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DP pulled back from affair and told me

205 replies

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 19:33

Sorry it's a bit long!

My DP works with a younger woman and when she started working there, about a year ago, he said her behaviour was overly flirty and attention seeking, both with him and with other blokes. He mentioned this to others also, and they agreed (he says). All her friends seem to be male incidentally (he says) I was not overly bothered, some people are just like that. She is married with young children.

He started talking about her daily. We were on holiday and she was messaging him early in the morning- about a work emergency (he says). I was annoyed at that. He started staying up late on WhatsApp. I was a bit concerned but he just said he was reading stuff his brother has sent him. I said it was a bit weird that she would message him on his personal number out of hours, rather than at work, he would shrug it off as that is what they all do at his work, which is true.

Before Christmas a mutual male friend of DP and this woman told DP she was splitting from her husband. She said to this friend and others at work that her husband had banned her from having coffee or lunch with blokes at work.

Last week DP said she's been seen looking dreadful and parks her car in a different place from before so she doesn't have to see anyone going in or out of the building.

This weekend he's been very stressed and down. He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention and to distract themselves from their own poor relationships. Specifically women from his work, and this woman in particular. He said he realised what she was up to ie wanting an affair, and that it would wreck his life if he did so, so he has pulled back from it and has distanced himself.

He said he told me all this in the hope it would make our relationship better. As we have been distant lately and he doesn't like it as he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman, and potentially him.

Over the last few days, more details emerged, like she said to him it was his indifference that made her interested (he'd asked why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke) and that was when he realised the contact had gone too far, she was being more than just flirty, and he started being distant, not replying to messages. This was about 2 months ago he says, so around the time her marriage difficulties were mentioned by the mutual friend.

I had a go at him when I got in from work today because I just don't know what to think. I knew something was off in the summer and now various things are popping into my head like why did his messages suddenly stop showing content on his lock screen, and other things like his lack of interest in sex.

He had a massive go at me after I got angry, saying all he wants is to make things better and that was the reason he told me, he didn't fuck her or touch her in any way, he is not attracted to her as he sees her for what she is (an attention seeking temptress presumably), he wouldn't have told me at all if there was something serious going on and I am being unfair giving him a hard time.

I just can't understand why he told me. If he realised he was getting into an inappropriate situation and stopped it surely that's that, why tell me? I can't compete with a 34 year old at 50 and I'm not going to try. I get he wants to make our relationship better as do I, but telling me he's nearly shagged someone is not helping at all.

I asked if he'd blocked her and he hasn't as she's stopped messaging now anyway so he feels he doesn't need to.

We've lived together for 6 years, both previously divorced, joint mortgage, no kids together, I've got 2 teenagers. Both work full time.. I'm not fat or unattractive but the other woman is much more attractive than me, from what I've seen of her, and throwing herself at him as well, wow.

Am I being unfair to him by being angry and not being sure how I feel about this yet?

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KestrelMoon · 27/02/2024 19:40

I think you were being a bit unfair, yeah. It sounds like he has confided in you that this woman is sexually harassing him at work and he is in the awkward position of having to still work with her. I think he expected you to believe and trust him, and perhaps support him to report her sexual harrassment to HR. Instead, you’ve made it all about your feelings and he is being treated like he is a cheater.

Horationor · 27/02/2024 19:47

I think it's a case of whatever he had done would be wrong.
If he hadn't told you and it came out in few months time you would be suspicious.

I think it's good he's been open and upfront. Personally I would prefer this.

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 19:48

Sorry op but you may find there was more going on and her husband has found out and he is worried the husband is going to tell you. So he has told you a tale to discredit this woman just in case. Suggesting she comes on to all men and she is flirty etc. I suspect more has happened as he is clearly making her sound like the bad guy.

At the very least it’s an emotional affair. However it could be physical. Cheaters lie. They then minimise and lie a bit more. They lie by omission too. As light is shone on the truth they trickle out the bare minimum as they feel they deserve to know more than you. They like controlling your knowledge and take away your consent and ability to make informed decisions.

