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Would you leave it all behind for love

213 replies

grannysmyth · 09/04/2024 01:36

There’s a long story behind this, but I am curious to know what you would do.
if you had to give up your beloved little home, your financial security and comfort, the country you live in and have adopted happily as your own, for love - with someone who has demonstrated time and again that they love you and who you could see yourself having dc with, but who very struggles at times with their MH and is not well off financially - would you? For possibly true, once in a lifetime love?

I am not sure how much I can give up for the sake of love. But I am in my late 30s with some terribly unfulfilling relationships behind me and I know I would miss him terribly.

for various reasons, we cannot be together in this country and it is time limited.

wwyd?

OP posts:
grinandslothit · 09/04/2024 09:29

Why doesn't he move to you?

caringcarer · 09/04/2024 09:29

You say he had an abusive childhood. Many people can't ever recover from that. I'm a Foster Carer and it is truly heartbreaking to see the damage done to some DC when they are still very young. It takes literally years and years of love and stability to overcome some of their issues. It sounds like this man has tried alcohol to wipe out his pain, then tried food for comfort but still craves being truly loved for himself. He says he values family over a career because he has not had a solid childhood base upon which to build. Don't rush into an intense relationship. Only you know if you love him or not. I wouldn't worry about alcohol if he's been 5 years sober. In the past he's just been searching for love and used substitutes like alcohol and food when he couldn't find it.

Illpickthatup · 09/04/2024 10:29

So he says he doesn't work because he values family time over money? But he doesn't have any kids? Sounds like a bullshit excuse for being lazy to be honest.

I value family time over money too but unfortunately my kids can't eat family time and the bank won't accept " family time" as a mortgage payment.

It sounds like he needs to get his shit together before he even entertains the idea of dating someone.

Filamumof9 · 09/04/2024 11:14

I moved with my DH to his country of origin. Despite knowing him for many many years, it was hard to adapt. You have so many red flags, you don't really want to move to that country as well, I would not do it. You really need to want to make the move for yourself as well, not out of fear of loosing him.

Wakemeup17 · 09/04/2024 11:35

Meadowfinch · 09/04/2024 02:02

No.

If you have children abroad, with someone who then wishes to stay there, you may not be allowed to leave with your children. You may be forced to stay, and if he divorces you, you may not be able to work and support yourself.

And you have a history of making poor choices with men.

The risk would be too great for me.

As someone being stuck in the country I hate because of a child, I second this.
Never move for love.

grannysmyth · 09/04/2024 13:42

This partly got sparked because yesterday I found out he’d been keeping a secret from me (only that he met up with his ex wife when he was on holiday, they have family in the same area, but it was a secret nonetheless and he had been saying a lot lately about not knowing if he can trust me which was clearly projection, he admitted that and apologised a lot, he said he hasn’t been sleeping or eating right since he came back 3 weeks ago.) Anyway I was a bit angry about it all as we’ve had some arguments about this trust thing recently. And at one point he was like “fuck you” to me which sort of shocked me. And he intoned that he might go round my ex H house to ask if we had met up. He swears he won’t do that but anyway it was not a nice interlude. I walked off after he swore at me then he literally ran after me. I walked off again, ran after me. Apologising, saying I love you so much, etc, it was all an intense scene and I felt like I was wasting time with this intensity in my life as it interferes with my work and general well being.

alongside this, I do see the red flags. He has previously said if I am ‘materialistic’ I shouldn’t be with him because he’s not like that and he can’t provide the same way my exH did. He is judgy about people who are career/money focused and he says he hates when people ask ‘what do you do?’ As it places too much importance on your career in terms of your worth. I don’t think that’s offensive though, it’s just normal as most adults do work especially if they have no dc. He was also a bit judgy that I fought for 50/50 in my divorce even when it was complicated as he said no money should be worth going through that. I guess the subtext feels like, I know I would probably be the breadwinner if we were together and I’m not very rich. I think his ex W was the breadwinner though he claims his investments made more money than her well paid professional job and he won’t accept that despite him not working for a chunk of their marriage, she supported him financially. In that time he pursued his hobby but never in a marketable way, made no money or got recognition. But he says he doesn’t do it for that reason.

