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Is he depressed or having an affair!?

214 replies

Mumma2Ro · 10/07/2023 23:36

Things have been different with my husband for a couple of months now.

He has been moody with me- like everything I say annoys him. He has been showing me very little affection, not interested in sex (which is very unlike him!), not saying I love you as much, being short with me on messages. I’m pussy footing around him like a silly girl worried incase I say the wrong thing etc!

we had a deep conversation about a month ago as I was concerned. He said he doesn’t feel himself right now, he doesn’t feel happy and he doesn’t know why. He can’t put his finger on it. He said he doesn’t know if it’s me, us, work, financial worries etc.

he had a huge argument and falling out with some big bosses at work recently- he was suspended etc and has since found another job which he starts soon.

we had a great weekend at a family wedding, things felt normal again! We had a few drinks together, we danced, we kissed, we had sex. We had a laugh! And I felt like I had my husband back.

but come this evening he has switched again saying he isn’t feeling too good mentally today. he has been having weekly teams meetings with a counsellor to help him try and figure things out. He said the counsellor mentioned something about a retreat being something to look into for him!

sorry what…… now I’m confused! Have you ever heard of a retreat for depressed men??

as soon as he mentioned this my thoughts are running away with me. Is he having an affair and using his mental health to cover up the way he is action towards me?? I’m so confused. Am I being paranoid ??

this may sound a bit selfish but I’m getting very upset not knowing where I stand with him. Does he like me today? Am I gonna piss him off today ?

I miss my husband terribly :’( any advice ?

OP posts:
Turmerictolly · 11/07/2023 12:04

Doesn't sound like an affair to me. He's had a difficult and stressful time at work and a falling out with his parents which you say has affected him deeply. I would say he's depressed.

80s · 11/07/2023 12:18

Unfortunately, when people go through major changes in their lives, it can sometimes make them reassess their life and/or make decisions that they might not otherwise make.

My exh had also gone through very stressful times, and it was doubtless part of the reason why he had an affair: he was feeling bad, seeing everything in a new light, and feeling like he should just do what he fancied to cheer himself up in the short term. He was vulnerable and fell in love all the harder.

You don't know for sure what is going on, but he is annoyed with you and treating you coldly for reasons that are not your fault. He's telling you that his issues might be about your relationship. An affair is certainly a possibility.

Jongleterre · 11/07/2023 12:30

If you had a good marriage he would be leaning on you not pulling away in times of stress.

He's checked out in his mind but is lingering perhaps out of guilt or finances.

Chewbaccaslime · 11/07/2023 12:43

I've been in a similar situation to where you are OP. Currently in the midst of it all at the moment. We are currently separating.

My best advice is to forget about him completely and focus on yourself. You can't fix him and he might need to leave and do that himself. Find out where you would be financially if you split. Work out what you would like to see in terms of childcare split etc. Think long and hard about all of the wonderful things you can do for yourself without him there.

Then take control of the situation. My husband came out with it all 'I'm depressed, don't know if I love you anymore, I'm a border line alcoholic, I need time alone.' So I told him to leave but that I expected him to take the kids so many days a week.

It's scary going it alone. I still can't quite believe I'm doing this. It's early days yet but I already feel so much more happier and free since he has gone. It helps that he hasn't checked out of being a dad. We just both checked out of our relationship a long time ago.

Chewbaccaslime · 11/07/2023 12:46

I'm still undecided about whether or not there is someone else TBH. Maybe naively I don't think there is. But I realised that I don't care even if there is. That's how stale it got between us.

80s · 11/07/2023 12:49

I'm still undecided about whether or not there is someone else TBH. Maybe naively I don't think there is. But I realised that I don't care even if there is.
That's a really good insight,* *@Chewbaccaslime - I wish I'd seen it earlier than I did. Their behaviour is enough.

