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DP pulled back from affair and told me

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Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 19:33

Sorry it's a bit long!

My DP works with a younger woman and when she started working there, about a year ago, he said her behaviour was overly flirty and attention seeking, both with him and with other blokes. He mentioned this to others also, and they agreed (he says). All her friends seem to be male incidentally (he says) I was not overly bothered, some people are just like that. She is married with young children.

He started talking about her daily. We were on holiday and she was messaging him early in the morning- about a work emergency (he says). I was annoyed at that. He started staying up late on WhatsApp. I was a bit concerned but he just said he was reading stuff his brother has sent him. I said it was a bit weird that she would message him on his personal number out of hours, rather than at work, he would shrug it off as that is what they all do at his work, which is true.

Before Christmas a mutual male friend of DP and this woman told DP she was splitting from her husband. She said to this friend and others at work that her husband had banned her from having coffee or lunch with blokes at work.

Last week DP said she's been seen looking dreadful and parks her car in a different place from before so she doesn't have to see anyone going in or out of the building.

This weekend he's been very stressed and down. He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention and to distract themselves from their own poor relationships. Specifically women from his work, and this woman in particular. He said he realised what she was up to ie wanting an affair, and that it would wreck his life if he did so, so he has pulled back from it and has distanced himself.

He said he told me all this in the hope it would make our relationship better. As we have been distant lately and he doesn't like it as he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman, and potentially him.

Over the last few days, more details emerged, like she said to him it was his indifference that made her interested (he'd asked why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke) and that was when he realised the contact had gone too far, she was being more than just flirty, and he started being distant, not replying to messages. This was about 2 months ago he says, so around the time her marriage difficulties were mentioned by the mutual friend.

I had a go at him when I got in from work today because I just don't know what to think. I knew something was off in the summer and now various things are popping into my head like why did his messages suddenly stop showing content on his lock screen, and other things like his lack of interest in sex.

He had a massive go at me after I got angry, saying all he wants is to make things better and that was the reason he told me, he didn't fuck her or touch her in any way, he is not attracted to her as he sees her for what she is (an attention seeking temptress presumably), he wouldn't have told me at all if there was something serious going on and I am being unfair giving him a hard time.

I just can't understand why he told me. If he realised he was getting into an inappropriate situation and stopped it surely that's that, why tell me? I can't compete with a 34 year old at 50 and I'm not going to try. I get he wants to make our relationship better as do I, but telling me he's nearly shagged someone is not helping at all.

I asked if he'd blocked her and he hasn't as she's stopped messaging now anyway so he feels he doesn't need to.

We've lived together for 6 years, both previously divorced, joint mortgage, no kids together, I've got 2 teenagers. Both work full time.. I'm not fat or unattractive but the other woman is much more attractive than me, from what I've seen of her, and throwing herself at him as well, wow.

Am I being unfair to him by being angry and not being sure how I feel about this yet?

OP posts:
MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/02/2024 09:18

He said he told me all this in the hope it would make our relationship better. As we have been distant lately and he doesn't like it as he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman, and potentially him

What a sneaky manipulative thing to say. 'Look, I COULD have had an affair but I'm not that sort of man so I pulled back (subtext 'despite not getting the attention at home I think I should have.'). Now what are YOU going to do to make things better between us?'

takemeawayagain · 28/02/2024 09:19

Hellandbackand · 28/02/2024 07:12

So whilst I agree he's been a bit fishy with all this, just wanted to say. My affair started with someone at work, who massively came on to me and was relentless in his attention.
I did not know how to speak to my ex DH about it as he'd already blown his top the year before at an old friend of mine who was male and was paying me "too much attention" on social media, liking posts etc. literally nothing had happened, my mate lives hundreds of miles away but he banned me from having any contact.
So when this person at work started up, I was unable to speak to exDH and so I didn't tell him. And I deeply regret that now. Because that started a chain of events which ultimately led to the affair. The discovery. The divorce. The works.