He seems to have no ambition really; he has been in my city for a few months and actually turned down a good job offer and he was saying if we move back together, he is going to do a masters in his creative hobby and work part time!! I could def see myself resenting that because it’s my hobby too but I have to work FT especially looking at property prices back home if I did move, expenses in the area I want would be easily 2k+ a month leaving aside saving and fun money and thatd be a chunk of my income if I was doing my job back there. It feels wrong that he hasn’t had a continuous job in literally about 15 years for more than a few months and he moved around so much. Realistically this won’t improve in his 40s. He says he wants a career in his hobby but it definitely doesn’t require a masters and he has not properly pursued that either.

I also think that he has a romanticised view of love (think rom coms) and his ex w didn’t want kids, so now he feels rushed due to his age but he has no experience with them. He wants to get married and move in and has been guilting me about missing me at night for months when we don’t stay together. He’s never lived on his own without a gf except for a few months when he was about 18.
tbf he is very domestic and I don’t worry about that. But i am fine at cooking and cleaning. He has a restrictive vegetarian diet which would prob even make cooking/eating less fun.

I am well aware I sound like I am talking myself out of it. Maybe I am!? I just love the place I live so much and I would probably never get to be here again. The idea of not being rung by him twice a day and not having to arrange my free time around us where we mainly talk about our relationship and lie in bed… it just feels freeing.

at the same time I would miss him terribly. I’m really afraid of that. He broke up with me 6 months ago but we couldn’t stay apart.

OP posts:
CalmConfident · 09/04/2024 13:55

Run!!!

Fourfurrymonsters · 09/04/2024 13:55

Oh gods OP, with every update from you he sounds worse and worse. Please, put him back. You say you want peace and stability. He is the polar opposite of peace and stability. He’s an infatuation, an addiction. I can almost guarantee that time apart from this manbaby would have your head out of the clouds within weeks and wondering wtaf you were thinking.

Illpickthatup · 09/04/2024 13:57

My god. He is a whole circus of red flags. Apart from "I love him" what exactly does he add to your life? What are his good characteristics?

Ultimately you are just not compatible. It sounds like he has an answer for everything. He actually sounds quite deluded.

isthismylifenow · 09/04/2024 13:58

DO NOT give up your financial and home security for a man.

DO NOT give up anything for this man OP.

Please read back your posts, pretend you are someone else and are reading it for the first time. I think maybe that might make you able to see things a little bit clearer.

MichaelatheMechanic · 09/04/2024 14:01

No

It sounds like you have the life that you want right here. You just to wait for the right man to come along to enhance that.

The fact that you are stalling and asking MN tells you he's not the right one. Listen to your gut feeling always.

grannysmyth · 09/04/2024 14:02

He’s kind and supportive, affectionate, very generous in bed, very available to me, he goes out of his way for other people such as his friends and family even though they live far away, he’s interesting and well read and funny, sense of adventure, quite charismatic. V different to my ex in a lot of ways but then I really valued that me and my ex had shared values on work, money and lifestyle. I never realised how important that type of stability was to me until I fell for an adult who doesn’t have a career/job or any structure in their life. Also, he isn’t transparent about how much his investments are worth, he implies it’s a lot but it feels too risky to not know, but he doesn’t like to talk about money.

OP posts:
MichaelatheMechanic · 09/04/2024 14:04

It's called compare and contrast. It helps you to focus on what is right for you.

Someone with a semi-decent career and work ethic is important to you. This bloke is not a good match.

CalmConfident · 09/04/2024 14:07

I doubt those investments are worth much…if indeed they exist at all.

Read all your own words, remove the romantic viewpoint and hopefully it will be clear.

BaconCozzers · 09/04/2024 14:19

You sound pretty put together op, and he really... doesn't. As I said before, this is your life, it's up to you to steer it the way you want. If you wanted to move countries for him you wouldn't be hesitating. You don't owe him anything.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/04/2024 14:36

@Lion400 that was a great poem.

OP, you know this isn't an option. Just blame MN and tell him.

Newestname002 · 09/04/2024 14:42

@grannysmyth

Almost all of your posts highlight why you should not give up everything you currently have, to move countries with this man. You've known him only a year but would put yourself at a disadvantage, financially and giving up your physical support network to be the breadwinner (your word) as his last partner was? And you have no transparency over his income?

If you did move to a Hague Convention country and had children with him you'd be stuck and couldn't move back home, with your children, without his permission until they were old enough to make that decision themselves.

And his attitude to money: children are expensive. How is he planning to cover that? And medical costs for all of you? And your/his pension savings? Will you be able to work before and after having children in this new country? And will he support you when you are on maternity leave?