LadyJ2023 · 11/07/2023 12:54

Oh for goodness sake afair really...tbh the poor guy sounds utterly depressed and all the losing job, no sex,not being able to pin what's wrong are classic signs of very bad depression and you need to get him to the Dr's for proper help. This happened my hubby 6 years ago and I convinced him to go to drs as went from happy family to living on egg shells with everything. 6 months later he was back to normal after meds and after 8 months didn't need the meds again and it hasn't recurred again

gotmychristmasmiracle · 11/07/2023 13:03

Sorry I think affair too 😥 start this way with exh depression, not being happy etc. I would just ask him straight out if I were you? Forget pandering to him! Xx

DRS1970 · 11/07/2023 13:06

Hi, I just wanted to share that I have Bipolar disorder. And years back when I was really struggling with the depressive side I was offered a 4+ week retreat. Which involved group sessions, one to one sessions, therapeutic activities etc... So I can confirm it is definitely a thing.

theleafandnotthetree · 11/07/2023 13:08

No wonder men are slow to talk about their feelings/admit to depression etc if the first thing to think of at any sign of struggle is an affair. Maybe he is having one but a far more likely scenario is that two key pillars of his identity- his family of origin and his work - have been shaken in a very short space of time and he is struggling with these. We hear lots of talk about men's mental health but that's mostly what it is - talk. When it comes down to it, they are expected to soldier on and STFU.

Mumma2Ro · 11/07/2023 13:18

Bookworm20 · 11/07/2023 11:45

Do you know why he was suspended from his job? You say an argument with his bosses, but what was it over? And is it what he is saying its over that you have to go on or is there proper paperwork etc detailing the issues leading to his suspension. I mean suspension usually isn't the first thing that happens, theres often other disciplinary measures before that unless its something really serious. Has anyone from his old work been in touch with him since he left?

Honestly, it could be either. If it was affair at work, he has now left. Does he work far from where he did before? Is he out alot at hobbies, working late, business dinners etc? Is he constantly attached to his phone? Did his new work set him up with the councelling, because thats unusual too for someone who has just started somewhere.

It could also be depression. Although the fact he has said he 'doesn't know' and has included you in one of the possible reasons does lean more towards affair unfortunately. If he was depressed with just work and life in general, thats basically what he'd say. But hes added you in to that. Not even as a general 'family life is a bit stressful right now'.

I think its a watch and wait situation OP.

Yes he has told me what happened with work. He has had a disciplinary hearing, received paperwork via special delivery etc
Yes he has been speaking to some of his colleagues- he plays darts with them every Wednesday.

His new job is no where near where his old job was. He plays darts once a week but thats it. Doesn't go out drinking, doesn't go in business dinners or anything like that. He is always on his phone yes but he it watching shit videos on fb and Instagram (i can hear the videos and see what he is watching)
It was actually his old work that set him up with the counsellor! The job he got suspended from

OP posts:
Hibiscrubbed · 11/07/2023 13:21

The Script, copied from an old thread:

MIDLIFE for Dummies

Welcome to the wonderful world of Mid Life Crisis!! You are about to embark on one of the most perilous journeys you have ever taken. A journey fraught with intrigue and guaranteed to turn you inside out! This book is designed to help you make sure you get the most emotional bang for your buck.

In these pages are the "how to" answers to the questions you have been asking yourself about damaging as many people as you can along the way. Come on and dig in, it's time to get this roller coaster rolling on down the tracks!!

Chapter 1 - Choosing the Correct Speech

There are 4 basic speeches for you to choose from. They are:

a) I love you but I don't know if I'm in love with you.

b) I've never loved you, and we should never have gotten married.

c) We got married too young. I never knew anything besides you.

d) You tricked me into marrying you, I would never have done it otherwise.

Once you have decided on which speech to give, you need to cause as much anxiety in your spouse as you can before you actually give it. Continue to the next chapter for Lessons in building anxiety.

Chapter 2 - Lessons in Building Anxiety

You will find these lessons to be helpful in causing anxiety in your spouse and others (depending on the level of pain and damage you want to cause), not just prior to giving the speech, but throughout your MLC.

Lesson 1 - Monstrification of Your Spouse

This is easy to accomplish. Simply think of only the "bad" things that your spouse has done throughout your entire relationship. Have one of those "angel" spouses? No problem, just remember how bad she always makes you feel. DO NOT under any circumstances remember fondly your spouse, or anything they have done for you. Remember, they are going to be the cause of all of your problems, so it is imperative that you convince your self of this first.

Lesson 2 - Emotional Detachment

This will be very easy to do after accomplishing lesson 1. All you have to do is start reminding yourself that you don't care about them, what they feel, what they want, or if they hurt. Simple! Every time you remind yourself of this, you will get further and further away from your relationship emotionally. Now, that wasn't too hard was it? On to lesson 3

Lesson 3 - Mass Confusion and Indecision

This lesson requires a little more thought and attention. You must constantly practice saying "I don't know" to ANY and ALL questions. That is imperative!! Your spouse (and others) must never know precisely what is going on in-side your head. Also, never let them know where you are going, where you have been, who you were with (this will go hand in hand with the lesson on the Other Person, or OP), or whether or not they can expect you to return home.

