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DP pulled back from affair and told me

205 replies

Tartanboots · 27/02/2024 19:33

Sorry it's a bit long!

My DP works with a younger woman and when she started working there, about a year ago, he said her behaviour was overly flirty and attention seeking, both with him and with other blokes. He mentioned this to others also, and they agreed (he says). All her friends seem to be male incidentally (he says) I was not overly bothered, some people are just like that. She is married with young children.

He started talking about her daily. We were on holiday and she was messaging him early in the morning- about a work emergency (he says). I was annoyed at that. He started staying up late on WhatsApp. I was a bit concerned but he just said he was reading stuff his brother has sent him. I said it was a bit weird that she would message him on his personal number out of hours, rather than at work, he would shrug it off as that is what they all do at his work, which is true.

Before Christmas a mutual male friend of DP and this woman told DP she was splitting from her husband. She said to this friend and others at work that her husband had banned her from having coffee or lunch with blokes at work.

Last week DP said she's been seen looking dreadful and parks her car in a different place from before so she doesn't have to see anyone going in or out of the building.

This weekend he's been very stressed and down. He said he is sick of women coming on to him and trying to use him for attention and to distract themselves from their own poor relationships. Specifically women from his work, and this woman in particular. He said he realised what she was up to ie wanting an affair, and that it would wreck his life if he did so, so he has pulled back from it and has distanced himself.

He said he told me all this in the hope it would make our relationship better. As we have been distant lately and he doesn't like it as he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman, and potentially him.

Over the last few days, more details emerged, like she said to him it was his indifference that made her interested (he'd asked why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke) and that was when he realised the contact had gone too far, she was being more than just flirty, and he started being distant, not replying to messages. This was about 2 months ago he says, so around the time her marriage difficulties were mentioned by the mutual friend.

I had a go at him when I got in from work today because I just don't know what to think. I knew something was off in the summer and now various things are popping into my head like why did his messages suddenly stop showing content on his lock screen, and other things like his lack of interest in sex.

He had a massive go at me after I got angry, saying all he wants is to make things better and that was the reason he told me, he didn't fuck her or touch her in any way, he is not attracted to her as he sees her for what she is (an attention seeking temptress presumably), he wouldn't have told me at all if there was something serious going on and I am being unfair giving him a hard time.

I just can't understand why he told me. If he realised he was getting into an inappropriate situation and stopped it surely that's that, why tell me? I can't compete with a 34 year old at 50 and I'm not going to try. I get he wants to make our relationship better as do I, but telling me he's nearly shagged someone is not helping at all.

I asked if he'd blocked her and he hasn't as she's stopped messaging now anyway so he feels he doesn't need to.

We've lived together for 6 years, both previously divorced, joint mortgage, no kids together, I've got 2 teenagers. Both work full time.. I'm not fat or unattractive but the other woman is much more attractive than me, from what I've seen of her, and throwing herself at him as well, wow.

Am I being unfair to him by being angry and not being sure how I feel about this yet?

OP posts:
KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:36

Newchapterbeckons · 28/02/2024 10:31

Oh for gods sake! He was messaging her on holiday, late into the evening! She is NOT sexually harassing him if he is only too happy to reply 🙄

That is the expectation of his job that they all communicate over WhatsApp outside work on their personal phones. He was replying to her messages that she initiated. Just blocking or ignoring isn’t an option even after he realised that she had crossed over the boundary from friendly colleague to harassment. It sounds all so easy when you have never been in the situation, when in fact it can be hard to disentangle.

You are reminding me of people who tell adults to just leave an abusive partner, that it can’t be abuse if they are “only too happy” to go home every day.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:39

Newchapterbeckons · 28/02/2024 10:32

The gas lighting on here is at ludricous levels.

I completely agree. It’s out of order to assume that because the person is a man, then they must be a liar and a cheat.

