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Is this abusive? H and DC

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westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 01:09

Got home tonight after the millionth episode of 'd' H sulking on a nice outing with the dc and i feel incredibly bleak. I would really appreciate a sense check on what happened. I have been in therapy for a while trying to decide whether our marriage is over for several reasons. One of the main ones being how he cannot rein in his moods around dc, and how I have become accustomed to walking on eggshells.

We went out for dinner at his suggestion after dc had a long school day (start at 8, finished afterschool at 5.30). dc is 9 and i suspect becoming a little bit hormonal as she is more emotional these days). Everything seemed fine then we started talking about the Narnia audiobooks dc is listening to that she got for xmas, and i inadvertently gave a 'spoiler' that involves some death, about the last book (sorry-- i dont want to give a spoiler again!) Dc got upset that this death happened and got a little bit teary, i felt terrible, but it opened a good conversation about how CS Lewis was religious and so believed in God and the afterlife and this inspired many of his books, and also that children's books were a little different in the old days perhaps because they were written during/after WW2 when children had to be more comfortable with scary ideas like death (I'm a historian and dc loves history so we do tend to get into these chats.)

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

Writing it out, i know it sounds bad. And it is. But it is also very normal for him. He's had scenes like this on holidays and meals out and at home and when his mood takes over he can't rein it in for dc or me. Often leads to a blowout argument which i try and diffuse if dc is there but he will then shut the door to our room and raise his voice/swear anyway. He cannot tolerate normal dc behaviour. When she was a toddler he would get angry if she was afraid of the dark or if she acted crazy during a long movie. We have clashed over it so many times. He has no patience. Even his mum tells him 'she's just a kid'. He is too strict when i'm not around and i dont really like leaving them together for that reason sometimes. I was out for 2hrs working the other day and by the time i came back he had confiscated her nintendo because she didn't get dressed fast enough.

He has a lot of resentment toward me because i had a short emotional affair which i confessed to quickly, in a very dark time in our marriage during covid when we had a separation, and i know this and i have apologised so many times but i now just think we might be done. I am tired of him ruining a nice evening out or whatever. Me and dc had the chat about the book, moved on, and had a nice dinner. He chose to seethe and get more worked up.

This isn't right, is it?

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Mediumred · 19/01/2024 02:16

If this was a total one-off then I guess you could put it down to a bad night/difference of opinion but it sounds like just a snapshot of a wider pattern of very little patience/joy/understanding of your child. The fact you feel uneasy leaving them alone together for any considerable time is quite telling.

Lovemybunnies · 19/01/2024 02:32

Your poor daughter. This must be miserable for her and you. Have you talked to her about it? I’m not sure how you should broach it but she must be affected by it and it could ruin her self-esteem and confidence.

Popcorn23 · 19/01/2024 02:32

Its not right, no. It is strange that your DC is now 9 but your H still hasn't come to terms with normal child behaviour!

Does he have any young nieces and nephews? Has he ever taken DC to activities with other kids? Does he speak to other dads at all?

It is good you are considering separation if needed as your DC must be impacted. If H gets shared custody of DC do you think his behaviour towards her would continue to be a problem or is he acting out because of underlying resentment towards you?

LauderSyme · 19/01/2024 03:03

No it is not right. H is communicating some very damaging messages to DD about herself whilst gaslighting her that she is the one to blame.

You can't spend your life apologising, especially when he refuses to even look at his own behaviour, never mind change it. I think you should tell him to shape up or ship out.

Spencer0220 · 19/01/2024 03:08

Was it an affair if it was during a separation?

He's gaslighting you and your daughter. Don't stand for it. You say you try and defuse if she's around, but why do you let him continue? Just leave the room, open the door again.

Don't allow him to suck you in. The minute you ignore his bait, he'll get tired and stop

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/01/2024 03:16

Read When Anger Hurts Your Kids and then plan to leave. Or give it to him to read.

westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 03:18

Its just been like this for years. I feel very guilty at how it has impacted her but i also feel paralysed to break up her family and leave. But i havent agreed to have another dc because of how much it has made us clash and so i have deprived her of the sibling/s she would have loved. (Im 36 so i guess it may not be too late but thats one of the things that makes me really sad.)