Lesson 4 - Lies and Deceit

To get the most damage, and cause the most pain, you must lie and decieve at every opportunity. And to really achieve hall of fame status, you should be very inept at it, so that everyone knows that you are lying, or suspects, but can't prove it initially. This works very well for the following chapters, OP and Cake Eating.

Chapter 3 - The Other Woman (OW)

Now it is time for you to succumb to temptation. You KNOW all of those other women want you! They have been coming on to you for years!! It is time for you to give them their chance at having some of you. Make sure that you leave a very confusing trail for your spouse to follow. One that lets them suspect, but have to dig and sneak (to make them feel worse about themselves) to find the information they need to prove it. Hold out admitting the affair as long as you can, and don't admit it ever, if you can get away with it.

Chapter 4 - Cake Eating

This chapter is designed to string your spouse along in uncertainty as long as possible, because as long as they have hope, they won't be able to go out and find their own lives and be fulfilled. Why should they get to do that, while you are so miserable? They shouldn't!! So, make sure that you are affectionate occasionally (not too often, as this will raise anxiety levels), that you drag your feet about making a decision on the marriage, and that you leave and come back several times (as many as you can get away with).

Chapter 5 - History Revision

It is very important that you revise the life you have lead with your spouse. You must use words like: Always, Ever, Never and All of the Time. Always precede the statement with the terms: you, I, and we. As in "you always nag me" "I never ever (double bonus here) get to do what I want" and "We have to do what you want all of the time". This will help to make your spouse feel like the way you are behaving is all their fault, and can cause them to feel even worse about themselves than they already did!!

Chapter 6 - It's All About You!!

Remember this is all about you! What you want and need, RIGHT NOW! You shouldn't have to wait until you can afford something, just go on out and get it! You deserve a new haircut, new clothes, and some new toys. You've worked for it. You would probably look great in that new Convertible, or on that new Harley!! So don't hesitate! You live in the here and now! So why wait until tomorrow!!

Remember, the word is CRISIS and if you are in one, EVERYONE else should have to ride the Roller coaster with you! It's no fun taking a ride alone, and you know what they say about misery loving company! Go on out there and get started, so much pain and damage, and so little time!

Chapter 7 - Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away

This chapter is to help you deal with the problems that your spouse will try to cause. We don't want you to have to "deal" with anything, now do we? You shouldn't have to "think" about any "issues" right now, except those that concern you "feeling good". The best way to handle this, is to Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away. Any time someone tries to make you see a more "reasonable" stance on a subject, simply Avoid making a reply...stare out into space, as if you are thinking about something important, and they will become uncomfortable and leave you alone.

If there are responsibilities that need your attention, simply ignore them. You don't have to do anything you don't feel like doing. And the best for last is Run Away! This can be accomplished in many different ways. OP's can help you Run Away from all of these "problems" as well as Alcohol, Drugs, New Sports Cars....etc the list is endless. Of course, you can always just leave...but remember not to let them know where you are going, and if you'll be back!!

Chapter 8 - MC and Therapists

Your spouse may ask you to go to counseling with her. This is only useful to make them feel better. It cannot possibly have anything to you so there is no reason for you to follow-up with anything suggested--it doesn't matter to you. The only thing you should look for is more reasons (excuses) for avoiding, running and ignoring (see previous chapter).

Chapter 9 - I Don't Have To if I Don't Want To and You Can't Make Me!

Remember that this is about YOU, and what YOU want and how YOU feel!! No one else is important, so don't let them make you feel as if you have to listen to anything they say. Your spouse will try to help you of course, because they love you. Don't let them get away with giving you unwanted advice. Let them know in the teenage vernacular, that they can't make you do anything.

This is important, you must be as childish as possible!! Any truly adult behavior on your part will only convince them that you are listening to what they are saying, and you will have to start back at the beginning. Of course, this technique can be used knowingly to cause more confusion and chaos, just beware of the danger, you don't actually want to start acting like an adult!!

Chapter 10 - How To Threaten and/or How To Move Out

You threaten to move out for weeks or months but you don't. ()You tell your spouse that you got too much on your plate right now to look for a flat but that you will do so in 2 weeks time. After 2 weeks, repeat from ().