Chickpea17 · 28/02/2024 10:40

It just a cover story and I bet her husband found out and that's why he left. Your husband is worried that someone going to tell you about the affair.

Poppyzo · 28/02/2024 10:40

My guess would be he has become emotionally attached to her. Then realised and backed off. It’s a good thing he told you but it’s not your fault.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:42

@KestrelMoon What happened to you sounds terrible. I've been sexually harassed at work too and it's horrible. But please try to understand that I'm of the view OP's husband has behaved inappropriately because of how she has reported his behaviour and reactions and not because he's a man. I've been harassed and I've engaged in an emotional affair. This sounds like the latter to me and I'm giving OP my opinion.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, that wasn't your fault.

I don't want to get in a back and forth with you but I hope you understand that I don't see victims of sexual harassment as culpable. It just seems here like much more than that.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 28/02/2024 10:44

I think he is in full defence mode.

He KNOWS things haven’t been right between you two and that the cause is that he has been distant.
He KNOWS you know about Laura and how she ‘can’t be around the men at work’ aka everyone now knows she has gone over boundaries and has been cheating on her dh.
He KNOWS you weren’t keen on how much time he was spending being in contact with her.

So he is preemptively covering his back and using distraction techniques to say he wants to concentrate on your marriage, make it great etc…
That, in itself, would make me highly suspicious im afraid.

As PP have said, when you feel Laura from work is being a pain, won’t leave you alone etc…. You don’t spend so much time staying in touch. You don’t keep it for yourself for months and then bring it out when she creates the distance. And you certainly dint bring her as a reason why you want to concentrate on your marriage.

Fraaahnces · 28/02/2024 10:48

I would be checking his mobile phone messages to and from her to ensure that I was making an informed decision about the future of my relationship with him.

BlueSkyBlueLife · 28/02/2024 10:48

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:36

That is the expectation of his job that they all communicate over WhatsApp outside work on their personal phones. He was replying to her messages that she initiated. Just blocking or ignoring isn’t an option even after he realised that she had crossed over the boundary from friendly colleague to harassment. It sounds all so easy when you have never been in the situation, when in fact it can be hard to disentangle.

You are reminding me of people who tell adults to just leave an abusive partner, that it can’t be abuse if they are “only too happy” to go home every day.

But would you keep that abuse quiet to your partner? Or would you have a chat with them to see how to deal with it, get (emotional) support?

For me, if you are involved in something as bad as harassement at work, and you dint share it with your partner, surely it points towards some serious issues in your relationship? I mean it would to me.

Catoo · 28/02/2024 10:49

I’m sorry OP.

My take - she’s attractive, flirty and he was flattered and started to think they were going to be together. He was acting off with you (no sex, phone locking etc) while he thought this. For whatever reason she has decided this isn’t going to happen. Maybe she never did. He’s now hurt and has been sulking. Blaming ‘flirty women’ and you. Rewriting history. Standard.

At best he’s been foolish. At worst they’ve had a physical relationship that she’s called off. One thing for certain, you won’t have had the full truth from him yet.

Either way you need away time to think it all through.
💐

Patrickiscrazy · 28/02/2024 10:49

Azandme · 27/02/2024 23:52

"I'm not fat..."

What's wrong with being fat? 🙄

Nothing.
Just "men" like "skinny" women, don't you know?

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:49

@Surfapparel
Thank you. I understand there will be different opinions and perspectives. I do get a bit sensitive when posters write suspicions as if they were facts.

Loubelle70 · 28/02/2024 10:51

BarbaraVineFan · 28/02/2024 07:22

Sorry OP but I think they've had an affair and she has dumped him. This is why he has been 'stressed and down'.

This OP. You can bury your head in the sand but the truth needs to be found out. Hes been involved, hes been dumped and now hes disparaging ow because his prides dented... and incase it comes out

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:53

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:49

@Surfapparel
Thank you. I understand there will be different opinions and perspectives. I do get a bit sensitive when posters write suspicions as if they were facts.