Not trying to excuse your DH here just saying it may be that it's taken him some courage to raise it and discuss it and tell you what he's told you. Only you can decide if he's telling the truth or not because we don't know him. But reacting with anger may drive him into stopping talking to you and he then starts talking to others instead because he doesn't know how to raise it with you again

What a load of tripe. You didn't 'need' to talk to your DH about it you just needed to say 'no, I'm married' to the bloke going after you and put a complaint in at work if he didn't stop. If your DH was controlling and you couldn't communicate then you should have ended the marriage, not shagged someone else.

Honestly why do people keep suggesting that individuals have no agency of their own and if only they'd been able to talk to their OH about nearly having an affair then that would have somehow helped them to not fall into bed with them.

It's ridiculous OP for your husband to state that the OW was so attracted to him because he was disinterested - when he was talking to her daily and couldn't even keep away when he was on holiday. I reckon he thought he was in with a chance when the marriage broke down and made a move (not asking her why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke, but asking her if she was interested in going for a drink) - but found out that she wasn't interested probably because she had a bunch of men she was keeping in reserve and has chosen one of them instead. Now he sees she was just playing with him and is painting her as the bad one and him some kind of victim.

He's conveniently forgetting the part where he'd have been right in there if she had been vaguely interested.

fatphalange · 28/02/2024 09:43

I don't buy his version of events at all, sorry. Stressed and down because a young attractive woman wants to shag him? Nah. Nice spin he's put on things, though. Given just enough info to unburden himself and look like a stand-up guy with great morals.

He's come crying to you because his affair hasn't worked out, basically. Whatever has happened has made him shit himself and now he wants to throw everything into your marriage, whilst pining over this woman he's painting as a shedevil temptress. Maybe it has shaken him up and your relationship will survive. But you deserve the facts so you're fully informed, not his tale of woe.

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 28/02/2024 09:49

Your DH is doing ‘damage control’.

The question is what has he done to lead to this?

Catoo · 28/02/2024 09:54

Frangipanyoul8r · 27/02/2024 22:05

This weekend he's been very stressed and down. He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention

🤣🤣🤣 What a load of arrogant self aggrandising bullshit! Is his head too far up his own arse to realise flirting is a two way exchange?! If he didn’t keep responding to messages, there wouldn’t be an issue here.

OMFG. Sounds like he got dumped

Seaoftroubles · 28/02/2024 09:56

He lying, and in the process of covering up what was probably an emotional affair he's somehow managed to turn the blame on you. And you're supposed to be grateful he didn't give in to temptation? What a Prince!

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 09:59

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:08

The thing is that when he first mentioned the overly flirty behaviour I did support him, and suggested him having a word with managers as it was bordering on harassment, I thought. He didn't do anything. If she was a male doing that to me I would have complained. He hadn't complained about it again though, so I thought it had settled down but it was the opposite.
I know that if I had confessed the same as he has, he would be gone already. I asked him how he would feel in my shoes and he said furious.

Men are not listened to in the workplace about sexual harassment. It’s thought of as the woman is just being nice and it’s a compliment. Look at this thread, even though she was the one pursuing him and he was struggling to keep her at arms length, while letting you know this was happening he is still being painted as a cheater and a liar.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/02/2024 09:59

Catoo · 28/02/2024 09:54

OMFG. Sounds like he got dumped

Indeed. "Poor innocent helpless me being pursued by these lustful harpies all the time. You should be grateful I don't give into their lures, what with things not being that good at home."

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:00

Surfapparel · 27/02/2024 20:15

All of this. His behaviour from the time does not match the story he is telling you now. It isn't hard to guess why.

I think it does. It being a work situation means he can’t go no contact and he has hardly been secretive.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:03

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:33

Yes, it was the "why are you interested" that made me angry because if it was just flirting why would you ask? And it was that part of what he told me that concerned me. All his colleagues use personal phones to contact each other and chat, so in itself thats not strange, but most of the others are men!