Him getting cross shows he isn’t remorseful or even aware of what damage he has done.

Read ‘not just friends’ by Shirley Glass - it’s not a long read.

But trickle truth is normal and I would want to restore his phone if possible - he will have deleted everything.

Also read the cheaters handbook and see if any of the behaviour matches what he was doing.

If you are confident enough I would contact her husband and find out what he knows, but DO NOT tell your husband. This helps in two ways 1) you will possibly find out if there was more going on with your husband or another man (this would in fact validate your husbands story) if the office temptress has many a man on the go (I doubt it) 2) You will quickly find out if the women and your husband are still speaking.

Hello87abc · 27/02/2024 19:49

Your out of order I’m afraid, he’s done the right thing and told you what’s going on and how it’s making him feel and you’ve treat him like the bad guy. Fair play that he’s told you about this

alwaystired42 · 27/02/2024 19:56

I think your DH is being naive to think he can tell you he’s been enjoying the attention of another woman, which could’ve led to him having an affair, and expecting you to be grateful that it never, and for it to make the relationship better, as it does sound like he’s also been inappropriate, or at least not completely shut it down when he suspected she was interested in him… Having said that, he’s obviously been open and told you, so it ultimately comes down to whether you trust that nothing happened, and how you move forward.
You’re not wrong to be angry, after all he didn’t tell you at the time, It seems like he’s wanting a big pat on the back for resisting temptation, but he needs to understand the bombshell he’s dropped on you. I would be hurt too OP.

Couldntgiveafunk · 27/02/2024 20:00

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 19:48

Sorry op but you may find there was more going on and her husband has found out and he is worried the husband is going to tell you. So he has told you a tale to discredit this woman just in case. Suggesting she comes on to all men and she is flirty etc. I suspect more has happened as he is clearly making her sound like the bad guy.

At the very least it’s an emotional affair. However it could be physical. Cheaters lie. They then minimise and lie a bit more. They lie by omission too. As light is shone on the truth they trickle out the bare minimum as they feel they deserve to know more than you. They like controlling your knowledge and take away your consent and ability to make informed decisions.

Him getting cross shows he isn’t remorseful or even aware of what damage he has done.

Read ‘not just friends’ by Shirley Glass - it’s not a long read.

But trickle truth is normal and I would want to restore his phone if possible - he will have deleted everything.

Also read the cheaters handbook and see if any of the behaviour matches what he was doing.

If you are confident enough I would contact her husband and find out what he knows, but DO NOT tell your husband. This helps in two ways 1) you will possibly find out if there was more going on with your husband or another man (this would in fact validate your husbands story) if the office temptress has many a man on the go (I doubt it) 2) You will quickly find out if the women and your husband are still speaking.

I agree with this. Someone has threatened to tell you what’s been going on behind your back, and he’s now scrambling for a cover story.

PingvsPong · 27/02/2024 20:03

Couldntgiveafunk · 27/02/2024 20:00

I agree with this. Someone has threatened to tell you what’s been going on behind your back, and he’s now scrambling for a cover story.

Agreed. Sorry OP.
The WhatsApp, hiding messages etc he's not nipped in the bud ASAP has he?

manipulatrice · 27/02/2024 20:04

@FairyMaclary has taken the words right out of my mouth.

He's trying to control the narrative and paint her as the big bad temptress. She is of course at fault equally if they have, but that's not what he wants you to think currently as is throwing her under the bus.

Speak to the ex husband.

usagisan · 27/02/2024 20:05

His story sounds quite calculated to me... the talking about her constantly and changing phone settings is quite indicative of something, and he's now trying to make her sound crazy while he's an asexual saint? Don't make any rash decisions or lose control, as his story is not impossible, but don't just accept what he's said as true... aspects being accurate, such as her being unstable, make it much easier to lie. I had an affair when I was younger, so speaking from experience, to my shame.

Edit - Xpost with various others as am being slow. @FairyMaclary's view is plausible to me.

