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Would you have set this boundary?

219 replies

GeekyGirl42 · 10/05/2023 23:54

I’ve recently got with someone who sometimes age regresses. When this happens, they make lots of childish noises and speak with a childish voice and use baby speak. I don’t wish to change this, however, when I’m tired or first thing in the morning (and also before my ADHD meds kick in) this can be overstimulating for me and I end up finding it hard to behave reasonably because I’m feeling really irritated. Otherwise I just ignore the behaviour and carry on interacting with them as an adult (but avoiding anything sexual).

I’ve explained how this, in terms of my limitation being that I can get irritable when this is happening first thing in the morning and when I’m tired in the evening. I’ve asked whether we could find a way to redirect this behaviour without it making them feel rejected.

They’ve expressed disappointment that I couldn’t be more accepting, and we’ve decided to think about it more and talk again at the weekend. Would you say I’ve been unreasonable here? Have you had any experience of this?

OP posts:
Aishah231 · 12/05/2023 06:33

If they can control themselves at work etc then it's not a condition it's a choice.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 12/05/2023 07:03

I have never come across this before.

I would not be able to stand it from my sexual partner. No way. No how.

00100001 · 12/05/2023 08:05

Aishah231 · 12/05/2023 06:33

If they can control themselves at work etc then it's not a condition it's a choice.

Bit people with autism/anxiety etc all can control/mask in some situations and have to decompress at home.

So it's not entirely fair to suggest it's a choice this woman is making.

GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 08:18

@00100001 I agree with this. I guess if that’s the case then we are just incompatible.

OP posts:
GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 08:20

What isn’t ok is them trying to talk me out of having the boundary and trying to get me to guilt trip. We either find a way to redirect this when when it’s too much, or I’m out.

OP posts:
PaintedEgg · 12/05/2023 08:25

00100001 · 12/05/2023 08:05

Bit people with autism/anxiety etc all can control/mask in some situations and have to decompress at home.

So it's not entirely fair to suggest it's a choice this woman is making.

but they could do it at other times - not when their partner just woke up or is getting ready to sleep.

besides, this sort of behaviour is not a "stim", someone in this thread even had a first hand experience of it and explained that she went to therapy for it.

it is something one CAN control and most importantly - find ways to treat (therapy for example).

We wouldn't advise an alcoholic to just keep on drinking because it helps them "relax" and "decompress" at home, just like you would not advise someone with OCD to indulge their obsessions and compulsions. The point is to control or ideally get rid of maladaptive behaviour unless someone actually enjoys them

In which case...nah, it's not a condition. It's something they just like to do.

00100001 · 12/05/2023 08:25

Ditch the woman. If it's early and already hard work...fuck that

PaintedEgg · 12/05/2023 08:26

GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 08:20

What isn’t ok is them trying to talk me out of having the boundary and trying to get me to guilt trip. We either find a way to redirect this when when it’s too much, or I’m out.

And that's fair - it may well be that this behaviour does not bother your partner and they don't want to change it in which case fine, you're just not compatible.

00100001 · 12/05/2023 08:27

PaintedEgg · 12/05/2023 08:25

but they could do it at other times - not when their partner just woke up or is getting ready to sleep.

besides, this sort of behaviour is not a "stim", someone in this thread even had a first hand experience of it and explained that she went to therapy for it.

it is something one CAN control and most importantly - find ways to treat (therapy for example).

We wouldn't advise an alcoholic to just keep on drinking because it helps them "relax" and "decompress" at home, just like you would not advise someone with OCD to indulge their obsessions and compulsions. The point is to control or ideally get rid of maladaptive behaviour unless someone actually enjoys them

In which case...nah, it's not a condition. It's something they just like to do.

I'm just saying that sometimes people are able to cope in public.d

I am not convinced that this woman is genuine, she sounds like a manipulative cow tbh

PaintedEgg · 12/05/2023 08:32

@00100001 well, if someone can control themselves in public but not for 30 min when their partner gets a coffee and meds then it is still poor effort :/

SmileyClare · 12/05/2023 08:36

I think if an adult is “age regressing” unconsciously then it’s caused by a mental disorder - schizophrenia, dissociative state, personality disorder or dementia.
I doubt that is the case here?

Age regression is quite common in children and usually a result of stress, trauma or jealousy of a younger sibling.

In children that can be managed with care, love and attention and essentially ignoring or not engaging with the “baby talk” or behaviours such as tantrums or whining, babbling etc.
A child then grows out of the habit and learns more mature ways to communicate and gain attention.

In adults it’s different and the cause needs to be established and treated.

Behaving like a baby (on purpose) is a defence mechanism- a way to avoid adult emotions and adult interaction. Possibly as a way to cope with deep insecurities or fears, or PTSD.

Op- I think you’re trying to “resolve” this issue by adopting the approach you would with a child; you’re giving your partner care, love and understanding and attempting to ignore and not engage when they’re in baby mode. You’re trying not to “reward” the behaviour.

However, your partner is an adult, they won’t “grow out” of this, even if you insist they avoid doing it: (you’re calling this your boundary)

Quite frankly, they have no intention of addressing the issues causing them to behave like a toddler.
They are putting their enjoyment of acting like a baby as priority.
This is all under a guise of “this is ME- you have to accept it because you love ME”
Red flags all over that one!