If your wife wants to come too close to you, like entering your bedroom to talk to you, tell her to stay away or you will move out. When she replies that you will move out anyway tell her that you will move out faster if she comes any closer

Chapter 11 - Art of Clinging

The Art of Clinging to the End of the Mattress without falling off the matrimonial bed while still sharing it with your spouse.

Chapter 12 - Advanced Lessons

This is usually reserved for those in more difficult situations, where the LBS has responded not by tossing you out, threatening to leave, or filing for divorce, but instead persists in not only OFFERING to cooperate, but actually MAKING THE CHANGES you said you needed.

"I am tired of living like this/I don't want to live like this anymore/I am not going to live my life like this?" often is coupled with another advanced tactic, "It's not you, it's me".

This line is most effective AFTER the LBS has jumped through hoops and bent over backwards. It basically confirms that no matter what changes the LBS is willing to make, the incompatibility lies within the MLCer, who has no intention of, or implied desire or ability to, compromise.

Appendix

HOW TO MAKE YOUR SPOUSE THINK SHE IS CRAZY

  1. When confronted by the evidence of an EA or PA, become very indignant. Stress that the LBS is obviously just a jealous sob/bi*ch, and you are entitled to "buddies" of the opposite sex.
  1. Never, ever answer the question, "Are you okay? Is there something wrong?" with a direct answer that might actually lead to a discussion that might help the marriage. Continue to never talk to spouse, never give her/him a personal compliment or touch of affection and by all means work on the "cling to the edge of the mattress to avoid touching" manoeuvre that is so successful in making your spouse crazy.
  1. Always bear in mind that your spouse will expect you to want to at least give them the chance to "fix" the marriage. Since you have already checked out emotionally (of course NEVER tell them that!), you are under no obligation to actually listen to anything they say or acknowledge anything they do. This tactic is also extremely beneficial when they employ the MLC diet. When they lose a massive amount of weight and you are in ear shot of someone who mentions to spouse about the weight loss, say "Are you losing weight? Why don't you ever tell me things?"
  1. Of course one of the most successful ways to drive them crazy may only be used when you have earned the MLC Black Belt. Go to marriage counselling for months, let them pour out their soul to you and the counsellor and let them believe they are actually accomplishing something. Then arrange things so the spouse finds you in your own home with OW. This will accomplish two things: a. She will finally have to understand how lucky you are to have found your "soul mate" and b. She will be doubly betrayed because she thought you were actually working on the marriage.

DON'T LET YOUR SPOUSE GET TOO INDEPENDENT - STATEGIES FOR SUCKING YOUR SPOUSE BACK IN

  1. Make negative comments about OW or the chances that the relationship with OW will succeed. HOWEVER, under no circumstances, make any commitment to end the relationship with OW.
  1. Make veiled hints about suicide or excessive drinking or drug use. Be erratic and hard to contact.
  1. Do random acts of kindness such as garden work or something. That will keep your spouse confused and hopeful.
  1. Make vague comments hinting that things might work out between you and your spouse IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, under no circumstances take any actions to work anything out.

CUSTODY - Using the Kids To Your Advantage

If you have children, they can be extremely useful for inducing fear and panic in your spouse. Recommended phrases include, "You're poisoning my kids against me", "You put that idea into their heads", and "You need to do [insert pertinent action here] for the sake of the kids'." Remember, your spouse, being a responsible and loving person, is not only trying to cope with his/her own feelings, but trying to protect the children, and you can use that to your advantage.

Don't forget to use the fact that if you spend any time with your kids, you should get Extra Credit Bonus Good Parent points from your spouse. It doesn't matter if you feed them ice cream for breakfast and have them watch "Hellboy" when they asked for "Veggie Tales", you Just Wanted To Make Them Happy, and since YOU are the best judge of Happiness, that makes you Super Parent.

You can use this opportunity to trash talk your spouse ("Isn't this more fun than what Mommy/Daddy would let you do?" "Mom/Dad doesn't know how to relax.") which of course, will be repeated back to your spouse so you get the benefit of destroying their self-esteem second hand.

Highly advanced MLCers may want to start casually using the word Custody, but be very, very careful. While useful for sending your spouse into a state of panic, you certainly do not want to be responsible for a bunch of kids who will seriously cut into your personal fun time. The word Custody should only be used in a casual tone of voice for the most devastating effect.