He was imho trying to get her to admit she was being over friendly. You can’t get a work colleague to stop the unwanted attention if they are in denial.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:04

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:03

He was imho trying to get her to admit she was being over friendly. You can’t get a work colleague to stop the unwanted attention if they are in denial.

You can stop engaging in it! You can reply infrequently and only when asked a direct question. Come off it. He's told her half a story to paint the OW as a harlot and him as a faithful yet irresistible man. It really doesn't ring true, especially as he has hidden it for 2 months and went off sex with OP when it was going on.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:08

“I mean he told you he was staying up late on WhatsApp reading stuff his brother has sent him. That was a lie.”

Sorry? How do you know that wasn’t the truth?

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:12

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:04

You can stop engaging in it! You can reply infrequently and only when asked a direct question. Come off it. He's told her half a story to paint the OW as a harlot and him as a faithful yet irresistible man. It really doesn't ring true, especially as he has hidden it for 2 months and went off sex with OP when it was going on.

Who is to say he didn’t try to minimise communication? Everyone is assuming he was lying about talking with his brother late at night. Men will open up to other men and ask advice when in such situations. And honestly, when I was being sexually harassed at work, I went off sex with my DH because it completely turned me off all sex.

It rings true to me, but then I have been sexually harassed at work.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:12

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:08

“I mean he told you he was staying up late on WhatsApp reading stuff his brother has sent him. That was a lie.”

Sorry? How do you know that wasn’t the truth?

Why are you so invested in defending him?

OP states his behaviour changed, he was using WhatsApp late at night and changed the settings so OP couldn't read them if she saw his phone lock screen. This coincides with the time he now admits he was speaking to this woman and she was "trying" to have an affair with him. So he starts messaging all the time, changes his settings so the messages are entirely secret and then 2 months later admits a woman tried to have an affair with him but he didn't reciprocate. At least you have to admit that it is unlikely he was messaging his brother??

pokebowls · 28/02/2024 10:14

He is trying to sound heroic where is fact he had an affair.

He may have got dumped or realised that she wanted him on a string only for an emotional affair whereas he thought it would lead to a sexual affair and now he's bruised and trying to rewrite the narrative.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:15

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:12

Who is to say he didn’t try to minimise communication? Everyone is assuming he was lying about talking with his brother late at night. Men will open up to other men and ask advice when in such situations. And honestly, when I was being sexually harassed at work, I went off sex with my DH because it completely turned me off all sex.

It rings true to me, but then I have been sexually harassed at work.

I'm sorry you've experienced sexual harassment at work. But I'm assuming you didn't keep it a secret from your partner or try to find out what it was that this person liked so much about you?

When I've been sexually harassed I know the absolute LAST thing I would do is ask why they're interested in me. It's only going to lead to more harassing messages about their attraction to me. That fact alone suggests he was flattered and in some way pursuing it.

The fact he is letting the truth trickle out rather than laying it all on the table is also suspicious.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:17

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:12

Why are you so invested in defending him?

OP states his behaviour changed, he was using WhatsApp late at night and changed the settings so OP couldn't read them if she saw his phone lock screen. This coincides with the time he now admits he was speaking to this woman and she was "trying" to have an affair with him. So he starts messaging all the time, changes his settings so the messages are entirely secret and then 2 months later admits a woman tried to have an affair with him but he didn't reciprocate. At least you have to admit that it is unlikely he was messaging his brother??

No, I think it is likely he was telling the truth.
When I was being harassed, I also set my screen to not show messages because they were disgusting and traumatising.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:18

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:17

No, I think it is likely he was telling the truth.
When I was being harassed, I also set my screen to not show messages because they were disgusting and traumatising.