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:08

KestrelMoon · 27/02/2024 19:40

I think you were being a bit unfair, yeah. It sounds like he has confided in you that this woman is sexually harassing him at work and he is in the awkward position of having to still work with her. I think he expected you to believe and trust him, and perhaps support him to report her sexual harrassment to HR. Instead, you’ve made it all about your feelings and he is being treated like he is a cheater.

The thing is that when he first mentioned the overly flirty behaviour I did support him, and suggested him having a word with managers as it was bordering on harassment, I thought. He didn't do anything. If she was a male doing that to me I would have complained. He hadn't complained about it again though, so I thought it had settled down but it was the opposite.
I know that if I had confessed the same as he has, he would be gone already. I asked him how he would feel in my shoes and he said furious.

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FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:08

Interesting that others think you are out of order. I’ve worked in very male dominated environments for years and have watched similar situations play out. It’s boringly tedious.

If he has nothing to hide why not show you the messages at the time. ‘Wife, Laura is getting on my nerves, I’m worried about how to tell her to bugger off’.

Im not convinced - too much script present. I used to get hit on at work and it would make me cross (I’m there to work) and I told my partner about it immediately. I NEVER text these men from my personal phone. I didn’t go off sex, get daily mentionitis, stop messages appearing on my phone screen and act distantly. I’m not convinced he’s innocent. I certainly didn’t ask them ‘why are you interested in me?’ I wasn’t interested and I didn’t need the ego boost/ego kibbles. Surely if you are being harassed you don’t ask ‘why are you interested in me?’. You say ‘sorry Laura but I’m happily married and I am here to work’.

However if he is adamant that nothing went on then he is being sexually harassed by the woman so he needs to go to HR and report her. If he’s not so innocent he may have an excuse as to why that cannot happen.

LoveSandbanks · 27/02/2024 20:08

Stop comparing yourself to a vacuous 34 year old. I’m 55, I’m overweight and wrinkled but, holy shit, I’ve got more to offer my other half than some mad as a box of frogs woman from work. I’m wise, and funny, kind and loyal, I’m never EVER going to get pregnant again, I’ve a sense of humour honed over decades of life experience and I’m sure you’ve got all of that and more.

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:13

And at 55 women have a lot to offer people. Insight, wisdom, wit, experience, loyalty etc. I made a wicked friend a few years ago who is 25 years older than me. She’s bloody marvellous!

Surfapparel · 27/02/2024 20:15

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:08

Interesting that others think you are out of order. I’ve worked in very male dominated environments for years and have watched similar situations play out. It’s boringly tedious.

If he has nothing to hide why not show you the messages at the time. ‘Wife, Laura is getting on my nerves, I’m worried about how to tell her to bugger off’.

Im not convinced - too much script present. I used to get hit on at work and it would make me cross (I’m there to work) and I told my partner about it immediately. I NEVER text these men from my personal phone. I didn’t go off sex, get daily mentionitis, stop messages appearing on my phone screen and act distantly. I’m not convinced he’s innocent. I certainly didn’t ask them ‘why are you interested in me?’ I wasn’t interested and I didn’t need the ego boost/ego kibbles. Surely if you are being harassed you don’t ask ‘why are you interested in me?’. You say ‘sorry Laura but I’m happily married and I am here to work’.

However if he is adamant that nothing went on then he is being sexually harassed by the woman so he needs to go to HR and report her. If he’s not so innocent he may have an excuse as to why that cannot happen.

All of this. His behaviour from the time does not match the story he is telling you now. It isn't hard to guess why.

Mrsttcno1 · 27/02/2024 20:16

Surfapparel · 27/02/2024 20:15

All of this. His behaviour from the time does not match the story he is telling you now. It isn't hard to guess why.

Totally agree with this.

I imagine if you asked her, her version would be very different!

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:17

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 19:48

Sorry op but you may find there was more going on and her husband has found out and he is worried the husband is going to tell you. So he has told you a tale to discredit this woman just in case. Suggesting she comes on to all men and she is flirty etc. I suspect more has happened as he is clearly making her sound like the bad guy.