BUTTON PUSHING

You (the mlcer) know a lot about your spouse. You know what pushes their buttons to get them both upset and/or happy. You have the power, you can do it! So using the kids to upset them is fair game (see section on how to use "custody" to upset them but not take on the "custody"). And if that ever stops working, find something else. Suggestions might include pets, valuables in the home, their appearance, family, career. Nothing is out of your reach since you have put in so many years getting to know your spouse--use what you know.

THE BLAME GAME

By now, you should be aware that all of this MUST be your spouse's fault, however, your spouse may not understand this completely yet, so you need to start planting the seeds.

There are several ingenious ways to put the blame on your spouse, and we will be exploring them all.

Method 1: The Non-Blame Statement

I'm trying not to blame YOU

This statement implies that you are "not putting the blame on them" but on closer look (which your spouse is guaranteed to be doing) The words actually put all of the blame on the spouse (where of course we know it belongs).

Method 2: The Passive Blame Statement

I don't think that I can live with you.
My opinion never mattered to you.
I can't live like this.
We rarely have fun anymore.
I don't want to live this way anymore.

These are passive statements that don't actually assign blame to your spouse, but your spouse will definitely get the idea if you use them. They can't help but see that it MUST be them that makes you feel this way.

Method 3: The Direct Blame Statement

You never listen to me.
You never put creases in my pants.
You use bagged salad.
You never keep the house clean.
You are going to do it your way.

All of these are direct statements of blame. You should mix actual faults with things that don't really matter to make it more confusing, and make your spouse feel as bad as possible about themselves.

Your spouse has probably already started doing the hard work to look inside his/herself (Yuck, what an awful thought!) and will take on all of the faults you list to try and correct them. This will keep them occupied for awhile, and you can avoid any serious relationship talks while they apologize for and try to fix all of their own faults.

Make sure that you don't actually accept the apology, that way you can continue to bring the fault up which will slow down their self improvement process. Remember, they are working on becoming better human beings, and you wouldn't want that to happen to fast, as that would interfere with your ability to string them along.

Note: NEVER ACTUALLY ADMIT TO ANY FAULTS OF YOUR OWN!!!! REMEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY! YOU ARE THE GOOD ONE, AND HAD THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN AFFAIR, LIE, SPEND MONEY, OR ANY OTHER THING, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BAD!!!

Let's not forget "We're just incompatible - we always were."

Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL. If all else fails, put the LBS down for being so willing to change herself for your needs. Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL."

How to keep you spouse guessing...be mean one minute threatening divorce, etc then next day be kind and sweet almost the way your spouse remembers you..rinse repeat....

HOW TO CONTINUE THE CRAZINESS ONCE SEPARATION/DIVORCE IS AGREED UPON

  1. Even though by now you, dear MLCer, have done everything human possibly to convince your spouse that you do not love him/her and want out, when the time comes to actually file, DON"T DO IT! This is the coup de gras of MLC. Absolutely DO NOT TAKE THE INITIATIVE. This is a most vital and awesome crazy-maker. Holding out will force your by now totally devastated spouse to finally throw up his/her hands and seek legal counsel.
  1. Once the LBS has had enough and decides that divorce is in their best interest, you have won HUGE points here. Refusing to be the one to file now puts YOU in the role of victim, bringing you all the attention and pity necessary to allow you to again regain your image of the abused one in all this. Now you can, with absolutely NO guilt, tell everyone the divorce was your LBS's idea (which of COURSE it was!) and they will assume that:

a. the LBS lost all that weight and obviously has been involved in an affair, and

b. the marriage ended because your LBS spouse is going through a - YES! THE PINNACLE OF CRAZINESS! - Midlife Crisis!!
Copyright The Midlife Club

Mumma2Ro · 11/07/2023 13:21

Chewbaccaslime · 11/07/2023 12:43

I've been in a similar situation to where you are OP. Currently in the midst of it all at the moment. We are currently separating.

My best advice is to forget about him completely and focus on yourself. You can't fix him and he might need to leave and do that himself. Find out where you would be financially if you split. Work out what you would like to see in terms of childcare split etc. Think long and hard about all of the wonderful things you can do for yourself without him there.

Then take control of the situation. My husband came out with it all 'I'm depressed, don't know if I love you anymore, I'm a border line alcoholic, I need time alone.' So I told him to leave but that I expected him to take the kids so many days a week.

