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DP pulled back from affair and told me

205 replies

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 19:33

Sorry it's a bit long!

My DP works with a younger woman and when she started working there, about a year ago, he said her behaviour was overly flirty and attention seeking, both with him and with other blokes. He mentioned this to others also, and they agreed (he says). All her friends seem to be male incidentally (he says) I was not overly bothered, some people are just like that. She is married with young children.

He started talking about her daily. We were on holiday and she was messaging him early in the morning- about a work emergency (he says). I was annoyed at that. He started staying up late on WhatsApp. I was a bit concerned but he just said he was reading stuff his brother has sent him. I said it was a bit weird that she would message him on his personal number out of hours, rather than at work, he would shrug it off as that is what they all do at his work, which is true.

Before Christmas a mutual male friend of DP and this woman told DP she was splitting from her husband. She said to this friend and others at work that her husband had banned her from having coffee or lunch with blokes at work.

Last week DP said she's been seen looking dreadful and parks her car in a different place from before so she doesn't have to see anyone going in or out of the building.

This weekend he's been very stressed and down. He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention and to distract themselves from their own poor relationships. Specifically women from his work, and this woman in particular. He said he realised what she was up to ie wanting an affair, and that it would wreck his life if he did so, so he has pulled back from it and has distanced himself.

He said he told me all this in the hope it would make our relationship better. As we have been distant lately and he doesn't like it as he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman, and potentially him.

Over the last few days, more details emerged, like she said to him it was his indifference that made her interested (he'd asked why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke) and that was when he realised the contact had gone too far, she was being more than just flirty, and he started being distant, not replying to messages. This was about 2 months ago he says, so around the time her marriage difficulties were mentioned by the mutual friend.

I had a go at him when I got in from work today because I just don't know what to think. I knew something was off in the summer and now various things are popping into my head like why did his messages suddenly stop showing content on his lock screen, and other things like his lack of interest in sex.

He had a massive go at me after I got angry, saying all he wants is to make things better and that was the reason he told me, he didn't fuck her or touch her in any way, he is not attracted to her as he sees her for what she is (an attention seeking temptress presumably), he wouldn't have told me at all if there was something serious going on and I am being unfair giving him a hard time.

I just can't understand why he told me. If he realised he was getting into an inappropriate situation and stopped it surely that's that, why tell me? I can't compete with a 34 year old at 50 and I'm not going to try. I get he wants to make our relationship better as do I, but telling me he's nearly shagged someone is not helping at all.

I asked if he'd blocked her and he hasn't as she's stopped messaging now anyway so he feels he doesn't need to.

We've lived together for 6 years, both previously divorced, joint mortgage, no kids together, I've got 2 teenagers. Both work full time.. I'm not fat or unattractive but the other woman is much more attractive than me, from what I've seen of her, and throwing herself at him as well, wow.

Am I being unfair to him by being angry and not being sure how I feel about this yet?

OP posts:
usagisan · 27/02/2024 20:38

Also please don't think about this in terms of attractiveness and youth. If it's true... well, she'll be dumped in a decade or two for the next person as men take their pick. Presumably when you got with DP he understood that you age like all other humans, it's not that much to ask to expect loyalty despite that fact.

GiselleRose · 27/02/2024 20:41

So he enjoyed the ego boost up until her marriage reached crisis point when she backed off and this made your dp angry. So he was emotionally involved and I would view this very much as an emotional affair.

I mean, what you do is obviously up to you. I would be disappointed in my dp in this scenario and would expect him at the very least to have no further social contact with her for our relationship to recover. Good luck, OP.

manipulatrice · 27/02/2024 20:48

Could he be feeling guilty/ashamed rather than ashamed in the plainest sense?

SecondChancesAtLife · 27/02/2024 20:49

Sorry but I think this is damage limitation at its most manipulative from him.

More has happened and he’s getting in there first with his bullshit story so you are prepared with the “truth” when it comes out.

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:55

Why is he saying this if he’s innocent? Also Is affection a euphemism for sex? If he is being sexually harassed by Laura why is your lack of affection being discussed? I’m being sexually harassed wife, but you don’t cuddle me enough?

Or is he talking about Unmet needs theory.

Is he saying he has a but in his fidelity?
I am faithful but not if my wife isn’t affectionate. I am faithful but not if flirty colleague offers me ego kibbles at the coffee machine.

I’ve said this on here before but I don’t cheat for me. My words and promises are for me. I stood up in front of my friends and family and vowed to be faithful and loyal. I take my words seriously. If my words are meaningless then who am I. I am faithful because I said I would be and I make that a daily choice. My husband annoys me at times. In fact he can be really annoying. I’m not faithful for him. I am faithful for me and he is my collateral damage. I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror each day. My self respect and self esteem is valuable to me.

