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Views on Andrew Tate?

222 replies

Uktousa2022 · 07/06/2023 20:48

For those who have actually watched his videos etc. Could you actually be with someone like that?

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TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 10:59

Are you the poster who's doing a trial living period with a man who wants to "look after you" (even though it seems like he can't afford to) in return for you accepting his authority in everything?

He's a weed addict who can apparently stop anytime he wants (but chooses not to) and has kept a dog that's killed another dog around you and your small dogs.

His judgement is fucked but he believes vehemently that he's entitled to a d worthy to be in authority over his partner and potential family.

Some other posters also seemed to be saying a previous post suggested he had been violent too.

I knew his opinions were coming from some MRA red pill chauvanist fucked up nonsense he's taking in, this is just further proof of that.

Youve been advised to leave the "trial" and move back, or to whatever you would like to. If it's the same poster, I'm not sure why you keep staying and asking for people on here to state the obvious.

Do you think he's your last chance for kids or something?

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 08/06/2023 11:13

Tate is a vile misogynistic prick and I wouldn't want to have anything to do with anyone who admired him in any way. My son is in his early 20s and he says his mates all think Tate is an absolute fool, they say it's only stupid little kids that admire him. I wish that were true, unfortunately, a lot of thickie adult males do too. Thankfully most sensible women realise this is a massive red flag and avoid these men at all costs. Maybe you should think about that.

Uktousa2022 · 08/06/2023 11:14

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 08/06/2023 10:53

If someone like him sat next to me on a bus I'd get up and sit somewhere else.

I grew up surrounded by misogynist, aggressive men all of whom were trouble, in trouble, caused trouble and have come to nothing at best and grief at worst in their lives. ALL the women around them were hand rags and treated worse than dirt Animals were to be used or tormented (for laughs) and women were just another animal.

The sense of entitlement was sickening. The underlying inadequacy apparent.

Just the look and sound of him makes my flesh crawl because I recognise those vile men in him.

It is weird though because he disguises it (and quite well) as oh woman are should be put on a pedestal they should not have to work men should provide and protect and pay the bills and the woman should just take care of the house and the kids and listen and be guided by her man - but at what cost? to be a puppet?

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AnorLondo · 08/06/2023 11:15

Tooearlyor · 07/06/2023 20:53

From watching him I think he perhaps has some kind of MH difficulty or some kind of personality disorder alongside possible neurodivergence. He has a very distinct way of speaking and other mannerisms that I’ve seen before in my line of work. At some point something or someone has sparked this off and he’s quite deluded I think and probably has a lot of enablers surrounding him

Oh fuck off. I'm fed up of the "arsehole so must be autistic" narrative that prevaded mumsnet.

Uktousa2022 · 08/06/2023 11:16

catsandkid · 08/06/2023 09:50

Good lord... can't believe I've just read this! And yes, I have seen his posts and watched some content.

You know.... the Hand Maids Tale also thought women should have the role of familial care, be 'feminine' and let the men get on with the work and 'stress'. And all the women in that book/TV series seemed really chuffed with their lot didn't they!

The point of equality here is that it should not be a man's choice to tell women what they want or what their role should be. Some women do opt to be SAHM's in the more caring role and the men go off to work. Other women opt for the total opposite and become the main earner whilst their husband chooses to be SAHD. Its not anyone else's choice but the women in question.

And frankly, I'd rather have my 'non-macho' DH, with his sense of humour, dad-bod and (typically considered) feminine job (primary teacher) instead of some pumped up steroid-addicted Andrew Tate fanatic that reeks of toxic masculinity. I know which man I'd rather have as a role model to my sons.

I think thats a good way of looking at it - the point is they are taking away a womans choice. The men take all the 'stress' and 'protect' the family - I mean even single men would have to go to work though, no? Just seems an excuse to have a women do absolutely everything aside from go to work.

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Uktousa2022 · 08/06/2023 11:18

Sarahtm35 · 08/06/2023 08:24

I don’t think many of the people in the comments have actually watched any of his videos or read any of what he has to say.
i wouldn’t date someone like him because he seems very ‘high maintenance’ however his basic consensus is about teaching men to be
strong, work hard, keep fit, and to be providers to the women in their lives. He also believes in traditional homes with women nurturing and caring for the family and men being the protectors. He believes women shouldn’t have to worry about anything and that it’s their jobs to be the happy feminine element in the relationship and that the man should take on all the stress and worry.
I personally don’t see how his ideas about life are wrong and I do think equality has absolutely corroded and destroyed families and relationships.
I also think people don’t get how social media works, if he has said anything shocking it’s usually just tongue in cheek meant to shock so as to gain attention so people listen to what other things he has to say.

Hmm but wouldn't single men have to go to work and pay his own bills anyway? Are they really doing it 'for the family' and comparing it to going to war and dying for the family (which some do) seems very extreme. Its lovely that he says men should carry the stress and women need to be the piece and support and love at home - but I question at what cost this comes at. It sounds more like a systamatic set up - not a loving relationship

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HeyAliceYoucool · 08/06/2023 11:20

My nephews said he is misrepresented by the media and that he is quite inspiring to the next generation of young men.

I was shocked! They are naice intelligent lads, from a liberal and stable family background.

They insisted he makes a lot of sense to guys their age and he ’gets it’. Where have we gone wrong??

HeyAliceYoucool · 08/06/2023 11:20

*nice… Typo !