At the very least it’s an emotional affair. However it could be physical. Cheaters lie. They then minimise and lie a bit more. They lie by omission too. As light is shone on the truth they trickle out the bare minimum as they feel they deserve to know more than you. They like controlling your knowledge and take away your consent and ability to make informed decisions.

Him getting cross shows he isn’t remorseful or even aware of what damage he has done.

Read ‘not just friends’ by Shirley Glass - it’s not a long read.

But trickle truth is normal and I would want to restore his phone if possible - he will have deleted everything.

Also read the cheaters handbook and see if any of the behaviour matches what he was doing.

If you are confident enough I would contact her husband and find out what he knows, but DO NOT tell your husband. This helps in two ways 1) you will possibly find out if there was more going on with your husband or another man (this would in fact validate your husbands story) if the office temptress has many a man on the go (I doubt it) 2) You will quickly find out if the women and your husband are still speaking.

Yes that's the thing, that I wonder if there was something more and that's why he's told me this. I'm not sure I want to add fuel to the fire by contacting her husband as men can go crazy and I don't want to get involved with their marriage. DP has said go ahead phone her, phone him, you can see my phone etc as I was asking him how can I be sure what has actually gone on, do I call her etc.

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Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:19

LoveSandbanks · 27/02/2024 20:08

Stop comparing yourself to a vacuous 34 year old. I’m 55, I’m overweight and wrinkled but, holy shit, I’ve got more to offer my other half than some mad as a box of frogs woman from work. I’m wise, and funny, kind and loyal, I’m never EVER going to get pregnant again, I’ve a sense of humour honed over decades of life experience and I’m sure you’ve got all of that and more.

Wow what a great post! Thank you.

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Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:22

alwaystired42 · 27/02/2024 19:56

I think your DH is being naive to think he can tell you he’s been enjoying the attention of another woman, which could’ve led to him having an affair, and expecting you to be grateful that it never, and for it to make the relationship better, as it does sound like he’s also been inappropriate, or at least not completely shut it down when he suspected she was interested in him… Having said that, he’s obviously been open and told you, so it ultimately comes down to whether you trust that nothing happened, and how you move forward.
You’re not wrong to be angry, after all he didn’t tell you at the time, It seems like he’s wanting a big pat on the back for resisting temptation, but he needs to understand the bombshell he’s dropped on you. I would be hurt too OP.

Yes, you've summed up exactly how I feel. Like he can't see the effect this would have and can only see the good thing, the coming clean, and not the rest of it.

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Rania78 · 27/02/2024 20:23

I am not sure why women think they are over at 50-55. There are women this age who are more attractive than a 30 year old.
Actually I think that the younger generation is not as good looking as older generation. I am 45 and I do not feel old or unattractive at all and yes, I can compete with a 30 year old. I do look better than many of them. Stop believing the stories you are being sold by the media in order to buy creams and have plastic surgery (i do plead guilty to having botox though 😁).

LittleGreenDragons · 27/02/2024 20:25

Sorry op but you may find there was more going on and her husband has found out and he is worried the husband is going to tell you. So he has told you a tale to discredit this woman just in case. Suggesting she comes on to all men and she is flirty etc. I suspect more has happened as he is clearly making her sound like the bad guy.
I have to agree with this poster. Your husband has had an affair, at least an emotional one, and now he's turning it all on you. What a lovely man he is (not).

he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman
I mean... really?? He's threatening you (to behave) with that statement, you do realise that? Everything that goes wrong will now be your fault.

Usernamechange1234 · 27/02/2024 20:30

I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him! Totally agree with the poster saying it’s a cover story.

Sorry but I think there’s more to this!

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:33

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:08

Interesting that others think you are out of order. I’ve worked in very male dominated environments for years and have watched similar situations play out. It’s boringly tedious.

If he has nothing to hide why not show you the messages at the time. ‘Wife, Laura is getting on my nerves, I’m worried about how to tell her to bugger off’.

