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Just slapped my OH around the face before with finishing him

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lemonbabe · 29/08/2023 21:44

…and now I’m feeling dreadful😥Very long story short … together 7 years, blended family, 2 teenagers each. Years of me trying to instil some form of normality here since he has never educated his kids in any way, shape or form. Every time there’s been a problem with the kids he goes into complete denial and if I persist he just loses it with me. We had an argument yesterday ( I had a go at my 18 year old for leaving a messy sink load of pots, eating his dinner in his newly-decorated bedroom at midnight, and (very probably) smoking in there to boot. OH said I create stress and a bad atmosphere when I have a go at the kids. I said I had to get out, meaning go for a walk to think about more pleasant things … I said to him that it would’ve been nice to have had some parental support from him whilst I ranted for 10 minutes whilst he turned mute. He the lost it completely and started yelling at me in the street as I left to go for a walk. Things got worse tonight because he refuses to talk -lost it again when I tried to mention the state of our relationship. He turned around and said ‘yeah and my daughter went to her mothers yesterday because of you shouting’. That was the red flag to the bull for me I’m afraid. I slapped his face and told him I was done with him. He said ´ok’

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 16:40

pinksheetss · 30/08/2023 13:58

Some of these comments are disgusting

@GilbertMarkham you should really take a step back and think about what you are saying here

ONE slap is domestic violence.

Just asking has answered that.

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 16:41

bookworm44 · 30/08/2023 15:37

And maybe next time it won't be just a slap. Just maybe it's s slippery slope that will escalate. It doesn't matter what size anybody is if a knife is involved.

You think an average man and woman have equal chance of injuring or killing someone of the opposite sex with a knife?

Lol.

No wonder there are such whacky posts on this thread.

Turfwars · 30/08/2023 16:42

@Wiccan
Your poor mum. You were smart enough to see at a young age what I couldn't in my late twenties. I hope you both are long rid of him.

I've come to realise that the verbal, emotional abuse, the gaslighting, the eggshells are just as damaging to a person if not more so.

AbraKedavra · 30/08/2023 16:44

justasking111 · 30/08/2023 15:04

A woman endures seven years of emotional and verbal abuse. Her stepson witnessed it during those years and calls her a whore.

She finally broke and slapped his face.

Posters on here think the man should call the police and have her charged with physical abuse.

I've read all her posts now and am so confused. Are we living in a male dominated regime must we accept our punishment if it's only verbal from our partner and his offspring.

Should I accept our culture has changed now?

I agree with you. However I'd also think the slap was justified if the genders were reversed.

I'm not saying getting beaten up for a frown is justified, but I don't think there's really a great distinction between severe verbal abuse and minor physical violence. If you wipe the floor with someone and are really verbally nasty to them, perhaps you should expect you might get slapped. Not the end of the world.

user1483387154 · 30/08/2023 16:46

Wiccan · 30/08/2023 16:37

Because she was broken and a mess and couldn't cope simple as that !. This isn't about brute force it's about control . I found the strength and stopped him. And I never ever blamed her once for it .

i toally empathise , but also as a broken mess in a country i had no understanding of the language we are not to blame, and we must make the people serve justice for what they did, violence is never the answer.

Janieforever · 30/08/2023 16:50

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 16:41

You think an average man and woman have equal chance of injuring or killing someone of the opposite sex with a knife?

Lol.

No wonder there are such whacky posts on this thread.

If you think domestic violence is only about the physical you’re very wrong. Very wrong indeed. If you think it’s about who is strongest,or could win in a fight, you’re also very wrong indeed.

it’s about so much more, abuse, humiliation, control, power. So I’d really refrain from commenting until,you read up on it. And yes, a woman can absolutely hurt a man, and badly. Some of the female abuse cases have been beyond heinous in what they have done to their male partners.

the op has defended herself robustly. Not shying away from pointing out how it was his fault, in fact eagerly doing so. He made her do it.

is she right now making plans to leave, getting out of there. Or desperately trying to stay in. The abuser does the latter. Someone who understands the toxicity of the relationship, does not.

RachaelAnn · 30/08/2023 16:53

Seems like you're a poor match. He doesn't get that you're trying to put into place some sort of order and takes it as you being difficult or moany, etc. He doesn't see things how you do and you live your life very differently with different priorities.
He goaded and he pushed you to the edge, resulting in you giving him a slap, it's not the crime of the century as some would have you believe on here and he isn't an innocent party either. You're thoroughly ashamed, I'm sure.
Take this as a sign OP, you aren't good for each other! Get things in order and move on.

Wiccan · 30/08/2023 16:58

Turfwars · 30/08/2023 16:42

@Wiccan
Your poor mum. You were smart enough to see at a young age what I couldn't in my late twenties. I hope you both are long rid of him.

I've come to realise that the verbal, emotional abuse, the gaslighting, the eggshells are just as damaging to a person if not more so.

