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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
CantGetDecentNickname · 22/04/2024 14:32

Fraaahnces · 22/04/2024 13:39

So let me get this right…
Your relationship wasn’t valuable enough to work on when YOU were asking for it?
He’s crying with and snogging your BF?
Your relationship suddenly becomes valuable when you catch him at it….? *With someone he’s actively attempted to dissuade you from hanging out with???

This has been going on for ages. Bin them both. He just doesn’t want to deal with the fallout from being the cheating bastard “bad guy.”

I agree with the above. It is the familiarity you described in your OP that makes it look as though this is something that has been going on some time.

To quote from canyouletthedogoutplease · Today 13:36

"Go to her house unannounced when you know you'll catch her in. Calmly tell her that your DH has told you everything and you'd like to hear her version of events. Say little, leave long silcences that she will be tempted to fill, and see what you get out of her. Leave. That's your friendship over with her whatever she says."

I would do this as it may help answer the question as to just how far it has gone. In any event, your feelings are completely valid. If it feels like cheating to you then it is cheating to you. Being betrayed by a close friend makes it even worse. I keep thinking that if my DH cried in front of any of my friends, they would give him a pat on the shoulder and then come and fetch me. Their story doesn't add up. (Could you tell if he was crying on the CCTV? I really question that bit.)

I'd recommend doing the usual MN recommendation of quietly gathering all documents (earnings, pensions, mortgage/rent, savings, debts) and having a session with a solicitor to find out how you would manage if you did split and to not let him know. I'd then sit back and wait to see what he does to try to remedy the situation by arranging counselling sessions etc. I'd go along with it as if nothing else, it could help you make a decision. No need to rush into anything. If you do decide to try again you can change your mind any any time if you want to.

DrJoanAllenby · 22/04/2024 14:37

I think something has happened previously hence him not liking you going out with just her as he doesn't want to hear you talk about the men she's chatted to.

I think they may have had a thing going on but one or both agreed to stop because of you but the feelings and emotions are still there.

The incident the other night showed they are both still sad they can't be together.

A rotten situation for you but you have been incredibly strong and are admirable in saying you won't tolerate their intimacy.

AsMyGranWouldSay · 22/04/2024 14:38

Sorry to read this OP, I can imagine how painful it feels.

Thing is, being sad, grieving or being drunk isn't in any way a mitigating factor.

Either he was so blind drunk he didn't know what was happening, in which case she'd have had to pin him down and/or he'd have been falling about, so the footage would have looked more like a messy snog and not an intimate moment.

OR, he was indeed very sad (or not) and did know what he was doing, and went along with it because he wanted to and is only sad now they've been caught.

I wouldn't normally abandon a relationship over one mistake. But I'm not sure this was mistake. I guess the truth will out.

One thing I do know is that if you let this go without very serious consequences for him it will most likely happen again.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 22/04/2024 14:38

It's the lying, guilt tripping and lack of apology that to me would be worse than this particular betrayal. What is your husband doing to fix things and trying to make it up to you?

Blondiebeachbabe · 22/04/2024 14:38

that I was only entitled to his comfort if he was able to remain my husband

He sounds like a psychopath. In what way is this a normal response?!

Rania78 · 22/04/2024 14:42

Terrible people both of them. I am not sure I would forgive him If he disrespected me in my own house. Yes I know there are kids but…

By the way ladies…I don’t know If you will agree with me but I am of the opinion that each acquaintance/friend should be placed in certain box. I have a “friend” like this. Throwing herself at men, cheating on her husband etc. I only use her to go out for drinks and have fun and meet men. I wouldn’t bring her to my house to stay and once I have a serious relationship I will cut her off. Treat people the way the deserve and make sure you keep good people as your real friends. Don’t bring these kind of women into your family.

Rewis · 22/04/2024 14:43

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

Mya again issue is this. He is basically putting everything on you. All the emotional labour to fix it. You have to give him rules and tasks and he will follow. Not scrusllg putting in any effort. He should be telling you what he intends to do (I will stop drinking, I will go to personal counseling, I will organise couples counseling for us).