Im not convinced - too much script present. I used to get hit on at work and it would make me cross (I’m there to work) and I told my partner about it immediately. I NEVER text these men from my personal phone. I didn’t go off sex, get daily mentionitis, stop messages appearing on my phone screen and act distantly. I’m not convinced he’s innocent. I certainly didn’t ask them ‘why are you interested in me?’ I wasn’t interested and I didn’t need the ego boost/ego kibbles. Surely if you are being harassed you don’t ask ‘why are you interested in me?’. You say ‘sorry Laura but I’m happily married and I am here to work’.

However if he is adamant that nothing went on then he is being sexually harassed by the woman so he needs to go to HR and report her. If he’s not so innocent he may have an excuse as to why that cannot happen.

Yes, it was the "why are you interested" that made me angry because if it was just flirting why would you ask? And it was that part of what he told me that concerned me. All his colleagues use personal phones to contact each other and chat, so in itself thats not strange, but most of the others are men!

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FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:35

Don’t call her. If you contact anyone contact the husband. Your husband telling you to do it is also suspicious.

He will be swearing on the cats life next.

Men going crazy about cheating - yep that’s why you say ‘Laura, I’m married and not interested, please stop bothering me’. If a mad husband worries you you don’t ask his wife why she is interested.

I think there’s more to it. Him hopping around your living room saying phone her, phone her makes me doubt him more. He will have deleted everything. There’s nothing to see on his phone. Including the midnight holiday texts to his brother. Hence he offers you his phone.

Sometimes when they get caught the Romeo and Juliet love story turns into Romeo throwing Juliet under the bus while Juliet throws Romeo under the truck. This may be it in motion.

Call his bluff - say you expect him to email HR now and report her for sexual harassment. You want Blind copying in on the email.

Then if you are going to contact anyone Call the husband in private and apologise profusely but ask him if he is aware of anything going on. And she has already involved herself in your marriage according to your husband.

He said ‘he is sick of women coming onto him’ is this a regular occurrence? Does he mention this a lot? Or is this new too?

Before I get accused for being here for the drama. I don’t want you to post the outcome on here if you talk to her husband. I really am not here for drama. But I would call him in private without my husband knowing. He may know more, hence her being told to stop chatting to men and your husband being grumpy the last week as his dopamine fix has gone.

It sucks op, I’m sorry you are in this situation. I wish you well and hope he’s telling the truth.

Voone · 27/02/2024 20:37

usagisan · 27/02/2024 20:05

His story sounds quite calculated to me... the talking about her constantly and changing phone settings is quite indicative of something, and he's now trying to make her sound crazy while he's an asexual saint? Don't make any rash decisions or lose control, as his story is not impossible, but don't just accept what he's said as true... aspects being accurate, such as her being unstable, make it much easier to lie. I had an affair when I was younger, so speaking from experience, to my shame.

Edit - Xpost with various others as am being slow. @FairyMaclary's view is plausible to me.

Edited

Extremely calculated!!

"She was interested in me because I was so disinterested" Come on 🙄

Yet he talked about her daily, messaged her all the time, changed his phone settings, something definitely happened and now he's anxious which is why he's getting in there first trying to make her sound crazy like she's just imagined some feelings or relationship with him .

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:38

LittleGreenDragons · 27/02/2024 20:25

Sorry op but you may find there was more going on and her husband has found out and he is worried the husband is going to tell you. So he has told you a tale to discredit this woman just in case. Suggesting she comes on to all men and she is flirty etc. I suspect more has happened as he is clearly making her sound like the bad guy.
I have to agree with this poster. Your husband has had an affair, at least an emotional one, and now he's turning it all on you. What a lovely man he is (not).

he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman
I mean... really?? He's threatening you (to behave) with that statement, you do realise that? Everything that goes wrong will now be your fault.

He seems quite ashamed of himself. He does say I'm not very affectionate, so there is an element of trying to blame me, which I'm not taking.

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