AgnesX · 08/06/2023 11:22

Sarahtm35 · 08/06/2023 08:24

I don’t think many of the people in the comments have actually watched any of his videos or read any of what he has to say.
i wouldn’t date someone like him because he seems very ‘high maintenance’ however his basic consensus is about teaching men to be
strong, work hard, keep fit, and to be providers to the women in their lives. He also believes in traditional homes with women nurturing and caring for the family and men being the protectors. He believes women shouldn’t have to worry about anything and that it’s their jobs to be the happy feminine element in the relationship and that the man should take on all the stress and worry.
I personally don’t see how his ideas about life are wrong and I do think equality has absolutely corroded and destroyed families and relationships.
I also think people don’t get how social media works, if he has said anything shocking it’s usually just tongue in cheek meant to shock so as to gain attention so people listen to what other things he has to say.

Are you being tongue in cheek? Do you really agree with that guff?

TheHandmaiden · 08/06/2023 11:30

@HeyAliceYoucool - then they aren't that naice are they?

Tate is aggressive. He talks about violence and is apparently violent himself. Young men or indeed any man who says he's a role model is really giving themselves permission to be violent or think in that way.

Stable man understand that they control themselves. Inadequate people look to control others.

OrangeAutumn · 08/06/2023 11:30

I assume boys who like him always viewed women as sub human, support beings.

I assume women are innocent or are suicidal if they go near a rotten scank man whore.

A woman said that she lost consciousness and came back with him pumping away inside her like a blow up doll after he strangled her, he sounds like he has ejaculation addiction issues on top of others.

OooYoureHard · 08/06/2023 11:31

He thinks all women are weak, reliant on men financially and incapable of being independent.

I would LOVE to see him sit down with J K Rowling.

TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 11:32

"Andrew Tate once called his sexually explicit webcam business a “total scam” and boasted on his website that he lured women in by getting them to fall in love with him. The 36-year-old influencer also boasted on a podcast that he broke a woman’s jaw in a bar fight and “got away with it.”"

I think I'd pass on Andrew Tate's style of "looking after" women.

TheHandmaiden · 08/06/2023 11:33

@OrangeAutumn - then he's a criminal sex offender who needs prison

OrangeAutumn · 08/06/2023 11:33

TheHandmaiden · 08/06/2023 11:30

@HeyAliceYoucool - then they aren't that naice are they?

Tate is aggressive. He talks about violence and is apparently violent himself. Young men or indeed any man who says he's a role model is really giving themselves permission to be violent or think in that way.

Stable man understand that they control themselves. Inadequate people look to control others.

The way he talks reminds me of someone I knew and you see it on TOWIE, really fast, aggressive with a frown. There is something wrong with people like that. If his Dad has a NPD dx, that would explain many things.

TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 11:34

He's a nut job.

If only he'd had an accident in the MMA ring - or whatever tf it was he did - instead of women around him having "accidents" with their bones.

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 08/06/2023 11:35

OP plans to move herself and her two dogs to america to be impregnated by a killer pitbull owning thick-as-shite misogynist she met in September.🥴

TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 11:37

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 08/06/2023 11:35

OP plans to move herself and her two dogs to america to be impregnated by a killer pitbull owning thick-as-shite misogynist she met in September.🥴

It's ok.

He's going to "look after her" and that makes her feel all fuzzy.

So far his "looking after her" exhaling weed smoke, refusing to re-home his dog killing dog (and she had two all dogs), saying he plans to have it around their kids (because it will know them from birth and therefore be safe around them), and outlining how she's to respect and defer to him. He also appears to be telling her they can't actually afford for her to give up work.

OrangeAutumn · 08/06/2023 11:38

Inadequate people look to control others.

Many influencer types are inadequate, you see it with politicians too, they have no control of themselves, they seem to lack an inner voice like a normal person that helps you regulate and everything they say about others is actually about them.

TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 11:38

*and she has two small dogs

TheHandmaiden · 08/06/2023 11:40

Controlling people are inadequate end of. Tate is one of those, and so are his fans. They will use their physical strength to push women about.

It's so simple that you can see it from SPACE

TheoTheopolis23 · 08/06/2023 11:40

Op are you still there with him?

How many hundreds of posts advising you to leave do you want?

Why do you keep starting threads about aspects of his beliefs without giving the very relevant background about his behaviour and circumstances?

We can't come and remove you from his apartment or whatever in the US? What do you want us to do.

Literally noone has said they think you should stay in a relationship with him.

TheHandmaiden · 08/06/2023 11:41

OrangeAutumn · 08/06/2023 11:38

Inadequate people look to control others.

Many influencer types are inadequate, you see it with politicians too, they have no control of themselves, they seem to lack an inner voice like a normal person that helps you regulate and everything they say about others is actually about them.

Yes they are. What normal person would bother to do this?

monsteramunch · 08/06/2023 11:45

HeyAliceYoucool · 08/06/2023 11:20

My nephews said he is misrepresented by the media and that he is quite inspiring to the next generation of young men.

I was shocked! They are naice intelligent lads, from a liberal and stable family background.

They insisted he makes a lot of sense to guys their age and he ’gets it’. Where have we gone wrong??

They might be 'naice' but their beliefs definitely aren't actually nice. If they were from a rougher background and shared those same beliefs I bet you'd think they were little arseholes. Middle class misogynists are still misogynists.

Uktousa2022 · 08/06/2023 11:48

I’m staying with my brother who lives 30 minutes from him after the advice from the posters.

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