I get that. For me, the biggest clue that makes me suspicious is that he's implying he engaged because OP wasn't affectionate enough. That suggests he was seeking validation from this woman which is classic emotional affair territory (and sadly, as I say, I speak from experience as a fool who engaged in an emotional "exit affair" that never went further). Ascribing any level of blame to your partner is something I find it hard to square with unwanted harassment.

trulyunruly01 · 28/02/2024 10:53

I'm intrigued as to why it went from him being bothered by a woman at work to you not being affectionate enough with him. Why would the state of your marriage even come into it.
I first saw your thread very early this morning and on further reflection I'd go with my initial gut instinct - he's carrying out a damage limitation exercise.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:54

BlueSkyBlueLife · 28/02/2024 10:48

But would you keep that abuse quiet to your partner? Or would you have a chat with them to see how to deal with it, get (emotional) support?

For me, if you are involved in something as bad as harassement at work, and you dint share it with your partner, surely it points towards some serious issues in your relationship? I mean it would to me.

I did already say that I told my DH some of what happened, but not all and not always immediately after. That isn’t keeping it quiet. That isn’t not seeking their emotional support. OP has said her DH was similar in that he told her some but not all, and not always directly after. There are many reasons why victims cannot share details of harrassment with partners immediately after or in all their sordidness.

I don’t agree that means there is a problem in the relationship. I think we all talk about things when we are ready and feel emotionally able to when it comes to something like sexual harrassment. It can be hard too, I think, for a man to show vulnerability to his wife given our society and culture doesn’t think of men as victims of sexual harrassment, but as perpetrators or willing participants.

Patrickiscrazy · 28/02/2024 10:55

manipulatrice · 27/02/2024 20:48

Could he be feeling guilty/ashamed rather than ashamed in the plainest sense?

No.

TheFTrain · 28/02/2024 10:56

@Catoo has summed this up. You don't have the evidence yet but I think more's about to come to light.

Every bone in my body says he's cheated emotionally, maybe physically.

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 11:01

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 10:53

I get that. For me, the biggest clue that makes me suspicious is that he's implying he engaged because OP wasn't affectionate enough. That suggests he was seeking validation from this woman which is classic emotional affair territory (and sadly, as I say, I speak from experience as a fool who engaged in an emotional "exit affair" that never went further). Ascribing any level of blame to your partner is something I find it hard to square with unwanted harassment.

I didn’t get that implication. The OP writes he has been very stressed and down (understandably) and he shared with OP why that was because it has affected their relationship because he wanted to keep things good between them. I thought the implication was that OP has been a bit distant because he has been stressed and down- and most people get grumpy and snappy when stressed and down- which would make their partner a bit less affectionate because they havent done anything to deserve a grumpy/snappy partner.

Loubelle70 · 28/02/2024 11:12

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 11:01

I didn’t get that implication. The OP writes he has been very stressed and down (understandably) and he shared with OP why that was because it has affected their relationship because he wanted to keep things good between them. I thought the implication was that OP has been a bit distant because he has been stressed and down- and most people get grumpy and snappy when stressed and down- which would make their partner a bit less affectionate because they havent done anything to deserve a grumpy/snappy partner.

Why then did he not block her number? Why continue to message? Why not report to HR? So many questions

LapTopBiter · 28/02/2024 11:13

takemeawayagain · 28/02/2024 09:19

What a load of tripe. You didn't 'need' to talk to your DH about it you just needed to say 'no, I'm married' to the bloke going after you and put a complaint in at work if he didn't stop. If your DH was controlling and you couldn't communicate then you should have ended the marriage, not shagged someone else.

Honestly why do people keep suggesting that individuals have no agency of their own and if only they'd been able to talk to their OH about nearly having an affair then that would have somehow helped them to not fall into bed with them.