It's scary going it alone. I still can't quite believe I'm doing this. It's early days yet but I already feel so much more happier and free since he has gone. It helps that he hasn't checked out of being a dad. We just both checked out of our relationship a long time ago.

Thanks for your reply- sorry you are going through this.
I need him financially- we both earn equal money and pay half each towards everything including food shopping and childcare.

I couldn't afford our home on my own ='(

OP posts:
Mumma2Ro · 11/07/2023 13:22

DRS1970 · 11/07/2023 13:06

Hi, I just wanted to share that I have Bipolar disorder. And years back when I was really struggling with the depressive side I was offered a 4+ week retreat. Which involved group sessions, one to one sessions, therapeutic activities etc... So I can confirm it is definitely a thing.

Thank you so much!

OP posts:
80s · 11/07/2023 13:24

Was there a period when he was away more, OP?
In my ex's case, the OW's dh found out and they "ended it" for a few months. He was even more miserable in that period.

Do you know what the hearing was about? Was it something that might have made him question his ability to do his job (whether he admits it or not)?

FloydPepper · 11/07/2023 13:25

Hibiscrubbed · 11/07/2023 08:00

I fear you’re clutching at straws. It sounds very much like the script.

So let’s say he’s genuinely not in a great place, a bit down but recognising it and trying to address it. He’s being open.

what could he say that you wouldn’t jump on and assume is a lie? Sometimes men aren’t lying you know…

Alifelessweird · 11/07/2023 13:26

A retreat was recommended for me by a counselor. It’s entirely plausible.

It’s possible for any man, or woman, to be having an affair, but I don’t think what you have outlined suggests this. It all fits with him having a shit time and being depressed.

Hibiscrubbed · 11/07/2023 13:26

FloydPepper · 11/07/2023 13:25

So let’s say he’s genuinely not in a great place, a bit down but recognising it and trying to address it. He’s being open.

what could he say that you wouldn’t jump on and assume is a lie? Sometimes men aren’t lying you know…

I shared my opinion on a public forum, based on my own thoughts and experiences. You’re welcome to do the same.

FloydPepper · 11/07/2023 13:27

theleafandnotthetree · 11/07/2023 13:08

No wonder men are slow to talk about their feelings/admit to depression etc if the first thing to think of at any sign of struggle is an affair. Maybe he is having one but a far more likely scenario is that two key pillars of his identity- his family of origin and his work - have been shaken in a very short space of time and he is struggling with these. We hear lots of talk about men's mental health but that's mostly what it is - talk. When it comes down to it, they are expected to soldier on and STFU.

Spot on.

FloydPepper · 11/07/2023 13:29

Hibiscrubbed · 11/07/2023 13:26

I shared my opinion on a public forum, based on my own thoughts and experiences. You’re welcome to do the same.

Erm, righto

you (and others) are assuming it’s all bollocks and he’s up to no good. I was just wondering if there was anything a bloke could say in his position that you wouldn’t assume is “the script”. I guess not

Badger1970 · 11/07/2023 13:30

I think I'd keep an open mind at this point. Accept what he's telling you, but don't allow him to have you walking round on eggshells and behave poorly towards you. And I would want him to see his GP regardless. I'm not always sure that therapy is good for people - it didn't work for me at all, in fact it made things worse.

Just be on guard. And maybe take some steps to protect yourself in case he is following the script. Your gut is telling you something here.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 11/07/2023 13:34

Get your finances in order including joint accounts and paperwork for Children if you have them

Alifelessweird · 11/07/2023 13:34

theleafandnotthetree · 11/07/2023 13:08

No wonder men are slow to talk about their feelings/admit to depression etc if the first thing to think of at any sign of struggle is an affair. Maybe he is having one but a far more likely scenario is that two key pillars of his identity- his family of origin and his work - have been shaken in a very short space of time and he is struggling with these. We hear lots of talk about men's mental health but that's mostly what it is - talk. When it comes down to it, they are expected to soldier on and STFU.

This.

All the posters saying he is having an affair are ignoring the fact he has been through two life traumas in a short space of time. The way he is behaving is consistent with the impact of that.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/07/2023 13:34

I think this is depression due to events piling on top of each other -

Hibiscrubbed · 11/07/2023 13:34

FloydPepper · 11/07/2023 13:25

So let’s say he’s genuinely not in a great place, a bit down but recognising it and trying to address it. He’s being open.

what could he say that you wouldn’t jump on and assume is a lie? Sometimes men aren’t lying you know…

You’re a male poster, right?