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Is this abusive? H and DC

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westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 01:09

Got home tonight after the millionth episode of 'd' H sulking on a nice outing with the dc and i feel incredibly bleak. I would really appreciate a sense check on what happened. I have been in therapy for a while trying to decide whether our marriage is over for several reasons. One of the main ones being how he cannot rein in his moods around dc, and how I have become accustomed to walking on eggshells.

We went out for dinner at his suggestion after dc had a long school day (start at 8, finished afterschool at 5.30). dc is 9 and i suspect becoming a little bit hormonal as she is more emotional these days). Everything seemed fine then we started talking about the Narnia audiobooks dc is listening to that she got for xmas, and i inadvertently gave a 'spoiler' that involves some death, about the last book (sorry-- i dont want to give a spoiler again!) Dc got upset that this death happened and got a little bit teary, i felt terrible, but it opened a good conversation about how CS Lewis was religious and so believed in God and the afterlife and this inspired many of his books, and also that children's books were a little different in the old days perhaps because they were written during/after WW2 when children had to be more comfortable with scary ideas like death (I'm a historian and dc loves history so we do tend to get into these chats.)

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

Writing it out, i know it sounds bad. And it is. But it is also very normal for him. He's had scenes like this on holidays and meals out and at home and when his mood takes over he can't rein it in for dc or me. Often leads to a blowout argument which i try and diffuse if dc is there but he will then shut the door to our room and raise his voice/swear anyway. He cannot tolerate normal dc behaviour. When she was a toddler he would get angry if she was afraid of the dark or if she acted crazy during a long movie. We have clashed over it so many times. He has no patience. Even his mum tells him 'she's just a kid'. He is too strict when i'm not around and i dont really like leaving them together for that reason sometimes. I was out for 2hrs working the other day and by the time i came back he had confiscated her nintendo because she didn't get dressed fast enough.

He has a lot of resentment toward me because i had a short emotional affair which i confessed to quickly, in a very dark time in our marriage during covid when we had a separation, and i know this and i have apologised so many times but i now just think we might be done. I am tired of him ruining a nice evening out or whatever. Me and dc had the chat about the book, moved on, and had a nice dinner. He chose to seethe and get more worked up.

This isn't right, is it?

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/01/2024 06:39

Trying to protect your daughter, let alone yourself, from his abuse whilst you are all under the same roof is impossible. He likes you answering him back too because that gives him an additional challenge to take you down. He will remain abusive for the rest of his days.

Do you also think that such a man will be at all bothered re seeing his dad going forward?. No but he will certainly use her as a further way of punishing you. Feel the fear and go it alone, you are basically alone in this marriage now. You are now 36, do not let this be you at 37 let alone 40.

Nonewclothes2024 · 19/01/2024 06:41

You're worried about breaking up the family, but it's a dysfunctional family.

Xmastime2023 · 19/01/2024 06:45

Sounds very much like my father, I always felt he was jealous of my mother’s attention being on me (I was an only too) interestingly he’s much better with my son’s. You are definitely not to later to go onto have more kids x

Random30 · 19/01/2024 06:50

I had one of those and didn’t leave until the youngest was 12. How I wish I had left when they were much younger.

one of the things I have learned is not to get involved in his psychodrama. There is something wrong with him, but you trying to diagnose or help him is a waste. Also a waste is trying to mediate his awfulness- it just leads to escalating bad behaviour.

You cannot be a shit parent and a good person. I know it takes so much time to get there- but honestly just leave him.

Codlingmoths · 19/01/2024 06:51

I’d leave. I’d tell him you keep telling me our daughter is spoilt rotten. She has a father who can’t bear to listen to her talk, who hates spending time with her, who ruins every family time with his moods, who is actively unkind to her when she is upset or unwell, she’s a young child with a dad who actively dislikes her on good days, that’s the opposite of spoilt, that’s having a tough childhood. The only spoilt one here is you, spoilt rotten by my putting up with you for so long but it’s well past time to grow up. You will have to work out how on your own, our daughter and I both deserve better than to have to put up with you anymore.

chocolateisavegetable · 19/01/2024 06:56

I’m going to isolate one sentence from your post: “i dont really like leaving them together”

That really says it all

Darhon · 19/01/2024 07:21

Just go. With my ex, the moods were mainly aimed at me. But the kids picked up on it and were damaged by it and the 2 eldest, by then well into their teens were glad we split up. I wish I’d gone at least 3 years before I did but I couldn’t easily afford to go with 3 kids and I knew it would be hard. If you can get out easily, please do. It won’t get better and he’ll struggle with her as a teen.

2jacqi · 19/01/2024 07:21

@westofnarnia it is always very difficult when the older child feel they do not get enough attention from mum. they have to blame the younger child at all times!! bin him!

FlamingoQueen · 19/01/2024 07:27

Your poor dd is growing up thinking this is how men behave!

Leeeeeee101010 · 19/01/2024 07:29

It sounds like he has true contempt of family life and hates it, he’s coming across like he’s not child minded either.

no it’s not right as essentially you and your child are walking on egg shells to appease him.

he seems emotionally detached, cruel, impatient and not invested in special moments.

