Views on Andrew Tate?

[Uktousa2022]

For those who have actually watched his videos etc. Could you actually be with someone like that?

His neck is the same width as his head.

This man thought that by saying he wouldn't go out on his own, it would be equal/fair and he couldn't be accused of being controlling.

Problem was he had no friends to go out with anyway (one friend who didn't go out separate from his wife).

He had no social life so it was no skin off his nose to not go out/socialise on his own.
It was skin off mine however.

I don't need to be in either a one way or two way jailor and prisoner situation.

When you say you d heard - do you mean from him?

If so, do hes controlling and would try to limit your social life too, so you couldn't go for a drink or a dance or whatever with friends or colleagues (?)
It doesn't surprise me but it's another big issue with him.

Because women get hit on and approached and men don’t

A. Even if true, so what - they have mouths to say "no thanks, not single", right?

B. He must not be very attractive if he thinks ken never get hit on while out socially .. cause Ive seen men getting hit on; usually the more conventionally good looking ones.

Definitely the best comment in this thread lmao.

my woman will be taken care off

Caveman sounding. Not even my wife - respectful and personal - my woman. Like a possession.

Is he going to take care of her like he took care of the ones he boasted about grooming I to sex work, or fake proposed to for a laugh at her expense, or the one who made a rapr allegation against him (was there more than one)?

Yeah, I can imagine they'll be taken care of so respectfully and cherished; that's really coming across there.

It's just some ape chest hitting "my woman!!"

It's BS.

It also depends entirely on the woman being obedient and compliant. They don't think the deal applies if she's not.

men need to die for there family

In what normal circumstances so men need to die for their family??

This is hyperbolic, high drama nonsense.

More ape chest pounding and setting themselves up as a hero.

It's more common for women to need protected from men like this, rather than protected by.

I mean, there are women who want to be tradwives and that's their choice, but even there I fear for any daughters those women might have.

The Andrew Tates of this world think women 'ought' to want to live that way. No thanks, chops.

Tradwifing doesn't really work when you're married to a man who is, or becomes, a cheater (straight or closet gay or bi), beater, emotionally abusive, financially abusive, a gambler, an addict, a sex abuser, seriously depressive, selfush, irresponsible decides he wants to opt out of family life etc. etc.

In the world of AT, the red pill etc - this doesn't happen. All men are high achieving, hard working, high integrity, extremely responsible, reliable, honest, faithful, decent, well adjusted, non sexual degenerate, immune to addictions & depressed etc etc.

In the real world - they are most definitely not.
In fact there is a huge irony in the likes of AT, a man whose behaviour towards women is highly highly dubious ( understatement of the decade) spouting this nonsense.

It's a fake universe, based on fake ideals of men (and women), and a huge amount of (also unrealistic) extreme gender stereotyping.

Simple minds need simple "solutions".

Your hopefully ex bf, op, is one of these simple minds.

He also wants to use this sort of BS philosophy to get the control and dominance he wants over a partner.

@TheoTheopolis23 quite. I find the idea of tradwifing very scary indeed - it's making yourself utterly vulnerable for the dream of a time that never really existed at all.

My late husband had some traditional ideas in the sense that he hated his job, we could have afforded for him to change or go part time, but he felt he couldn't because he was the man and had to be the breadwinner (we both worked full time and earned the same). So he stayed in the job and drank instead, and the alcohol did for our marriage and for him. It's a toxic and destructive ideology.

That's really sad, I'm sorry.

(And rather illogical because he wasn't the bread winner, he was an equal earner in a pair).

@TheoTheopolis23 it really was sad. He was brought up very traditional old school American, his mother didn't work after she got married. And intellectually he knew we were equals and that he was allowed to lean on me, but emotionally he couldn't make himself do it. He would have hated Andrew Tate and his views on women. He knew that the way he felt made no sense. He was still powerless to change it.

This world needs to do better by its men.

Mulling this "philosophy" over - it has parallels with states which remove rights or persuade people to give up rights; in return for provision , protection etc. The protection is against unlikely threats/risks.

Eg.

• Give up your right to equal say in your partnership/self determination.... And I'll provide for you.

But many of these men can't provide for women and kids single handedly in our double or one a half income society on their own. And if the woman didn't have his kids she could provide for herself (and even with kids). He isn't offering anything she can't do gif herself, and he isn't offering anything he shouldn't be doing if she's limited in her working ability due to small kids. And even if he provided "fully" while her contributions were entirely within the realm of home etc.; She still shouldn't have to give up her equal input.