Many thanks 🙏 he died thank god and my mum had a great life without him and I watched over her . She died 2 years ago so us at peace now .

Allthecheeseplease · 30/08/2023 17:15

AllOfThemWitches · 29/08/2023 22:26

And there is a difference between a woman slapping a man coz she lost her shit to a man deliberately intimidating and intending to cause harm to a woman. No matter how much you pretend otherwise.

Would it be ok if a woman "goaded" a man and he hit her? No.

bookworm44 · 30/08/2023 17:24

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 16:41

You think an average man and woman have equal chance of injuring or killing someone of the opposite sex with a knife?

Lol.

No wonder there are such whacky posts on this thread.

My Mother is 5 foot nothing, when she poured boiling hot oil straight from the chip pan over my 6 foot step dad's head and face his size was irrelevant and did nothing to protect him.

Lol

There are indeed some whacky ideas on this thread. Couldn't agree more.

OliveToboogie · 30/08/2023 17:27

Sounds toxic. Time for both of you to move on. Physically violence no coming back from.

AllOfThemWitches · 30/08/2023 17:41

Would it be ok if a woman "goaded" a man and he hit her? No.

As I've basically already said, men and women are really different and I believe most men who hit their partners intend to actually intimidate and hurt them.

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 17:57

AllOfThemWitches · 30/08/2023 17:41

Would it be ok if a woman "goaded" a man and he hit her? No.

As I've basically already said, men and women are really different and I believe most men who hit their partners intend to actually intimidate and hurt them.

Plenty of women who hit their partners also intend to hurt them otherwise why use force?

AllOfThemWitches · 30/08/2023 18:10

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 17:57

Plenty of women who hit their partners also intend to hurt them otherwise why use force?

I think many women know they're not capable of inflicting any damage on their male partners by slapping them.

RandomForest · 30/08/2023 18:11

This relationship's going no where.

End it.

I'm gathering you arn't married, you need to work on finding a safe and secure home for you and the children.

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:13

@AllOfThemWitches there's more hurt than physical. Emotional, psychological etc. all comes with the physical abuse. It can actually cause a lot of trauma, as I've seen with DH. It should not be minimised.

AllOfThemWitches · 30/08/2023 18:15

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:13

@AllOfThemWitches there's more hurt than physical. Emotional, psychological etc. all comes with the physical abuse. It can actually cause a lot of trauma, as I've seen with DH. It should not be minimised.

OK, I should have specified 'physical' damage. I'm obviously not saying women aren't capable of cruelty.

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:16

@AllOfThemWitches A slap still hurts whether it does damage or not. It's still violence and still assault. This is why men don't come forward and suffer in silence and also why they are not taken seriously because the should just "man up" and deal with it.

AllOfThemWitches · 30/08/2023 18:18

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:16

@AllOfThemWitches A slap still hurts whether it does damage or not. It's still violence and still assault. This is why men don't come forward and suffer in silence and also why they are not taken seriously because the should just "man up" and deal with it.

Right, so the poster upthread who said she punched her mentally abusive father? You think that was wrong of her?

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:20

@AllOfThemWitches Did he attack her at all? I missed the post.

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 19:16

Janieforever · 30/08/2023 16:50

If you think domestic violence is only about the physical you’re very wrong. Very wrong indeed. If you think it’s about who is strongest,or could win in a fight, you’re also very wrong indeed.

it’s about so much more, abuse, humiliation, control, power. So I’d really refrain from commenting until,you read up on it. And yes, a woman can absolutely hurt a man, and badly. Some of the female abuse cases have been beyond heinous in what they have done to their male partners.

the op has defended herself robustly. Not shying away from pointing out how it was his fault, in fact eagerly doing so. He made her do it.

is she right now making plans to leave, getting out of there. Or desperately trying to stay in. The abuser does the latter. Someone who understands the toxicity of the relationship, does not.

I responded to this post;

And maybe next time it won't be just a slap. Just maybe it's s slippery slope that will escalate. It doesn't matter what size anybody is if a knife is involved

Which his entirely about physical violence.

I have no idea why you've gone off on the tangent you've gone off on.

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 19:18

bookworm44 · 30/08/2023 17:24

My Mother is 5 foot nothing, when she poured boiling hot oil straight from the chip pan over my 6 foot step dad's head and face his size was irrelevant and did nothing to protect him.

Lol

There are indeed some whacky ideas on this thread. Couldn't agree more.

I take it he was sitting down with his back to her.

And what did he do in response?

And what was the context of your mother doing this?

Is she a psychopath?

Psychopathic women will certainly use the element of surprise and weapons to hurt men etc sometimes.

But they are a drop in the ocean compared to male violence and killing of women by men.

That is the bottom line.

GilbertMarkham · 30/08/2023 19:22

The other bottom line is that if a male and female get into a violent altercation, started by either side (though they are usually started by men) the women will not win 9/10.