Blondiebeachbabe · 22/04/2024 14:46

How long does your CCTV save for? I'd be viewing the footage for any other nights in the past, when your "friend" was visiting.

Mom2K · 22/04/2024 14:49

So she is known to be a big flirt/is an attention seeker - and your DH thought it would be ok to have her stay in your house and spend alone time with her after you went to bed? 🤨

He doesn't trust you to not act like her and then allows this to happen? Yes, it is the height of hypocrisy. Drinking is no excuse, he shouldn't have allowed the circumstances in the first place.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

I think it is indeed worth ending the marriage, and the friendship. This 6 minute incident is no small thing. I think it will forever shift the dynamic of the relationship going forward if it continues. I don't see how OP could ever trust that he wouldn't repeat this behaviour...and the hypocrisy of it would be difficult to get over. I could never respect him going forward. The fact he put himself in that situation at all would forever have me viewing him as an idiot with double standards. And the fact it happened at all is hurtful enough but for it to occur with my friend would be too much. But that's just how I would feel about it all, everyone is different. But for me, this would be over.

lojantoio · 22/04/2024 14:54

notofsoundmind · 22/04/2024 10:47

I would ditch them both

Same here

emmypa · 22/04/2024 14:57

So sorry you are going through this. As others said, my first thought was that this probably wasn't their first intimate encounter. Neither one of them were honest about it after the fact which doesn't bode well either. What are the chances that the first time you went looking, you caught them? Also, was there any indication from the tape that your DH was upset about something? It all sounds like excuses. Your DH seems to have very little respect for you, doing what he did while you were in the same house even. Take your time deciding, but for me, the trust would be gone regardless. And keep a copy of the tape in case you need it later.

walnutcoffeecake · 22/04/2024 15:01

Divorce end of done no turning back.
Get away with in once they tend to do it again.

itsmylife7 · 22/04/2024 15:02

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:57

Whatever I want. Therapy, stopping drinking, total honesty, starting over…

I don’t want to put limitations on someone’s life though. That feels wrong. I want the two closest people to me to have controlled themselves.

In our early days there was some cheating on his part, when we were very young and hadn’t been together very long, but I never thought it would happen again after marriage and babies and not with my friend. I only found out about the early stuff years later.

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

onec a cheat alway a cheat. What a pair of arseholes.

Fingeronthebutton · 22/04/2024 15:07

Didsomeonesaydogs · 22/04/2024 10:49

Your DH needs to get to the root of why he allowed this to happen if you are ever to trust him again.

Sorry is as sorry does. How is he proposing to fix this?

He was drunk, it happens.

OP. It will be tough but you and your husband can get through it.

Pookerrod · 22/04/2024 15:07

Personally, I probably couldn’t get past this. You can’t unsee what you have seen. I can understand why it makes you feel sick to your stomach.

The hardest part for me would be the lying. Had you not had a security camera they would still be gaslighting you. I couldn’t live with that.

However, all that said, I wouldn’t be rushing to make a decision about ending my marriage. If I was in your shoes, I hope that I would take my time, try to see if I could get past it, and review my feelings in 6 months or so. But that is very theoretical and much easier said than done.

I do wish you all the best

Pookerrod · 22/04/2024 15:11

Pookerrod · 22/04/2024 15:07

Personally, I probably couldn’t get past this. You can’t unsee what you have seen. I can understand why it makes you feel sick to your stomach.

The hardest part for me would be the lying. Had you not had a security camera they would still be gaslighting you. I couldn’t live with that.

However, all that said, I wouldn’t be rushing to make a decision about ending my marriage. If I was in your shoes, I hope that I would take my time, try to see if I could get past it, and review my feelings in 6 months or so. But that is very theoretical and much easier said than done.

I do wish you all the best

Oh, but I would definitely drop my friendship like a hot potato. She is no friend of yours.

Nicole1111 · 22/04/2024 15:14

You’re not being ott. They kissed. They betrayed your trust. They’ve built to an emotional intimacy. They hid what had happened from you. You’re well within rights to end both relationships. Only you know if you can rebuild trust.