Did you ask your harasser why they were so interested in you? I'm sorry for your experience but I think his behaviour is suspect and you are putting your own personal experience (which was awful) onto this one when there are clear red flags in the way he has behaved and is behaving. I think OP is right to be suspicious about this.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:20

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:15

I'm sorry you've experienced sexual harassment at work. But I'm assuming you didn't keep it a secret from your partner or try to find out what it was that this person liked so much about you?

When I've been sexually harassed I know the absolute LAST thing I would do is ask why they're interested in me. It's only going to lead to more harassing messages about their attraction to me. That fact alone suggests he was flattered and in some way pursuing it.

The fact he is letting the truth trickle out rather than laying it all on the table is also suspicious.

I didn’t talk about all of it to my DH because I felt like maybe I was partially responsible for thinking friendliness was innocent and felt like an idiot. I didn’t want to go through a conversation around my “attracting the attention”. I wanted to handle it myself as well without having to file a grievance and go to HR. I told my DH some of it as and when I needed to. Often at home, I didn’t want to talk about it too because home was where I could try and block it and pretend it wasn’t happening.

What you call suspicious is what I did.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:23

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:18

Did you ask your harasser why they were so interested in you? I'm sorry for your experience but I think his behaviour is suspect and you are putting your own personal experience (which was awful) onto this one when there are clear red flags in the way he has behaved and is behaving. I think OP is right to be suspicious about this.

Not in those exact words. I did ask “why do you…” as a way to get them to admit they had crossed boundaries and knew what they were doing was sexual interest.

I think those who haven’t experienced it really haven’t a clue what it is like and perhaps are not best placed to advise the OP on how valid or invalid her DH’s reactions or behaviour have been.

FinallyFeb · 28/02/2024 10:24

It’s either an emotional affair and he’s suddenly seem the light of day.

A physical affair and he’s worried you’ll hear all the details from her or someone else.

Or between the lines he’s telling you he’s thinking of having or having an exit affair as you aren’t giving him enough affection according to him.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:29

OP- go with your initial gut reaction. Which was:
The thing is that when he first mentioned the overly flirty behaviour I did support him, and suggested him having a word with managers as it was bordering on harassment, I thought

Just consider that while it is very hard for women to report sexual harassment, it is much much harder for men. So the fact he has been trying to handle it on his own without reporting shouldn’t be viewed suspiciously like he is enjoying or wanting it.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:30

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:23

Not in those exact words. I did ask “why do you…” as a way to get them to admit they had crossed boundaries and knew what they were doing was sexual interest.

I think those who haven’t experienced it really haven’t a clue what it is like and perhaps are not best placed to advise the OP on how valid or invalid her DH’s reactions or behaviour have been.

Edited

Have you engaged in an emotional affair though? I have and it is extremely similar to what OP is describing in terms of her husband's behaviour.

This man hasn't said he was being sexually harassed - actually he has acknowledged it was inappropriate and brought up OP's lack of affection for him as a reason he engaged in it. He also started talking a lot about this woman when she joined - classic mentionitis. These are both indications that he engaged in this with some level of attraction to this woman and knowing it was wrong. I would guess he changed his WhatsApp behaviour and settings because he felt guilty rather than traumatised by what she was saying.

Maybe if you haven't engaged in an emotional affair then you may not be best placed to advise yourself. Your situation is not necessarily his situation. You are seeing the similarities to your situation but not necessarily the differences.

Newchapterbeckons · 28/02/2024 10:31

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:29

OP- go with your initial gut reaction. Which was:
The thing is that when he first mentioned the overly flirty behaviour I did support him, and suggested him having a word with managers as it was bordering on harassment, I thought

Just consider that while it is very hard for women to report sexual harassment, it is much much harder for men. So the fact he has been trying to handle it on his own without reporting shouldn’t be viewed suspiciously like he is enjoying or wanting it.

Oh for gods sake! He was messaging her on holiday, late into the evening! She is NOT sexually harassing him if he is only too happy to reply 🙄

Newchapterbeckons · 28/02/2024 10:32

The gas lighting on here is at ludricous levels.