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Is this abusive? H and DC

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westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 01:09

Got home tonight after the millionth episode of 'd' H sulking on a nice outing with the dc and i feel incredibly bleak. I would really appreciate a sense check on what happened. I have been in therapy for a while trying to decide whether our marriage is over for several reasons. One of the main ones being how he cannot rein in his moods around dc, and how I have become accustomed to walking on eggshells.

We went out for dinner at his suggestion after dc had a long school day (start at 8, finished afterschool at 5.30). dc is 9 and i suspect becoming a little bit hormonal as she is more emotional these days). Everything seemed fine then we started talking about the Narnia audiobooks dc is listening to that she got for xmas, and i inadvertently gave a 'spoiler' that involves some death, about the last book (sorry-- i dont want to give a spoiler again!) Dc got upset that this death happened and got a little bit teary, i felt terrible, but it opened a good conversation about how CS Lewis was religious and so believed in God and the afterlife and this inspired many of his books, and also that children's books were a little different in the old days perhaps because they were written during/after WW2 when children had to be more comfortable with scary ideas like death (I'm a historian and dc loves history so we do tend to get into these chats.)

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

Writing it out, i know it sounds bad. And it is. But it is also very normal for him. He's had scenes like this on holidays and meals out and at home and when his mood takes over he can't rein it in for dc or me. Often leads to a blowout argument which i try and diffuse if dc is there but he will then shut the door to our room and raise his voice/swear anyway. He cannot tolerate normal dc behaviour. When she was a toddler he would get angry if she was afraid of the dark or if she acted crazy during a long movie. We have clashed over it so many times. He has no patience. Even his mum tells him 'she's just a kid'. He is too strict when i'm not around and i dont really like leaving them together for that reason sometimes. I was out for 2hrs working the other day and by the time i came back he had confiscated her nintendo because she didn't get dressed fast enough.

He has a lot of resentment toward me because i had a short emotional affair which i confessed to quickly, in a very dark time in our marriage during covid when we had a separation, and i know this and i have apologised so many times but i now just think we might be done. I am tired of him ruining a nice evening out or whatever. Me and dc had the chat about the book, moved on, and had a nice dinner. He chose to seethe and get more worked up.

This isn't right, is it?

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OpheliaHamlet · 19/01/2024 10:08

He sounds exactly like my father. Please leave. My mother finally did, when I was 16, but a lot of damage was already done.

Caffeinedetox · 19/01/2024 10:10

He gets angry because she is "too chatty"??? Wow. Regarding your EA, if it was during Covid (3-4 years ago) and you said he has been like this since your DD was a toddler, I honestly don't blame you.

Having said that, I wouldn't have another affair. You need to leave. He is not a good dad, he is not a good husband and he isn't a good person. I personally wouldn't want my child to be around someone like that for a moment longer.

Also bear in mind the next few years your DD will change personality even more (I have a DSD who is almost 12 and she has changed so much since starting high school!). Do you really want him around when she's starting to hit puberty, get her period, act hormonally and emotionally? If he can't deal with her being "too chatty", eating loudly or being afraid of the dark then he certainly isn't going to be able to deal with the teenage years and what's to come... And it will also have a massively negative effect on your DD who will need support from her parents more than ever.

AgnesX · 19/01/2024 10:15

He sounds like a complete shit. Your poor daughter.

I think you seriously need to consider calling time in this, if only for her.

roses321 · 19/01/2024 10:16

Got home tonight after the millionth episode of 'd' H sulking on a nice outing with the dc and i feel incredibly bleak. I would really appreciate a sense check on what happened. I have been in therapy for a while trying to decide whether our marriage is over for several reasons. One of the main ones being how he cannot rein in his moods around dc, and how I have become accustomed to walking on eggshells.

We went out for dinner at his suggestion after dc had a long school day (start at 8, finished afterschool at 5.30). dc is 9 and i suspect becoming a little bit hormonal as she is more emotional these days). Everything seemed fine then we started talking about the Narnia audiobooks dc is listening to that she got for xmas, and i inadvertently gave a 'spoiler' that involves some death, about the last book (sorry-- i dont want to give a spoiler again!) Dc got upset that this death happened and got a little bit teary, i felt terrible, but it opened a good conversation about how CS Lewis was religious and so believed in God and the afterlife and this inspired many of his books, and also that children's books were a little different in the old days perhaps because they were written during/after WW2 when children had to be more comfortable with scary ideas like death (I'm a historian and dc loves history so we do tend to get into these chats.)

