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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

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piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:14

Neither of them has any business in putting you in this position.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:14

bracemyselfagain · 22/04/2024 11:12

Thing is ...
it was denied until you said you'd seen the footage ... sounds like they're more sorry they got caught ...

Yes. I asked why neither of them thought to mention such a profound moment of upset to me the following morning.

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HappyFitnessQueen · 22/04/2024 11:16

@Totalfuckingshitshow I think you need to find someone in real life that you can trust and talk to. There is nothing about this situation, or your DH's reaction that sounds promising in any way. This must be absolute torture for you and this is really only the start of it. Can you think of someone whose opinion you respect and value that might be able to support you?

wheo · 22/04/2024 11:18

His comments about her "leading you astray" are telling as well.

He fancies her, and has a disdain for her because she gets male attention.

Sorry OP.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:20

AllBlackEverything · 22/04/2024 11:12

On the face of it, I probably would not end my marriage based on a six minute interaction and a kiss.

However, I would be thinking very hard and asking a lot of further questions regarding WHY he was crying, WHY he felt comfortable enough to do so in front of your friend, WHY is he usually "twitchy" about you going out with this friend. Because once you pull on those threads, a whole lot more might unravel. Or it might not. But you need to ask those questions and get answers to your satisfaction.

I think this is what I need to find out. I just know I won’t get a straight answer though. It feels like they both wanted damage limitation as I confronted them both, separately, and asked for honesty before revealing my hand. I didn’t get it.

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Shetlands · 22/04/2024 11:20

I would ditch the 'friend' forever but give the husband chance to redeem himself and save your family. He'd have to guarantee never to see her again and agree to relationship counselling.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:22

HappyFitnessQueen · 22/04/2024 11:16

@Totalfuckingshitshow I think you need to find someone in real life that you can trust and talk to. There is nothing about this situation, or your DH's reaction that sounds promising in any way. This must be absolute torture for you and this is really only the start of it. Can you think of someone whose opinion you respect and value that might be able to support you?

Thank you. Yes I do have someone. I’ve actually approached her this morning and she’s being amazing. She was the third friend in our trio.

I’m so grateful for the wisdom on here.

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FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 22/04/2024 11:23

At the end of the day he has a wife to talk to if he’s upset.

You dont get to do this just because your mum dies we all lose parents. It’s not carte blanch to act badly.

SpringleDingle · 22/04/2024 11:24

I'd call it cheating and I would end my relationship over this. I am very unforgiving. I would also not do this. There were choices he made here. Bad choices. He didn't trip and his lips fall on hers. He chose to stay up with her, to drink with her, to hug her, to dance with her and to kiss her. No forgive and forget from me!

CaraMiaMonCher · 22/04/2024 11:25

How come it was your turn to get up with the baby the next day?

You’d think with your best friend in town your H would have been on baby duty, so you could have been the one to stop up late into the night drinking with your BFF?
Do you alternate wake ups with H or is it an ad hoc thing?

This part might be entirely innocent or even your doing, but I’d just have a think back if there was any possible pre-meditation or set up in it falling on your day to wake up with the baby, allowing them to stop up drinking together?

I disagree with the PP who said to delete the video. I wouldn’t have it easily accessible so that you keep watching it, as the shock and revulsion each time is going to cloud your emotions and flood you too much to be able to think sensibly and calmly, but I would download a copy from your cctv app and email it to yourself and then file it in the darkest recesses of your email inbox. Then if anyone starts to minimise, or you start to soften towards them and start gaslighting yourself that it wasn’t so bad, etc then you have a copy there that you can go back and watch to shore up your defences again.

Sparklfairy · 22/04/2024 11:26

At first he said, though had retracted this and apologised, that I was only entitled to his comfort if he was able to remain my husband.

This is awful. He's in no position to make demands. I'll only do x if you do y for me!? fuck that noise.

RenoDakota · 22/04/2024 11:28

Couldn't be doing with any of this and would absolutely ditch them both.

piscofrisco · 22/04/2024 11:30

I'm glad your mutual friend has been supportive op. It's invaluable, you will need someone who knows you all to be on your side if it comes to it.

Nicebloomers · 22/04/2024 11:31

Ugh what a betrayal. In many ways it’s easier if they’ve shagged. You can’t really go back from that but this half-way house makes things more confusing.

I agree with previous posters who have questioned his reaction of ‘twitchy’ when you and the ‘friend’ go out. I think you need to ditch the friend for sure but the husband I’m 50/50. Couples counselling will hopefully help establish how unreasonable it is for him to put the pressure on you to get over it. Maybe you will decide at the end to dump him anyway, who knows. I think it’s worth exploring.