No... @Popcorn23 interestingly i answered no to all of your questions. He has barely ever seen his 2 nephews under 5, he is the youngest child in his own family, he doesn't take dc to activities or playdates or to the playground on their own, and he doesnt seek out other dads. I have 'managed' a lot of their relationship.

He is always calling her stuff like 'spoilt rotten', he said she was 'too chatty' which she confided in me (she does talk your ear off but its her personality and shes 9!), he also gets frustrated and/or laughs at her if she is at times irrationally upset or whatever. Its like he finds her annoying a lot of the time. I wish she had a better dad. I wish i had the courage years ago to leave. He never takes her out on her bike (in fact one brake on the bike has been broken since he got it >1 year ago and hes never bothered to fix it), he never involves her in cooking, never reads to her at night, never listens to her worries. He wont accept that hes not a great parent though. Its a sore point for him.

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Pinkbonbon · 19/01/2024 03:25

Ironic that he gets mad at real human emotion like compassion. Because he doesn't have any.

Abusers often react with hate to kindness and empathy and compassion displays from others (unless it's directed at them). They see it as weakness. And they attack weakness.

Your girl sounds like a wonderful, bright, compassionate soul. Do Azlan proud and help her remain so. Don't let dark forces stamp out that goodness. Protect her and tell her that we can always see the light because it strives for good. And the dark...because it seeks to stamp that good out.

Get away from him and give your child a safe place to be. And never stop discussing books with her! Hopefully she will grow up to be a good person like ger mum.

MariaLuna · 19/01/2024 03:49

God, he sounds just utterly awful.
And damaging to both of you.

Even worse for your daughter because this will be her template of how relationships work.

Take it from me, life is hard (anyway) but so much better without this daily negative input from someone who should have done therapy years ago instead of dumping his shit on his family. How dare he!

Get your ducks sorted. Life is great as a solo mum.

WhichEllie · 19/01/2024 03:51

I do think it is over, and that your daughter deserves better. Is he taking out his feelings about you on her/redirecting his anger onto her? The example that you gave makes me think that he was annoyed with you for “causing” the issue but he chose to pick on your daughter about it instead. If he’s still simmering with resentment then that’s likely part of why he’s lashing out at her, which is completely unacceptable. Did you two do any sort of therapy after the emotional affair?

Regardless, it really doesn’t sound like a healthy situation for any of you. Your poor daughter is learning a lot of negative things about men and how they treat women. Frankly I’d throw him out before he does any more damage to her.

abeeabeeisafterme · 19/01/2024 04:13

She's 9? She has been around this spiteful behaviour- directed towards herself- for 9 years? The poor child. I'd be surprised if she wasn't affected, it sounds like he has emotionally and mentally being either or both bullying or abusing her for nearly a decade. I have 9 year old daughter who would be crushed by this behaviour. You need to make better choices for your child.

Tara336 · 19/01/2024 04:21

My DF treated me like this, he affected my self confidence and self worth, his behaviour got worse as I got older. I left home as quickly as I could at 21 years old, I wish my DM had left him when I was young.

heartofglass23 · 19/01/2024 04:21

Hmm I'd actually be worried about a scenario if you spilt and he went to court for contact and was allowed unsupervised time with her.

You'd find it difficult to challenge this and your dd would inevitably have even more abusive behaviour thrust upon her.

But if you dont think he'd seek contact run for the hills!

He is abusing your dd but you have to tread carefully about how you make the best long term plan to keep her safe.

If it's safe for you to do so id record these abusive interactions between him and her so you have evidence in court.

The court won't believe just what you say.

Also try to have witnesses to the abuse.

Duckingella · 19/01/2024 04:44

You should have stayed separated from him.

LightSwerve · 19/01/2024 04:51

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

This will be very damaging for your DD. Please stop minimising it, you are used to it but that doesn't make it ok. The fact it happens often makes it much worse for your DD.

BoxOfCats · 19/01/2024 05:07

It's emotional abuse, his behaviour towards you both is designed to punish you into acting as he wants you to.

Please do the thing and get your daughter away from this situation. I grew up in a similar environment and my mum wasn't strong enough to leave until I was 16. It definitely affected my self confidence and views on relationships.