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

Writing it out, i know it sounds bad. And it is. But it is also very normal for him. He's had scenes like this on holidays and meals out and at home and when his mood takes over he can't rein it in for dc or me. Often leads to a blowout argument which i try and diffuse if dc is there but he will then shut the door to our room and raise his voice/swear anyway. He cannot tolerate normal dc behaviour. When she was a toddler he would get angry if she was afraid of the dark or if she acted crazy during a long movie. We have clashed over it so many times. He has no patience. Even his mum tells him 'she's just a kid'. He is too strict when i'm not around and i dont really like leaving them together for that reason sometimes. I was out for 2hrs working the other day and by the time i came back he had confiscated her nintendo because she didn't get dressed fast enough.

He has a lot of resentment toward me because i had a short emotional affair which i confessed to quickly, in a very dark time in our marriage during covid when we had a separation, and i know this and i have apologised so many times but i now just think we might be done. I am tired of him ruining a nice evening out or whatever. Me and dc had the chat about the book, moved on, and had a nice dinner. He chose to seethe and get more worked up.

This isn't right, is it?

Please read the bits I've highlighted. It may help you to see exactly what you're dealing with.
This isn't because of an affair you had, this is who he is. And no, it is not right. It will also not get better. Ask me how I know.

IHateLegDay · 19/01/2024 10:23

'I wish i had the courage years ago to leave.'

In 5 years time do you want to be saying this again or do you want to be saying "I'm so glad I left."?

PurpleSparkledPixie · 19/01/2024 10:24

A man is emotionally and mentally abusing a child whilst the mother seeks therapy for herself.

^ Read that back to yourself OP. Can you see how wrong that is? Just leave and start protecting your child properly. Even his own mother can see what is happening but you are the only one who can DO something.

quisensoucie · 19/01/2024 10:28

Is she his child or step?

pinkyredrose · 19/01/2024 10:32

Why did you get back with him?

He sounds like a nasty piece of work. Please get your daughter away from this bully. She's learning that this is how men treat women.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 19/01/2024 10:38

Jeez! He’s a bully and you and your DD are walking on eggshells around him to placate him.

You will never placate him.

Best thing you can do for your DD and yourself is to leave him. Sooner rather than later too.

barkymcbark · 19/01/2024 10:55

He's emotionally abusing you and your daughter. You have the choice to leave or put up with this. Your daughter doesn't. Give your daughter the best gift you could ever give her and remove yourself and her from this environment

onedaysdream · 19/01/2024 11:10

Reading through this thread has stopped me in my tracks so thank you for posting... I don't have any advice but unfortunately recognise the situation very well.
We've had so many similar situations where DP would be saying that the meal was being "ruined", that DC aren't "grateful" for all the money that gets spent on them, why do other families get to do these things and we can't do simple things etc... Recently he's even walked off during days out or refused last minute to come with us if DC aren't "behaving".
The problem I've had is that some of DC's behaviours genuinely can be challenging for us all as DC has anxiety which means he sometimes can't cope with things and has meltdowns that can be very hard to deal with (even violent at times). So because of that I think I've made too many excuses for DP being irritated by DC. But in reality it's not just the meltdowns these days that DP gets irritated with... he points out that DC is on his phone "again", points out if DC hasn't put something away, if DC isn't sitting "nicely" at the table etc. It's not as direct as calling DC ridiculous but it still feels like so much subtle criticism and nothing positive to say. Then when DC doesn't engage with DP much he sulks that he's being ignored...
I'll be following this thread with interest as it's given me a lot to think about, thank you.

rockstarshoes · 19/01/2024 13:13

Onedaysdream have you ever considered that your son is anxious because of the way he's been treated by his dad, rather than the other way round?

westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 14:06

H started an argument with me (both wfh today) as soon as i got back from taking dc to school, about this. Apparently dc is not normal for her age and acts like a baby, and i dont respect, or listen to him when he tells me what to do with her. The thing is, i do listen but if i don't agree, he gets angry. There's a difference between listening and agreeing. For someone who controls with his moods he really claims to be a passive person and that i'm controlling and abusive, and its a head fuck tbh when i know last night happened. He's just shouted at me, said i only think of myself, that i have a problem with men. I'm trying to work and get laundry done and i am dreading the weekend. This has been our life for 7 years.

Btw im sorry if this is a drip feed, but dc is not his bio child. We got together when she just turned 2. I dont think that should make a difference. I will say he has always provided for her and that is one of my main reasons for making excsuses for him and feeling guilty.

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Evasmissingletter · 19/01/2024 14:09

“Is this abusive?”….Yes

Missingmyusername · 19/01/2024 14:09

Your husband is the problem here.

Your poor DD, it sounds emotionally abusive to me. He’s gaslighting a child.

He’s a shit.