What has your lack of affection got to do with this situation? Husband didn’t cuddle me 6 times on Saturday so because he didn’t do x I get to do Y (flirt with Bill). Husband didn’t give me sex last night so I can snog Janet at the fax after work?

I’m faithful for me. How can my husbands lack of affection affect my core value? Assuming being faithful is a core value for me.

If my husband isn’t affectionate I can 1) talk to him and maybe suggest counselling if it’s a deal breaker 2) divorce him 3) shut up and put up.
choice 4) seems odd break my vows, damage my integrity and be the bad guy in my story by flirting with Bill.

Why does my husbands actions make me do something I don’t want to do? Or is he saying that is how he can justify poor choices?

Newphonnearlythere · 27/02/2024 20:57

These straying middle aged men are so bloody predictable. Worried that his extra marital behaviour is going to be found out...he plays the victim, deflects and blames the OW AND his partner.

What a shallow tosser. He hasn't even blocked her 🙄

Honestly OP, you need to call him out. Personally I'd tell him you're done and to sling his hook. I wouldn't bother with his work wife, I'd inform her husband.

JanglingJack · 27/02/2024 21:04

Hmm...

To me it sounds like he is laying the groundwork before more comes out. You know him, you know he's been distant, you know he's been on his phone to her out of hours...

Don't be gaslit in to thinking it's all in your head. There has been lines crossed already. I think he's trying to get in before she does.

Notwhatyouwanttohear · 27/02/2024 21:05

Surprised with how much benefit of the doubt the op P is getting.

He may not have actively pursued her but messaging her on holiday and then lying saying he was reading brothers stuff etc is not being an innocent sexually harassed bloke.

I bet the ow dh has found out there was something and your P is trying to get ahead of it.

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 21:09

FairyMaclary · 27/02/2024 20:55

Why is he saying this if he’s innocent? Also Is affection a euphemism for sex? If he is being sexually harassed by Laura why is your lack of affection being discussed? I’m being sexually harassed wife, but you don’t cuddle me enough?

Or is he talking about Unmet needs theory.

Is he saying he has a but in his fidelity?
I am faithful but not if my wife isn’t affectionate. I am faithful but not if flirty colleague offers me ego kibbles at the coffee machine.

I’ve said this on here before but I don’t cheat for me. My words and promises are for me. I stood up in front of my friends and family and vowed to be faithful and loyal. I take my words seriously. If my words are meaningless then who am I. I am faithful because I said I would be and I make that a daily choice. My husband annoys me at times. In fact he can be really annoying. I’m not faithful for him. I am faithful for me and he is my collateral damage. I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror each day. My self respect and self esteem is valuable to me.

What has your lack of affection got to do with this situation? Husband didn’t cuddle me 6 times on Saturday so because he didn’t do x I get to do Y (flirt with Bill). Husband didn’t give me sex last night so I can snog Janet at the fax after work?

I’m faithful for me. How can my husbands lack of affection affect my core value? Assuming being faithful is a core value for me.

If my husband isn’t affectionate I can 1) talk to him and maybe suggest counselling if it’s a deal breaker 2) divorce him 3) shut up and put up.
choice 4) seems odd break my vows, damage my integrity and be the bad guy in my story by flirting with Bill.

Why does my husbands actions make me do something I don’t want to do? Or is he saying that is how he can justify poor choices?

He means hugs and general cuddling, sex is a different category slightly I think. I don't think he is innocent and yes he would use poor partner behaviour as an explanation for cheating, (as would I in a way, though I see what you mean in your reasoning) in that happy in their relationship people probably don't cheat. It's still not an excuse for doing it though.

OP posts:
Opentooffers · 27/02/2024 21:12

But while he was alledgedly just accepting her flirtations he also stopped having sex with you. I rather think that shows he'd developed an emotional connection from his side as a minimum.
The whole dripfeed of how he spoke of this woman and her behaviour sounds like it was a cover for what was to come and the morning personal texts while you were on holiday seem suss - a holiday during which time you may have noticed he was avoiding sex with you perhaps.
It's possible it might be as he said, but there are a lot of bits that might be adding up.
Therefore, I think a chat to her H might help to know one way or the other, even if it puts your mind at rest.

StarDolphins · 27/02/2024 21:13

He’s over talked this because he’s guilty imo & he knows something is about to come out. I bet her take on it would be very different & please don’t fall for the more sex/seeking elsewhere like, it’s like he’s warning/blaming you.

Quitelikeit · 27/02/2024 21:15

Op

Something has clearly happened. Maybe she complained about him at work? Maybe he’s in trouble? Maybe the husband found out and he is worried about a knock at the door inc a punch in the face to go with it

The fact that he was down all weekend suggests that he has been dumped? Or perhaps she is seeing another colleague of his too?

