you need some time to process everything and ask him to arrange couple therapy. He should follow your lead but also take the lead to some extent.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:57

Didsomeonesaydogs · 22/04/2024 10:49

Your DH needs to get to the root of why he allowed this to happen if you are ever to trust him again.

Sorry is as sorry does. How is he proposing to fix this?

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

I don’t want to put limitations on someone’s life though. That feels wrong. I want the two closest people to me to have controlled themselves.

In our early days there was some cheating on his part, when we were very young and hadn’t been together very long, but I never thought it would happen again after marriage and babies and not with my friend. I only found out about the early stuff years later.

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

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anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:57

Give yourself the time and space to take all of this in, to feel what you feel.
You find yourself in the position that many wont - being able to actually see the infidelity. My advice would be to delete the footage - whether you stay or leave, neither will be better if your able to access the footage and watch it with such detail.

Any moment right now you will hate, because its not what you choose. You have a strange sort of freedom here, to do and feel whatever you want without explanation. You will cycle through so many emotions in these coming weeks so just roll with them, tell him what you need him to do (whether that be do bath time because your not feeling it, or he needs to sort dinner tonight etc) and give yourself time and space to heal fromt he initial shock.

You won't find your answer on here unfortunately my dear, or anytime soon i imagine. It took me around 2 months to acknowledge i wanted to save my relationship.

Then is when you start to think about how this can happen (if you choose to) But for now, be kind to yourself x

Codlingmoths · 22/04/2024 10:57

The therapy will help anyway whatever you decide so tell him to arrange it.

CaraMiaMonCher · 22/04/2024 11:00

What exactly was he crying about? Seems odd for a grown man to cry so easily in the presence of his wife’s best friend without there being some pretty deep drunken conversation first, OR an already well established emotional intimacy between the two of them?

KittyCollar · 22/04/2024 11:02

I think once a cheat always a cheat or at least the ability to do it. I’d certainly view him differently. As for the mate, she can fuck right off.

piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:03

My husband left me for my best friend. They had been having an affair for some time so (I hope that it was) a different situation to yours.
However the double hurt of it was unbearable. If anything I was more upset by her betrayal than his. So I sympathise with you hugely. It's excruciating to have two people you love do you over and it makes you question yourself and everything else.

My cynical self would question whether this was a one off-it seems a bit intense (as you describe it) for there to have been no preamble to this at all. What was your husband crying about and why is he secure enough to do it with your friend? That doesn't seem quite right in itself. You would think you would suss it when this type of stuff begins-but in so many cases, and certainly mine, I had no idea at all.

I appreciate that my experience probably makes me more wary and less believing of the explanation but I would be digging a bit further I think.

Sparklfairy · 22/04/2024 11:04

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:57

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

I don’t want to put limitations on someone’s life though. That feels wrong. I want the two closest people to me to have controlled themselves.

In our early days there was some cheating on his part, when we were very young and hadn’t been together very long, but I never thought it would happen again after marriage and babies and not with my friend. I only found out about the early stuff years later.

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

He could (should?) do all of those things anyway. The way you've written it (and my interpretation could be wrong), it's like he will do those things if you get over it. Which means, as you've said, it's you putting limitations on his life to right his wrong... Personally I think it would mean more if it all came from him regardless of what you decided to do re your marriage - that would mean he was showing willing rather than paying a penance you chose iyswim.

And IMO yes, it is cheating. They had an intimate cuddle, they danced, they kissed, they both rewrote history and minimised until you revealed you had hard proof. How can it not be cheating?

piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:05

And yes I do see it as cheating to answer your question. Your h kissed and seemingly was emotionally intimate with another woman. That would be cheating whether it's your friend or not.

IncompleteSenten · 22/04/2024 11:06

"The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar."

Or
Maybe there's more to this than what you saw and he has been worried alcohol may loosen her tongue.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:08

CaraMiaMonCher · 22/04/2024 11:00

What exactly was he crying about? Seems odd for a grown man to cry so easily in the presence of his wife’s best friend without there being some pretty deep drunken conversation first, OR an already well established emotional intimacy between the two of them?

I’m not totally sure. Stress, both lost their mums a year or two ago (this was told to me in a way that suggested I was morally obliged to forgive).

Thinking about it now, there’s been lots of times she has vied for his attention. It just never occurred to me not to trust them.

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:11

Sparklfairy · 22/04/2024 11:04

He could (should?) do all of those things anyway. The way you've written it (and my interpretation could be wrong), it's like he will do those things if you get over it. Which means, as you've said, it's you putting limitations on his life to right his wrong... Personally I think it would mean more if it all came from him regardless of what you decided to do re your marriage - that would mean he was showing willing rather than paying a penance you chose iyswim.

And IMO yes, it is cheating. They had an intimate cuddle, they danced, they kissed, they both rewrote history and minimised until you revealed you had hard proof. How can it not be cheating?

You’re right. This post is exactly it. It did feel like it was conditional on forgiveness.

At first he said, though had retracted this and apologised, that I was only entitled to his comfort if he was able to remain my husband.

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piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:11

Yes to @IncompleteSenten. My h used to be very alarmed when I went out with my friend-think he was worried she would give them away.
And worse still she was in absolute bits when she and I went to a festival and she kissed some random man. Begging me to not to tell anyone 'not even h' as she was so ashamed etc etc. It wasn't that. It was that she didn't want my h to know that she had effectively cheated on him during their affair. The panic she was showing about it was totally out of proportion-I found it odd at the time, but she was going through her own divorce so I just put it down to her feeling weird about that.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:12

CaraMiaMonCher · 22/04/2024 11:00

What exactly was he crying about? Seems odd for a grown man to cry so easily in the presence of his wife’s best friend without there being some pretty deep drunken conversation first, OR an already well established emotional intimacy between the two of them?

an already well established emotional intimacy between the two of them

This is my fear. And it’s feeding my pain.

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bracemyselfagain · 22/04/2024 11:12

Thing is ...
it was denied until you said you'd seen the footage ... sounds like they're more sorry they got caught ...

AllBlackEverything · 22/04/2024 11:12

On the face of it, I probably would not end my marriage based on a six minute interaction and a kiss.

However, I would be thinking very hard and asking a lot of further questions regarding WHY he was crying, WHY he felt comfortable enough to do so in front of your friend, WHY is he usually "twitchy" about you going out with this friend. Because once you pull on those threads, a whole lot more might unravel. Or it might not. But you need to ask those questions and get answers to your satisfaction.

piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:13

'There's been lots of times she has vied for his attention'. And here is where it's torture. You will now go back to times you have all been together and things that have been said or done that seemed innocuous and start to see them differently. It's awful.

MoonWoman69 · 22/04/2024 11:14

I was also wondering why your husband was crying to your best friend?! I have a relationship with my best friend, pretty much like yours, but there is absolutely no way my husband would be "crying" on her shoulder over anything! Do you think the crying could be an excuse to reflect what actually was going on?
Either way, they have both betrayed you and massively overstepped boundaries.
From this point on, you need to decide what you want to happen. You've already ditched the friend, which I would have done too, to be honest. Now it's down to how you feel about your husband. From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your relationship was particularly good as it was?
I don't hold with the "once a cheater, always a cheater" usually, but in this case I'm not so sure.
I'm hoping whatever you choose to do, you put yourself and your children first in this. You call the shots from now on.
Wishing you luck in whatever you decide to do 🌷

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