Missingmyusername · 19/01/2024 14:10

And you don’t sound very happy OP- why are you with him.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 19/01/2024 14:12

westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 14:06

H started an argument with me (both wfh today) as soon as i got back from taking dc to school, about this. Apparently dc is not normal for her age and acts like a baby, and i dont respect, or listen to him when he tells me what to do with her. The thing is, i do listen but if i don't agree, he gets angry. There's a difference between listening and agreeing. For someone who controls with his moods he really claims to be a passive person and that i'm controlling and abusive, and its a head fuck tbh when i know last night happened. He's just shouted at me, said i only think of myself, that i have a problem with men. I'm trying to work and get laundry done and i am dreading the weekend. This has been our life for 7 years.

Btw im sorry if this is a drip feed, but dc is not his bio child. We got together when she just turned 2. I dont think that should make a difference. I will say he has always provided for her and that is one of my main reasons for making excsuses for him and feeling guilty.

Edited

That's a massive drip feed.

Why are you subjecting her to her step-father continually being emotionally abusive to her?

What is stopping you walking away?

whatsitcalledwhen · 19/01/2024 14:15

Your poor DD is being bullied in her own home. Name called, mocked, put down, her confidence being knocked repeatedly and frequently. I don't know how you can even look at him let alone share a bed with him.

You know you need to leave him, right?

You're teaching her that this is what a relationship looks like. That when she's an adult, she should expect her partner to call her names, mock her and put her down because that's an acceptable way for her to be treated.

Wouldn't that break your heart? The longer you stay with him, the more likely it is she'll replicate the dynamic in her adult life.

You need to put her future first. Being bullied in what should be a safe space, your own home, is so hugely damaging. Especially when the other parent (you) may say it's not ok, but continues the relationship. Actions speak louder than words.

Put her first. End the relationship.

ohdamnitjanet · 19/01/2024 14:16

He’s a pig. Imagine how nice, peaceful, and happy you and your delightful and clever daughter could be without this horrible man in your lives.

countbackfromten · 19/01/2024 14:18

That is the biggest of drip feeds. He is vile to her and you are allowing it to happen. Your poor daughter.

Sorchamarie · 19/01/2024 14:19

This is horrific to read. Your poor poor daughter being abused by this man. He is NOT her father. Please please start seeing how truly bad this situation is for her (and you!) and get this awful man away from your innocent child before he does any more damage to her.

Newnamesameoldlurker · 19/01/2024 14:19

whatsitcalledwhen · 19/01/2024 14:15

Your poor DD is being bullied in her own home. Name called, mocked, put down, her confidence being knocked repeatedly and frequently. I don't know how you can even look at him let alone share a bed with him.

You know you need to leave him, right?

You're teaching her that this is what a relationship looks like. That when she's an adult, she should expect her partner to call her names, mock her and put her down because that's an acceptable way for her to be treated.

Wouldn't that break your heart? The longer you stay with him, the more likely it is she'll replicate the dynamic in her adult life.

You need to put her future first. Being bullied in what should be a safe space, your own home, is so hugely damaging. Especially when the other parent (you) may say it's not ok, but continues the relationship. Actions speak louder than words.

Put her first. End the relationship.

Agree with this post completely. OP I know it will be hard to leave but you can do hard things. Keep focused on your dd's mental health and her future relationship with you (as she will certainly resent you in future if you keep this stepdad in her life, as pp have said he will find even more to criticise when she goes through puberty). Hugs to you - you've got this! You sound like a lovely mum. Keep posting here if you need more support and motivation to follow through on leaving.

3peassuit · 19/01/2024 14:24

Your poor DD. You need to get her out of this toxic environment before her father breaks her spirit.

Venturini · 19/01/2024 14:25

HUGE drip feed. Why are you subjecting your daughter to this man?? Sweet Jesus

westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 14:26

I was in a terrible place when i met him. i have always had MH issues, i think i have a form of ptsd from my childhood, but these have been worsened since i got together with DDs bio dad who was abusive and he left when i was pregnant, then came back and left again twice until leaving for good when she was a few months old. I had no money and had to slowly change careers/retrain and we lived in my mums spare room. I used to be in the performing arts and had to stop when i was pregnant. I had terrible post natal depression and anxiety. Excuses, excuses probably but this is what ive been trying to get around in therapy, because i found it almost impossible to accept the idea of my relationship ending, and convinced myself that dc needed a dad at all costs, and because he provides for us and to be fair goes through phases of being more present/better with her, that it is better than the alternative. if we left, our income would be about a quarter of what it is now and we would have to move into 1 bed flat or move very far away back to family. But then, last night, i just thought - fuck this. It was diifferent. And this morning when he started saying i don't give dc boundaries, that she's not normal for her age, that i only care about being seen as a 'good mum', I still feel that way. Like we could move into that 1 bed flat and at least i would have some calm.

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