Riverlee · 27/02/2024 21:27

It sounds be like he was drawn into this friendship/ relationship, probably thinking it was platonic, then realised ( or someone told him ) that it was heading into a fully fledged affair .

He was probably flattered by her attentilon. However, sounds like he had a wake-up call and has drawn back.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 27/02/2024 21:35

“He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention”😆

Poor mite.

Is there a HR dept where he works, I suggest he raise a grievance if he’s being harassed constantly. I expect that there’s far to this story- there always is!

Cowboybuilderwoes · 27/02/2024 21:38

Couldntgiveafunk · 27/02/2024 20:00

I agree with this. Someone has threatened to tell you what’s been going on behind your back, and he’s now scrambling for a cover story.

This.

I don’t believe a word of what he’s said. I’ve heard this story and seen it on here a million times - they’re always having an affair. Always.

Cowboybuilderwoes · 27/02/2024 21:39

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 27/02/2024 21:35

“He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention”😆

Poor mite.

Is there a HR dept where he works, I suggest he raise a grievance if he’s being harassed constantly. I expect that there’s far to this story- there always is!

Yes this, I’d ONLY believe him if I saw him raise this in a grievance. If he didn’t, because he won’t as he’s lying, then I’d know he’s a cheating bastard.

Mumtogirlss · 27/02/2024 21:39

OP I've been here. I saw MSG's from a work client on his phone at night he just said she was a nice person and friends..
A year later he left me and admitted he had an affair.
I even spoke to the ow at the time it was awful I looked crazy.
He deleted WhatsApp MSG's and changed his phone settings.
People don't do that if they have nothing to hide.

Aquamarine1029 · 27/02/2024 21:44

The old saying, "If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you", springs to mind.

tothelefttotheleft · 27/02/2024 21:44

He sounds like the woman rejected him.

AzureBlue99 · 27/02/2024 21:47

He is trying to control something that is unraveling. He wants to set a scene before it inevitably comes out. He is lying through his teeth. Men cheat because they can. It has nothing to do with you, so set aside the internal chatter about not being attractive compared to her.

MsCactus · 27/02/2024 21:51

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 20:33

Yes, it was the "why are you interested" that made me angry because if it was just flirting why would you ask? And it was that part of what he told me that concerned me. All his colleagues use personal phones to contact each other and chat, so in itself thats not strange, but most of the others are men!

I can only speak from my experience, but I'm in my 30s, have had two men massively come onto me at work. When I told the first one to stop contacting me/leave me alone he went round telling everyone (including his wife) that I was obsessed with him, fancied him and was harassing him.

The second time, once I turned him down, he blamed me "I made him behave like this". I'm sure both of these men's wives think I'm some kind of temptress - but they both told me they wanted to leave their partners for me and I immediately shut it down. Some men are awful.

I sometimes wish I could tell their wives how they really behaved, but they probably wouldn't believe me.

PrincessOfPreschool · 27/02/2024 21:52

Before Christmas a mutual male friend of DP and this woman told DP she was splitting from her husband. She said to this friend and others at work that her husband had banned her from having coffee or lunch with blokes at work.

Last week DP said she's been seen looking dreadful and parks her car in a different place from before so she doesn't have to see anyone going in or out of the building.

OP the timing of this suggests much more than he just 'suddenly decided' to open up to you. The woman's DP has found something out. They are staying together on the condition she cuts it off with your DP. But the threat is there that her DP will tell you. That would be my hunch.

wherearemywellingtons · 27/02/2024 21:58

Turn this around. Imagine a man was basically sexually harassing you at work and being massively inappropriate and you told them firmly that you weren’t interested. You told your partner what was going on as it was stressing you out and making you anxious. And he has a go at you. How would you feel?! That will tell you if you’re being unfair to him or not.

Voone · 27/02/2024 21:58

tothelefttotheleft · 27/02/2024 21:44

He sounds like the woman rejected him.

Not really.
Men might lie about women who rejected them to their friends and say that they were the one who rejected her, but they're not going to say that to their wife for no reason.

His script is very much the script of someone pre-empting the OP being told something.

Then he can say to the OP "See I told you she was mad about me and a bit crazy and not coping well, I rejected her so now she's acting like this"

Or if her husband says something to you he could say "No I told you, she flirts with everyone and when she flirted with me I shut her down because I saw what she was at, and her husband got rightfully paranoid because of her behaviour but it's nothing to do with me".

imagiantwitch · 27/02/2024 22:00

He was fucking her, an now he’s nervous you’ll find out for some reason so is trying to control the narrative.