It's ridiculous OP for your husband to state that the OW was so attracted to him because he was disinterested - when he was talking to her daily and couldn't even keep away when he was on holiday. I reckon he thought he was in with a chance when the marriage broke down and made a move (not asking her why she was interested in a 50 year old bloke, but asking her if she was interested in going for a drink) - but found out that she wasn't interested probably because she had a bunch of men she was keeping in reserve and has chosen one of them instead. Now he sees she was just playing with him and is painting her as the bad one and him some kind of victim.

He's conveniently forgetting the part where he'd have been right in there if she had been vaguely interested.

This or some version.

I'm in her age bracket, and I'm content but it's quite a hard age for socialising and meeting new people platonically.

Most people arent too interested in or are quite "short" or terse with a single thirty something woman.

You know what demographic is consistently desperate to be my 1-1 friend, and is interested in me and keeping tabs on me, and always offers me a shoulder to cry on or tries to get me messaging on WhatsApp rather than work e-mail?

Older married men.

I suspect he presented himself as some sort of friend/emotional confidante/therapist, and she got the ick when he thought there was something more.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 11:23

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 11:01

I didn’t get that implication. The OP writes he has been very stressed and down (understandably) and he shared with OP why that was because it has affected their relationship because he wanted to keep things good between them. I thought the implication was that OP has been a bit distant because he has been stressed and down- and most people get grumpy and snappy when stressed and down- which would make their partner a bit less affectionate because they havent done anything to deserve a grumpy/snappy partner.

I don't think so. He said he wanted to be happy with her so he wouldn't end up having an affair (in a general sense but during a conversation about this woman). He then also said, potentially in a separate conversation, that OP wasn't affectionate enough, which OP took as blaming her for the situation.

OP said:

he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman

And then separately:

He seems quite ashamed of himself. He does say I'm not very affectionate, so there is an element of trying to blame me, which I'm not taking.

Newchapterbeckons · 28/02/2024 11:30

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 11:23

I don't think so. He said he wanted to be happy with her so he wouldn't end up having an affair (in a general sense but during a conversation about this woman). He then also said, potentially in a separate conversation, that OP wasn't affectionate enough, which OP took as blaming her for the situation.

OP said:

he wants us to be happy together so he isn't "that person" who goes looking for extra sex as they're not getting it at home, like that woman

And then separately:

He seems quite ashamed of himself. He does say I'm not very affectionate, so there is an element of trying to blame me, which I'm not taking.

Edited

Its called buyers remorse.

Surfapparel · 28/02/2024 11:44

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 11:01

I didn’t get that implication. The OP writes he has been very stressed and down (understandably) and he shared with OP why that was because it has affected their relationship because he wanted to keep things good between them. I thought the implication was that OP has been a bit distant because he has been stressed and down- and most people get grumpy and snappy when stressed and down- which would make their partner a bit less affectionate because they havent done anything to deserve a grumpy/snappy partner.

Also, OP actually said that he was stressed and down this weekend just passed but that her husband said he cut off communication 2 months ago. That's very different to how you've taken it. He has been down this weekend (and she isn't messaging him anymore by his own admission) but wasn't noticeably down when it was going on. Him being down coincides with the end of it - which again implies an inappropriate emotional entanglement that he feels sad about losing.

terfinthewild · 28/02/2024 11:59

A million different things could have happened and you will never know the truth. What do you want? What does he want? If you both want to stay married then put all of your energy in to moving forward and making your relationship great. If you don't then maybe get out now before you waste any more precious time. I do agree with most other posters that it sounds fishy tbh and personally I'd call the woman up and speak with her myself. Hope it all works out for you.

Toastyfeetbythefire · 28/02/2024 12:26

BeFrankforonce · 28/02/2024 03:37

Cover story.

Agree. He’s desperately covering his backside in case it comes out. Muddying the waters so that you are at the very least confused.
I recognise it.
OP you are wanting reassurance from us that he’s being truthful.
Listen to your gut. You are in denial

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