Op I know it seems hard to comprehend leaving and ‘breaking up a family’ as you say, but think of it this way, would you want your daughter with someone like your husband when she’s older? That’s the example your setting, did you want her in therapy as well when she’s older due to her having emotional distress because of these moments throughout her childhood. This has been going on since she was small, you can make your own family and it doesn’t have to include him.

whoscoatsthatjacket2012 · 19/01/2024 07:41

Codlingmoths · 19/01/2024 06:51

I’d leave. I’d tell him you keep telling me our daughter is spoilt rotten. She has a father who can’t bear to listen to her talk, who hates spending time with her, who ruins every family time with his moods, who is actively unkind to her when she is upset or unwell, she’s a young child with a dad who actively dislikes her on good days, that’s the opposite of spoilt, that’s having a tough childhood. The only spoilt one here is you, spoilt rotten by my putting up with you for so long but it’s well past time to grow up. You will have to work out how on your own, our daughter and I both deserve better than to have to put up with you anymore.

This is perfect.

HalloumiGeller · 19/01/2024 07:41

I think you're right and it's time to end this marriage, as its clearly making you and your daughter miserable. He sounds like an overgrown manchild to me! I cannot be arsed with people and their mood swings, it just makes everyone else have a shit time!

Endoftheroad12345 · 19/01/2024 07:49

You should leave if you can. My ex H was similar to yours and it was soul destroying. So many occasions ruined by his mood, sulking, seething, explosive outbursts, stonewalling, contempt. It was mainly directed as me but massively escalated after children. He didn’t view himself as a co parent with equal responsibility for childcare but he would deign to “help” me by taking them to the park for an hour on a Saturday morning and think he was dad of the year.

I ended the marriage in November 2022 - my kids were 8 & 4. The last year has been hellishly stressful but we have come through it. He has the kids every other weekend officially but often less. He is sooo busy with work (we do the same job and Inam
senior to him).

The stress of being a single, primary carer, full time working mother is a walk in the park compared to being married to a miserable abusive man. Leave him, be happy alone with your DD. Who knows, you might meet someone lovely (I have) and have another baby or 2! (sadly I’m too old or I would 😂)

AgentJohnson · 19/01/2024 08:10

Rip the dam plaster off! His behaviour is shameful and you sticking around waiting for his personality transplant is futile. The double standard of his outburst about a nine year old not controlling her emotions but this supposedly grown arse man acts like toddler.

Big girl pants on!

TeaGinandFags · 19/01/2024 08:14

I think you provided your own answer.

This awful man is not going to change. The only decision you have to make is for how long you want this to continue.

What exactly is it thst you're trying to hold together? At 9 your DD's opinions will be taken into consideration as as she grows older she will have more and more say on whether she wants to see him or not. It is thd child's right of contact thdt ghd courts protect, not the parent's.

Bin him and havd a good life with your DD

Melonmover · 19/01/2024 08:22

Agree with what others have posted. It’s hard but you can do this, for your daughter - it sounds like the negatives of this family unit far outweigh the benefits.

Also, if you were separated I don’t see how that’s an affair?

Brefugee · 19/01/2024 08:27

this sounds awful, OP. Why are you afraid of "breaking up" a dysfunctional family?

make a plan to leave, don't tell him. Get things done, get copies of all the paperwork you need, etc etc. Do you have independent access to funds? get that sorted asap. But don't hang around with this. Get your daughter out of the toxic atmosphere.

And sure, 9 year olds can be annoying. They can bend your ear. There are ways to teach them not to do that, that your DH hasn't tried to learn.

Venturini · 19/01/2024 08:33

He sounds like a sociopath. How can anyone get angry with a toddler being afraid of the dark? So cruel. Your poor poor daughter. I would be out of there so fast it would make his head spin.

NicholJO · 19/01/2024 08:34

Op please leave him if not for yourself but for your daughter she's 9 year old as she's getting older she will start withdrawing from him she will think she's not allowed an opinion because dad will go in to a mood I have seen this happen I had to take control and custody off my nice for this was happening to her

LadyDanburysHat · 19/01/2024 08:37

In your OP you say you are walking on eggshells all the time. Firstly that is no way for you to live. But your DC must also be the same. Don't let her grow up in this horrible environment.

RightSaidFredd0 · 19/01/2024 08:47

This was exhausting to read, I can't even imagine how you must feel

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/01/2024 08:47

Things like the you eat like an animal are throw away comments child remember and are effected by 20 years later

Lurking because I don't have DC and have no advice to give (altho your DH sounds awful and IMO you and epecially DD would be better off without him) but I'm nearly 70 and I can recall a throwaway remark a teacher made about me always forgetting things over 60 years ago. I KNEW I was dreamy and forgetful but I tried and was eager to please and that really hurt.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/01/2024 08:59

Reading your thread and came across the Nintendo bit. Your poor daughter. She's at the mercy of a vile bully when you're not there and must be wondering why you're not protecting her and what she's done to deserve this. FGS get her out. She'll be internalising that if she's being treated like this then SHE'S the one at fault.

TheAlchemistElixa · 19/01/2024 09:05

KickHimInTheCrotch · 19/01/2024 05:35

I'd be worried that if you separated he would have more unsupervised time with her not less. The courts allow all sorts of nasty individuals to have access to their children.

That is absolutely no basis on which to stay with a person who is emotionally damaging. The daughter is almost old enough to start to decide who she spends her time with anyway, and it doesn’t sound very likely that he will consistently pursue any 50/50 arrangement if he doesn’t enjoy spending time with her now.

Please don’t further trap the OP and her daughter in an unhappy place by inciting more fear.

Tinkerbyebye · 19/01/2024 10:04

Put your child first. Leave

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