With this level of delusion, perhaps some posters should move to the gender threads and argue men are women too.

Aneuploidy · 30/08/2023 19:23

Ive been in a physically abusive relationship and a narcissistic relationship, which both left me dealing with distress, severe anxiety, and trauma, to the point of a break down, and going for psychodynamic therapy.

No disrespect, but i think half the answers so far have been black & white thinking! Claiming she "assaulted" him with a slap after being shouted at is a bit over-dramatic and irrational. We don't really know the extent of the argument. We are just hearing one side of a story. A story lemonbabes has admitted to. But we still don't know if he was abusive or threatening. If she hits him again, then there's a problem, and he needs to leave. If he is continually shouting at her, then she needs to leave. All couples argue and fight, but that doesn't mean its an unhealthy relationship, its just their dynamic. I think its fair to give friends, partners, and family the benefit of the doubt, because you would want the same if you made a minor or detrimental mistake. Especially if it doesn't happen again.

Firstly, you have to define "violence", "assault" or "abuse", and there's a very fine line. To be classed as domestic violence, it has to be reoccurring physical abuse. Same with emotional abuse, it has to be reoccurring. And that includes gaslighting. You can't gaslight someone once. Its done repeatly over time.

Did you know that the "Child Law Advice" for the UK, America, and Canada states that it's not illegal to smack a child. Its legal discipline under certain circumstances, as long as it amounts to reasonable punishment. Babysitters aren't allowed to smack, unless given permission by parents. And that's not domestic violence. DV is something specific. Also, is it violence, assault, or abuse on your part if you attack an intruder who has broken into your house, use self-defence against a threatening situation in the street, or is it emotional abuse or emotional invalidation if you have an argument and say mean things to each other? None of that is violent, assault, or abuse. I got slapped as a teenager for back-chatting my mum. She's not a domestic violence abuser! Like i said, there's a very fine line under certain circumstances, otherwise half the mothers or fathers on here would be abusers!

Secondly, lemonbabe feels dreadful, and has took responsibility for her actions. Probably sees her slap as a mistake that won't happen again. That also shows some sort of empathy. And slapping cannot happen again, ok lemonbabes. But...

In response to lemonbabes original post: You have to realise that what you are doing is Triangulation. That's where you come onto this forum and involve other people in a two-person conflict, and you use indirect communication behind his back. Its passive aggressive. The goal of triangulation is deflecting tension, validation, and to divide & conquer. Most people are unaware that they do this behaviour. I think you have a slight superiority complex too, and are being too judgemental about the way he educates "his kids". Remember that he was a single dad, and has done a good enough job before he met you, and up until now with you. You's have been together 7 years, and you still see his kids as not yours, and you talk about you trying to instil some form of normality! Implying that his way isn't normal or not good enough. You're in it together, it isn't a competition. You're both step-parents, wither you're married or not. It should be equal and shared responsibility and parenting.

He turned mute (shut down) as a defence mechanism to avoid drama, stress or anxiety, and when you said "then he completely lost it", that's known as Reactive Abuse. And reactive abuse isn't "abuse", its him reacting to the stress of being ranted at or shouted at. It could also be reactive abuse in why you slapped him, as in you reacting to his verbal abuse (shouting). In other cases, an example of reactive abuse is if a toxic person bully's someone physically or emotionally, and the victim reacts with anger, verbal abuse or an attack (usually in public), then the bully plays the victim. Its complex and complicated.

If he's now refusing to talk about it, then you need to figure out wither he just needs time to himself to de-stress, is giving you the silent treatment, or wither he is stonewalling you. Sometimes the silent treatment is a way to avoid conflict, but it never solves anything, it just builds up resentment. If he's stonewalling you, that usually means its his way of punishing you, but that usually lasts for days, and is a refusal to ever talk about it, so its good to know the difference between those three.

You talk about the red flags in his behaviour, but you have to remember that a red flag actually means danger. If there's danger, you need to leave, not just for your sake, but the kids safety. Since the rise of social media, red flags are exaggerated online, and everything seems to be a red flag these days, when its not. Relationships are also portrayed on social media as perfect, when that's not reality. All relationships have conflicts, and without conflict, nothing is being decided. And that's where you set boundaries. So, you's should do that as soon as possible. Sit down and talk about everything.

I think you need to self-reflect too. Look at your part in all this instead of just blaming him for lack of normality. You need to communicate better with him too, especially if you want more support. Apologise to each other, and try not to let arguments ruin your relationship, and never raise your hands. Consider couple councilling. If he doesn't consider that option or isn't supportive in general, then why are you together!

Wiccan · 30/08/2023 19:37

GrannyGoggins · 30/08/2023 18:20

@AllOfThemWitches Did he attack her at all? I missed the post.

No he didn't because he didn't frighten me. He saved that behaviour for the person he could control my mum . He was a pathetic coward who preyed on vulnerability.

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