It's easier said than done I know, but be strong for yourself and your child and do the right thing.

Georgie743 · 19/01/2024 05:14

You poor thing and your poor, poor daughter. Please be brave and make the break and never look back. Life is too short to walk on eggshells around someone's bad moods, and no kid should ever have to put up with a dad like that. You sound like a lovely man. Please know that there's lots of great opportunities out there, and peace, after separating from someone who brings you and your children down.

At 9 she will be listened to in terms of who she wants to spend time with and to be honest it sounds like he doesn't even like her - so I imagine she would be full time with you.

What a horrid man!

Copperoliverbear · 19/01/2024 05:34

Ask him to leave, you are better in a home with one happy parent than two unhappy ones.

KickHimInTheCrotch · 19/01/2024 05:35

I'd be worried that if you separated he would have more unsupervised time with her not less. The courts allow all sorts of nasty individuals to have access to their children.

LoveRules · 19/01/2024 05:45

My XH was like this to our son over the many years we together. I finally left him 6 years ago when he tried to strangle the weedy 15 year old and after about 5 ultimatums about being nicer to his child. We've not looked back but I have terrible guilt for the damage it's done to my son who is 21 now. He was suicidal for a while and attracted terrible girlfriends. He's great now though and his dad is still crap to him. Very glad not to be walking on eggshells anymore and I'm remarrying the most wonderful kind man who is an exemplar dad to his children who my own children adore.

Good luck.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/01/2024 05:49

KickHimInTheCrotch · 19/01/2024 05:35

I'd be worried that if you separated he would have more unsupervised time with her not less. The courts allow all sorts of nasty individuals to have access to their children.

But at least the message from mum is that nasty people don't get to have marriages with nice ones. At the moment he's with her 100% of the time, and she's watching her mum be treated like shit.

GreatGateauxsby · 19/01/2024 06:08

I read this and thought: Boiled Frog

You are numb to his absolute bastardry because it's so normal now. In an abstract way you see it's wrong but it doesn't evoke the rage it should. If my DH did that I would be like a wild thing and he'd have his arse handed to him. He'd do the same to me (probably in a more controlled manner though 😅)

To confirm: He is utterly awful and sounds less emotionally mature than her...run don't walk.

Things like the you eat like an animal are throw away comments child remember and are effected by 20 years later.

I would be making plans to have left before Easter this year, sooner if I could.

Given how (un)invested he is in her if you split you'll be looking at one weekend or Sunday a fortnight and even then you can probably flex the hours in your favour and he won't care.
I read an incredibly interesting study that reviewed contact time fathers asked /demanded in court Vs what they got Vs what they actually committed to post divorce a couple of years ago. I can't remember the specific stats but I was staggering by the delta (it was something mad like 2/3rds of Dad's who asked for 50/50, got 8 days per month and 18m later only saw their child 4 days per month on average) 🤯

Regarding a second child and siblings - the sooner you leave the more likely that door is to be open for you. I had/will have had my DC at 38&40. Carpe Diem etc etc

HenndigoOZ · 19/01/2024 06:18

I left my ex H in a similar situation. I would take your DC to a psychologist for some sessions so that you can get an external understanding of how she is being affected by his behaviour. Getting feedback from the psychologist helped clarify my thinking, as he was very concerned about her. DC seemed superficially OK at 9 but was experiencing terrible anxiety by age 12 just when she hit puberty. By then ex H was making nasty comments about her chest, her backside - which affects her even now as a young adult.
Have not regretted going not even one moment. It’s so good not having to deal with the rages and nastiness.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/01/2024 06:30

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Were your parents abusive?.

you are the boiled frog in this relationship but it’s not too late to leave even now.
Better also to be from a so called broken home than to remain in one.

You have a choice re this man , your daughter does not. If you remain with your she is very likely to end up in abusive relationships herself. She is learning a whole lot of damaging lessons about relationships from you both. I would urge you to contact both Women’s Aid and a local firm
of solicitors re divorce.

ArnieLinson · 19/01/2024 06:37

millionth episode of 'd' H sulking
This id bad enough to not continue with the marriage. The rest of his shitty behaviour towards uour child should have confirmed it.