• give up your right to self determination and equal say because I, the man, would die for you and my family.

Well, how very fucking convenient that you're extremely unlikely to ever have to do that. So again, what are you offering that is worth the "deal". We're not living on the US frontier circa 1800 with regular native attacks. In what part of Essex, with trips to Majorca and Disneyland (substitute any typical location) are you likely to be in a life or death family prorection situation on a regular basis? So, in other words, give up your self determination and be a lesser partner in a (non) partnership for some pie in the sky BS made up threat/risk.

@Uktousa2022

Maybe not so much a disguise as such but if you watch more of his videos he every now and then throws in a comment like “women are better than men they can have kids that’s amazing they need to be looked after” and “my woman will be taken care off” and “men need to die for there family” etc etc and the women in the interviews with him seem to fall weak at the knees I mean it clearly does something to them. It’s like the bad guy at school I guess. Then he throws in other comments like men don’t deserve to sleep with you unless they are a 10/10 quality man and can provide you a home, a car, dinner every evening for you and the children blablabla” but again it’s like a prized possession. And in return you must give him a “peaceful” household and look after him emotionally.

So when it's not a 'disguise' it's manipulation. There seem to be a lot of women on this thread and also the BBC interviewer who absolutely do not fall weak at the knees.

Most people grow out of liking the bad guy at school either when they realise he is a bad guy.

There's no such thing as a 10/10 quality man......that's ridiculous. What is the job specification there?

Women can provide their own home, car, dinner.

It's just impossible for me to wonder what it would require to provide a peaceful household for Andrew Tate. One where the trafficked or strangled women don't cry perhaps?

Peaceful means you never question or object to a thing he does, no matter how unfair/inappropriate/unwise/foolish etc.

In ops case, that means smoking loads of weed (he can give up aaany time he wants but also won't change to another for consumption method because that won't get him high (!)).

Also standing by silent while a dog killing dangerous dog is kept around your small dogs and eventually your new born/toddler etc.

I'm sure there's more from this paragon of manly virtue, superb judgement and superiority.

He's a hideous gaslighting shit and I hope he is imprisoned.

The craziest thing is Andrew Tates sister is a lawyer. his dad is a narcissist (shock)
the guy im speaking abouts sister is in the army and the breadwinner in her relationship, point being these men seem to be surrounded by strong women. it must blow the guys mind that his sister is a major in the army because it goes against everything he has been saying. then i get "ok you go to work and be the breadwinner and ill stay home and do nothing" lol

then i get "ok you go to work and be the breadwinner and ill stay home and do nothing" lol

Do you think if he ever grows up, he'll be able to think in a think in anything other than binary??

Like maybe both people contribute in the way that suits them and their eventual family unit best at different times? Does he not realise from looking around him that most families have two working parents, even if one of part-time during their childrens early years?

Funnily enough my chauvanist, controlling ex was also Mr Black & White, polar extremes about everything.

then i get "ok you go to work and be the breadwinner and ill stay home and do nothing" lol

There's nothing "lol" or cute or endearing or attractive about a man who doesn't want to be an equal in the relationship, no matter which partner goes out to work.

Once again, it's not about who goes out to work, it's about equity in the relationship between partners. This is not a concept he - or indeed you - seem to be able to grasp.

Maybe not so much a disguise as such but if you watch more of his videos he every now and then throws in a comment like “women are better than men they can have kids that’s amazing they need to be looked after” and “my woman will be taken care off” and “men need to die for there family” etc
It's the opposite of a disguise. It's him openly, directly saying that women are a man's possession, that they can't look after themselves and need a man to look after them like children. He overtly targets 18-year-olds who are just learning to look after themselves. Becoming independent can be daunting, so they might be tempted by the idea of someone taking over a daddy role. He places "good" (compliant) women on a pedestal in the way a father might idolise a "good" child (daddy's little princess). He targets vulnerable 18-year-olds because well-adjusted mature women are not interested in a golden cage.

Are you going to end the relationship fully with this "man" op?

You know he's not relationship material and you'd like to have kids so time is of the essence.

You can debate this nonsense all day, it won't change anything.

Do you think you can respond with him or change him? From my experience you can't and you won't. Some men are hard wired that way. They never change - they just find a woman ehomoyds up with it for however long she puts up with it.

*reason with him