My fear in your shoes is that you get rid of the friend and in retaliation she makes a firm move on DH. They clearly have established emotional intimacy. Then again it’s handy when the trash takes itself out. Big hugs OP

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:32

Ugh what a betrayal. In many ways it’s easier if they’ve shagged. You can’t really go back from that but this half-way house makes things more confusing.

Nail. On. The. Head. @Nicebloomers

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MILTOBE · 22/04/2024 11:37

I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw them and what's more, I think this has been going on for quite a while. He clearly admires her but I don't think he was worried about you picking up someone when you went out, but that she would.

I don't believe in coincidences so don't believe that that was the first time they had hugged and kissed, at the very very least.

They are obviously communicating about this in some way. I would want to see those messages, though imagine he's been deleting them like mad.

Interesting it was your turn to get up in the morning when it was your friend who was visiting. That really isn't the way most couples work, that the husband stays up late talking to the friend while the wife has to go to bed early.

BoobBounce · 22/04/2024 11:39

If my DH did this I’d absolutely rip his balls off, but I wouldn’t end it straight away. If he’d slept with her I would. What’s important here is what YOU want. If he’s prepared to make it up to you, and some, including counselling, I’d give it a try.

WRT your friend. Hmm, with friends like this who needs enemies. I would rip her head off, and make sure everyone knew she likes to daly with her friends husband and family. Not blaming her more, they are both equally to blame.

She’s beautiful and clever, and thinks she can have any man? No, she’s actually immature, vain and selfish, with no regard for the security of your DC. If she can have any man, why hasn’t she got one then?

My question to you is, is this the first time? What about other visits. It seems like they know each other a bit more than you thought. You need to get all the info before you proceed.

I’d tell your DH you want full disclosure now, and if you find out any more info, that’s he’s lying, he’s out the door immediately. Also ask your other friend if she’s heard anything about your DH and family destroyer.

SheSellsSea · 22/04/2024 11:40

I’m going to be very honest here in case it helps. Is your friend single?

I am single (divorced) and quite a few of my friends’ husband sometimes suggest a kind of accelerated emotional intimacy with me. I don’t take them up on it, but for instance one of my closest mum friend’s husbands suddenly leant in and kissed me after we’d all been walking back from something with our kids. Kind of like a cheek kiss but more. He’s not a cheater, but there’s something about being single, men are just interested. I can feel it available there but I don’t do it. But I can sense the power I have.

I think you need to ditch your friend and keep your H. Yes, it’s cheating, but it’s easy to do if a woman is inclined to offer and tap in to the vulnerability of the men around. Your H sounds like he needs to talk to you a lot more.

SheSellsSea · 22/04/2024 11:41

What I mean is they don’t necessarily have an established intimacy.

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 22/04/2024 11:43

If it was nothing, they would of been honest not wait till they got caught out.

I would never speak to the "friend" again and I'd make the husband work very very very hard to prove its worth staying in your marriage. If he was upset why didn't he speak to his wife? It doesn't ring true.

alrightluv · 22/04/2024 11:45

What a mess.
I agree have couples therapy even if it's just to help make the split smoother.

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/04/2024 11:46

My DH was approached by a woman guest at our house many years ago, he told me immediately. They didn’t kiss or anything but she made an absolute play for him. She messaged him after as well, which again he showed me straight away. Like your friend she is very beautiful. She was invited for my birthday, she lives hundreds of miles away in the area I grew up in and my local friends commented on how flirty she was with DH.

You cut off the friend immediately and then you calm down and think over the next few weeks if your marriage is worth saving. She approached him as seen on the footage but he did not tell you plus he could have pulled away.

I would try couples counselling first.

EG94 · 22/04/2024 11:47

I’d be inclined to agree with not being too hasty but he lied to you. You asked him and he said nothing happened. You wouldn’t have known if it wasn’t for CCTV so what else could / would happen if he thought it was ok to lie about it in the first place. For me the lie is bigger trust breaker than getting off with my best mate.

alrightluv · 22/04/2024 11:50

@EG94 spot on. The lie is worse.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:55

SheSellsSea · 22/04/2024 11:40

I’m going to be very honest here in case it helps. Is your friend single?

I am single (divorced) and quite a few of my friends’ husband sometimes suggest a kind of accelerated emotional intimacy with me. I don’t take them up on it, but for instance one of my closest mum friend’s husbands suddenly leant in and kissed me after we’d all been walking back from something with our kids. Kind of like a cheek kiss but more. He’s not a cheater, but there’s something about being single, men are just interested. I can feel it available there but I don’t do it. But I can sense the power I have.

I think you need to ditch your friend and keep your H. Yes, it’s cheating, but it’s easy to do if a woman is inclined to offer and tap in to the vulnerability of the men around. Your H sounds like he needs to talk to you a lot more.

She’s not single, no. But her relationship is weird. Very long term and he shows little to no interest in her. She sort of exists in the same place as him because that’s kind of all they’ve known.

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