Rania78 · 22/04/2024 15:15

Fingeronthebutton · 22/04/2024 15:07

He was drunk, it happens.

OP. It will be tough but you and your husband can get through it.

“He was drunk, it happens”.

I am 45, I have been drunk several times. It has never happened. And would mever happen unless I wanted to ie I got drunk to loosen up and do what I wanted to do for a long time

something2say · 22/04/2024 15:16

I think she is silly and likes the attention - and her own not very good relationship isn't right for her and she is thirsty for something more. She may find it easy to 'get' men, and she got drunk and massively over stepped to meet her needs, and now she has lost her best friend and made a terrible mistake.

I think he - he has kept secrets from you before now and he tried to keep this a secret, but it has come out and he is gutted. Let's see what he does next.

My worry is that they are a bit of a weak pair - she isn't sorting her life out and is using her looks to meet her needs, and now what has she done? A big mistake this time. Is she the sort to blame herself and own it? Or is she shallow and will offload it and bury the loss of you OP?

And him, he kept secrets from you before and he would have kept this a secret too - he has low integrity and is a bit weak. Is he good enough for you?

That's the crux of it - are these two good enough for you?

On the one hand, I would hate to be judged by my stupidest moment. I would hate to be forever reminded of my worst actions. It makes me find it easier to forgive others and overlook their stupidest moments.

On the other hand, I would ask myself why I made myself vulnerable to a weak man and had female friends who are not that bright really, not bright enough to self analyse.

But that's life. I myself am not always that bright. But I do try hard not to hurt others and I do act with integrity. It just makes me sigh with disappointment.

I think the man is not strong enough OP, to trust, to look at the same. Let's see. Hands off the steering wheel, let's see what he is made of.

As for your friend, she needs to take a long hard look. Are you going to talk to your friend in the middle? Find out how your ex best friend is feeling?

Just make sure you have money and safety created by yourself, just in case. I always say women need two things in life - friends and money. Make that, money.

Lassiata · 22/04/2024 15:24

Trust your instincts.

I would not be able to let my guard down with him again. So what's the point of a marriage?

Six minutes. He had time to snap back to reality long before six minutes.

And he said no when you asked him if something had happened.

He's a liar.

Namechange666 · 22/04/2024 15:27

I would ditch both 100%. Once my trust is broken, there is no going back.

Betrayal from them both.

He threw it away, not you.

BrotherViolence · 22/04/2024 15:29

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:20

I think this is what I need to find out. I just know I won’t get a straight answer though. It feels like they both wanted damage limitation as I confronted them both, separately, and asked for honesty before revealing my hand. I didn’t get it.

Honestly I would focus on why your gut feeling is that you won't get a straight answer. It isn't unreasonable that you feel that way, given that they initially tried to hide what had happened from you. Regardless of whether something had been going on between them before this, it doesn't bode well if you don't feel you can trust them, unfortunately.

AlwaysGinPlease · 22/04/2024 15:29

notofsoundmind · 22/04/2024 10:47

I would ditch them both

This. Unforgivable betrayal from both of them.

VividZebra · 22/04/2024 15:34

Your post makes me angry on your behalf. A long time ago my husband went off with someone else and took this decision out of my hands by ending our marriage. I spent a year flailing around trying to persuade him to come back to me and our two teenage kids. If anyone ever cheated on me again (and your H has cheated, absolutely) I'd move on from the relationship unquestionably. You are absolutely doing the right thing, painful as this must be for you. The sooner he is out of your house, the better. I hope you have your mum close by, and some good friends (ironically, given the horrible double betrayal you've suffered). The betrayal is painful beyond words. A good therapist can help you and also a lawyer. Please protect your finances above all.

Jl2014 · 22/04/2024 15:36

I think they’re already having an affair. There is a degree of intimacy already. Maybe he gets guilty about it and that’s what their conv was about. Also the twitchiness when you’re out with her could be a) he’s worried she’ll get drunk and tell you or b) he’s worried she will pick up someone else and he’s jealous. Sadly may not be about you at all. It’s a hideous situation tho to not be able to get to the truth of it.

Whatever you do, ditch the friend.

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