Do not fall into the trap of thinking you can be a saviour here. I’ve no doubt you feel deeply sympathetic of the issues you’re partner has and want to approach this kindly.

However, you’re entering into an extremely unhealthy relationship dynamic by doing this.

SmileyClare · 12/05/2023 08:53

Also if they are in “baby mode” first thing every morning it WILL tip over into your sexual relationship.

Apart from anything else, I would not feel at all physically attracted to a person infantilising themselves and expecting me to find it “cute” or whatever. 🫤

Naunet · 12/05/2023 08:57

God I’ve never been so happy to be middle aged. All of this would be a massive tun off for me and I can’t stand the self indulgent tiktok wank.

Just end it for god sake, you don’t have to tolerate creepy behaviour, no matter how inclusive or whatever you think you need to be, and please stop fooling yourself that this is involuntary, it’s not. They wouldn’t be a qualified mental health professional if it was involuntary.

GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 09:02

@SmileyClare I think you are right. It feels like I’m playing the role of parent sometimes, and what causes arguments typically is when I reject that. I got accused of gaslighting the other day when I said that I couldn’t see what I could do to make them feel better about something I couldn’t understand.

Frankly, after 15 years of parenting my daughter, and as a single parent with full responsibility for the last 8 of those, I am not up for that.

OP posts:
SmileyClare · 12/05/2023 09:19

GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 09:02

@SmileyClare I think you are right. It feels like I’m playing the role of parent sometimes, and what causes arguments typically is when I reject that. I got accused of gaslighting the other day when I said that I couldn’t see what I could do to make them feel better about something I couldn’t understand.

Frankly, after 15 years of parenting my daughter, and as a single parent with full responsibility for the last 8 of those, I am not up for that.

I’m glad you’re able to see it from that angle op.

I think you’re right- you’re falling (or being nudged by your partner) into an odd parent/ child dynamic here. That’s spilling over into all areas of your relationship.

Please don’t be persuaded or guilt tripped into thinking your feelings are not valid.
The way you’re feeling and reacting to this is not unkind or “non inclusive” as pp says above!

This sort of dynamic is not healthy and it’s not of your choosing. X

SmileyClare · 12/05/2023 09:36

Some of the comments and behaviours you describe point towards some sort of personality disorder in your partner?

Im not using that to excuse your dp, but have a look at the symptoms of BDP caused by childhood trauma:

relationships are intense, involving gas lighting and selfish behaviours, an inability to see things from another person’s perspective and extreme reactions if they think you’re invalidating their views or feelings, highly sensitive to their own emotions but lacking understanding of other’s emotions.

I don’t know your set up as a couple but if you want to split up, this person may take this “abandonment” extremely badly.

Of course this is all conjecture ( and certainly not a reason for you to put up with undesirable behaviours) but it might be worth considering how best to handle a separation for you and your daughter’s sake.

CurlewKate · 12/05/2023 10:02

@SmileyClare "I don’t know your set up as a couple but if you want to split up, this person may take this “abandonment” extremely badly."

This is absolutely not the OP's responsibility. Please don't imply that it is.

SmileyClare · 12/05/2023 10:15

@CurlewKate yeah I agree! I think I worded that really badly.
I suppose I meant - prepare for a separation to be messy, involving further attempts at guilt tripping and manipulation.

Forewarned is forearmed so to speak.

A bit like the advice given when splitting from an abusive partner- plan ahead, don’t drag it out, ask for support from friends or family, sometimes it’s advised to have a “break up” conversation in public or on neutral ground with an escape strategy if it all gets too intense?

Perhaps I’m being a bit dramatic and op’s partner will be fine and adult about splitting up.

PoseyFlump · 12/05/2023 12:48

I have this condition whereby I involuntarily kick my leg out and boot my DP up the arse. He accepts it as part of my identity. Fortunately, it only happens at home and not at work (because I don't want to get the sack)

SirChenjins · 12/05/2023 13:29

PoseyFlump · 12/05/2023 12:48

I have this condition whereby I involuntarily kick my leg out and boot my DP up the arse. He accepts it as part of my identity. Fortunately, it only happens at home and not at work (because I don't want to get the sack)

😂

What are your pronouns?

callmeblondee · 12/05/2023 13:56

I would like to think I am tolerant but actually reading this I realize I am not. Absolutely no way could I deal with this especially if I felt it was volutary to any degree. walk away, dating is meant to be fun isnt it. This sounds so draining.

TomatoSandwiches · 12/05/2023 15:24

Sorry op, they sound so manipulative, in what way are you gaslighting them, if anything they are guilty of that.

I am actually really concerned that someone like this I working with vulnerable people.

NettleTea · 12/05/2023 16:25

i think that @SmileyClare has the measure of this. OPs partner very much embraces this childhood regression, so much so that it forms part of their identity - ie is a big part of who they are.
Whatever else may be going on, they seem to be enjoying this, whilst demanding that OP indulges them in it, and not being prepared to offer equal understanding that OP cannot tolerate it (you dont say if this behaviour also happens at other times, when you are happy to 'play along')

GeekyGirl42 · 12/05/2023 23:24

You are all so kind with your responses. Tells you something when pretty much all the posts agree with eachother

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Cherrysoup · 13/05/2023 09:23

Wtaf? Age regresses? Utter shite, they don’t do it at work, it’s therefore a choice. Just no. This would make me run away.