You don't have to answer these questions here, OP. But you do need to ask them if yourself and weigh up what is best for YOU and any children in the future.

You have more to lose than to gain here from someone who's keen for you to move faster than is sensible. 🌹

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · 09/04/2024 14:47

No, no and no! Sorry OP but you don’t really know this man. You have known him less than a year. Also it seems he is love bombing you. Please be very careful. I got married to someone I knew less than a year it was a disaster later on.

PurpleBugz · 09/04/2024 14:52

Nope. I moved across country for love. I still love him he still loves me but it didn't work out. I regret moving immensely and moved back when we split. You can't know what it's like to live with someone before you and do relocating is such a risk if you haven't established you can live together.

I would never d'obit again

jenny38 · 09/04/2024 14:56

Jeez, he wants to move in together, but won't talk about money. Imagine how difficult that's going to be when you are paying all the bills, with no idea what he has. At the very least have that conversation with him now. But in all honesty I don't see this working out long term, with real grown up pressures.

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · 09/04/2024 15:14

IAmThe1AndOnly · 09/04/2024 04:47

I’d go one further and say run for the hills now and don’t look back.

A binge eating controlling possessive alcoholic with OCD and PTSD with no career prospects, no future, and whose only way to find a love is lovebomb someone because no woman in her right mind would go near him.

This isn’t love. I promise you it isn’t. And there’s no such thing as a once in a lifetime love.

Don’t uproot your life for this man, and don’t for the love of God have children with him that he can damage in the same way he is.

You’ll miss him now because you’re used to the attention, but absence is a great tool to forget.

Don’t move with him. End the relationship now and don’t look back.

And in three-six months time you’ll see just what an unhealthy dynamic this is.

This x 💯

Catoo · 09/04/2024 15:20

grannysmyth · 09/04/2024 02:44

I think the issues that concern me in no particular order-

Traumatic childhood (really bad DV) which has left him with diagnosed ptsd

He Is 5 years sober from 15+ years of alcoholism

He has a self confessed eating disorder (binge eating and anorexia) which sometimes relapses

Only one previous relationship, a long marriage that he left shortly before he met me, though I do believe they were both checked out for some time before

No children by early 40s, though he desperately wants them

Has 2 degrees but does not have a career in either sector and has previously only worked manual type jobs for any length of time - he’s super smart but I think he is a big underachiever. He says he’s not materialistic and prioritises family and life balance over a big career. But this is v diffferent to my exH where we both had good jobs and no real money issues

he is very emotionally intense, think tons of love letters, wanting to spend loads of time together, get married quickly etc. At times it is overwhelming and I question how it can be genuine- I’m just a normal person.

He is very controlled about things like cleaning and organising and I am more laid back.

With my ex I had a very comfortable life and no big worries but I think despite my love and tendernsss for this man our relationship could bring me new kinds of worries. Like having kids with a man without a career and decent earning potential scares me. And what if he relapsed into alcoholism or had a MH crisis… I don’t know if I’d cope. And I don’t want to resent him above all for having to give up my life that I generally love.

Red flag central.
It’s a no from me.

MiddleAgedDread · 09/04/2024 15:27

In a word......no!

theworldie · 09/04/2024 15:33

grannysmyth · 09/04/2024 03:57

I sometimes feel like love is his new addiction. He said he knew he loved me when he first saw me. It just doesn’t seem
healthy. things have also been up and down with us, he gets jealous of my ex and insecure about my feelings for him and he needs a lot of reassurance. He isn’t a calm person. I think that’s setting off my gut, as much as I love him and would miss him so much. I can’t imagine how he might handle having dc (which I really want.) He had such an abusive childhood it could be very challenging. And he has been hospitalised with panic attacks in the past and didn’t have a job for several years. He might want dc but what if it’s just too much in reality. I have a FT job, worked my whole life, I like holidays and a nice home and peace and stability.

Listen to your gut.

The love bombing is a massive red flag - he sounds very needy.

I think you’d be mad to leave your life behind for a man such as you’ve described - he sounds like the eternal victim - nothing is ever his fault.

He wants a mummy to look after him and he’s preying on your kindness.

northernlight20 · 09/04/2024 15:36

jeezzz, the more you update, the more red flags there are. i would definitely throw this one back, this man doesnt sound like a good man. of course they sometimes have good points, if they didnt, no one would ever fall for their nonsense.